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Crescent loosing time south of Atlanta until about Aug 7 then mostly on time.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, January 4, 2019 12:42 PM

There is some kind of  problem for the whole NS Crescent route.  Noticed that many days both 19 and 20 has not exceeded 60 MPH between CLT ( Gastonia )  and Atlanta. That has caused both north and south bound Crescents to constantly loose 30 - 45 minutes between  CLT and ATL. Now this alert today has come out.  Anyone with more info ?

 

Crescent Train 20 which departed New Orleans (NOL) on 1/3 is currently operating about 4 hr 25 min late due to Railroad congestion and speed restrictions along the route.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, January 1, 2019 5:06 PM

Crescent #20 / 31 latest train system wide again.  Arrived 3:59 late NYP.  NS arrived it 4:14 at WASH.   1:07 late at  Atlanta.  North of ATL getting worse.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, December 28, 2018 1:18 PM

Weather cancellations south of BHM today!  Guess 19 will turn to 20 somtime today/

 

Service Alert: Crescent Train 20 scheduled to depart New Orleans (NOL) on 12/28 is now canceled between NOL and Birmingham (BHM) due to severe weather in the area causing unforeseen track work on the host railroad. Alternate bus transportation will be provided between NOL & BHM.

 

Service Alert: Crescent Train 19 that departed New York (NYP) on 12/27 will terminate in Birmingham (BHM) due to severe weather in the area causing unforeseen track work on the host railroad. Alternate bus transportation will be provided between BHM and New Orleans (NOL).

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, December 24, 2018 10:17 PM

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Here it is  2230  Christmas eve and the latest train system wide is #19/23 going toward NOL at over 3:30.  No other trains are over 2 hours late. Guess what 19/24 has lost 1:20 WASH - '''''charlottesville.  Only 3 other Amtrak trains ( That is all trains LD, SD, NEC  ) are more than 1:00 but less than 1:30 late.(14,6,91 )  NS a big fat pew !  Note NS has allways been my favorite RR but ==============

My understanding is the CSX is shutting down most all freight operations from 0700 Dec. 24 to 0700 Dec. 26.  There should be very little if any CSX freight train interference to Amtrak over the holiday.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, December 24, 2018 9:51 PM

Here it is  2230  Christmas eve and the latest train system wide is #19/23 going toward NOL at over 3:30.  No other trains are over 2 hours late. Guess what 19/24 has lost 1:20 WASH - '''''charlottesville.  Only 3 other Amtrak trains ( That is all trains LD, SD, NEC  ) are more than 1:00 but less than 1:30 late.(14,6,91 )  NS a big fat pew !  Note NS has allways been my favorite RR but ==============

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, December 24, 2018 9:22 AM

Again #19/23  &  #20/23  are only  Amtrak LD trains more than 3 hours late as of 1020 Monday morning.   What is it with NS?

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, December 23, 2018 2:14 PM

Here it is Christmas week and 2 out of the three LD trains late are #19 /22 and #20/22 more than 3 hours.  Now is getting stabbed both north and south of ATL. The results on this link show black for trains more than 3 hours late that travel 550+ miles.

https://asm.transitdocs.com/map 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, December 21, 2018 1:55 AM

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 Sofware delays is sounding like PTC data issues and potentially line of road data issues.

 

 
Palmetto also took delays.

Update: Palmetto Train 89/20 is currently operating about 2hr 15min late due to earlier host railroad software issues throughout the route and a vehicle blocking the tracks at Florence (FLO). Please check or our mobile app for additional status updates.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:58 PM

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Well # 19 lost another hour at Howell CP.  This may be another CSX problem note this 3 alerts from Amtrak .Since the Star operates mostly on CSX pprobably their problem. 

 Crescent Train 19 which departed New York (NYP) on 12/19 is currently operating about 1 hr 44 min late due to Norfolk Southern Freight Train interference and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 Silver Star Train 92 which departed Miami (MIA) on 12/19 is currently operating about 2 hr 56 min late due to Railroad congestion and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 Silver Star Train 91 which departed New York (NYP) on 12/19 is currently operating about 2 hr 36 min late due to Railroad congestion and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 EDIT  Note Stars did not take delays on their NS portions.

Sofware delays is sounding like PTC data issues and potentially line of road data issues.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, December 20, 2018 3:13 PM

Well # 19 lost another hour at Howell CP.  This may be another CSX problem note this 3 alerts from Amtrak .Since the Star operates mostly on CSX pprobably their problem. 

 

Crescent Train 19 which departed New York (NYP) on 12/19 is currently operating about 1 hr 44 min late due to Norfolk Southern Freight Train interference and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 

Silver Star Train 92 which departed Miami (MIA) on 12/19 is currently operating about 2 hr 56 min late due to Railroad congestion and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 

Silver Star Train 91 which departed New York (NYP) on 12/19 is currently operating about 2 hr 36 min late due to Railroad congestion and host Railroad software issues along the route.

 EDIT  Note Stars did not take delays on their NS portions.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, December 15, 2018 9:34 PM

Crescent #19 lost 3 hours today ATL - Anniston then hit a car just south of BHM .  Now 9 hours late with best NOL 8 hours late of 0330 AM.

http://www.wbrc.com/2018/12/16/killed-birmingham-train-accident/

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, December 14, 2018 10:54 PM

Just to keep things in turmoil.  Not all NS delays are on 29 and 49,  Crescent 1:37 late at ATL.  =======   now.

 

Update: Crescent Train 19 that departed New York (NYP) on 12/13 is currently operating about 6hr 17min late due to freight train congestion, signal issues, speed restrictions and mechanical issues along the route south of Washington (WAS).

 

Now even if no more delays # 20 tomorrow will leave NOL late due to crew turn HOS ! Note # 19 leftCLT just 19 minutes late.

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:48 PM

As of 10:00 PM  2200 Crescents operating today are all in the red or black as not on time 20 aarrived NYP 5+ hours late.  Only other  late  LD is #1.  Even Empire all trains in  green with #8 arriving today early into CHI.

It is again NS  snafu !!!

  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, November 24, 2018 10:43 AM

#20       6+ hours late in VA.

And now crew ran out of HOS so crew had to van down to LYH

 

Crescent Train 20 which departed New Orleans (NOL) on 11/23 is currently operating about 6 hours late due to freight train interference north of Tuscaloosa (TCL). Please check for updates.

 

Crescent Train 20 which departed  New Orleans (NOL) on 11/23 is currently stopped in Lynchburg (LYH) for unforeseen crew changes. More information to come

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, November 23, 2018 9:23 PM

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NS has been trying to run the Crescent on PTC for the past several weeks.  I know at least one day, it make a huge mess of the Piedmont Div.  The cell networks couldn't keep up with the data updates to be uploaded to the Amtrak train en route.  Apparently, one train without good route data stops everything.  

Don't know if this is ongoing problem or not.

Usually, route data for a trip is uploaded over WiFi at origin terminal.  With Amtrak, apparently they upload just enough to get rolling and are supposed to do the rest while en route.

Is 'short routing' PTC a NS operating strategy or Amtraks response to some other NS PTC operating strategy?

When I retired in my area of responsibility, CSX had only made PTC operational on dark territories and PTC managed the limits of the authorities as well as Main Track Switch positions.  Operations had not been started on signalled territory.

If multiple radio communications are required between the 'back room' and the train for every switch and signal on a route - and there are multiple trains operating on a line at the same time - there COULD be quite at bit of 'radio overload' on the assigned radio channels.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, November 23, 2018 7:05 PM

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While the train is moving along the ROW via the cell network (AT&T and Verizon)

I thought part of the problem was that all the updating 'transactions' had to confirm before the system would let the train move safely.

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 23, 2018 7:01 PM

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Don thanks for the explanation ! One thought.  Is the updating happening on just a crew change or with a same crew ?  Just another reason that Amtrak does not seem to care about LD trains ?

 

While the train is moving along the ROW via the cell network (AT&T and Verizon)

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 23, 2018 11:37 AM

Don thanks for the explanation ! One thought.  Is the updating happening on just a crew change or with a same crew ?  Just another reason that Amtrak does not seem to care about LD trains ?

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Posted by oltmannd on Friday, November 23, 2018 11:05 AM

NS has been trying to run the Crescent on PTC for the past several weeks.  I know at least one day, it make a huge mess of the Piedmont Div.  The cell networks couldn't keep up with the data updates to be uploaded to the Amtrak train en route.  Apparently, one train without good route data stops everything.  

Don't know if this is ongoing problem or not.

Usually, route data for a trip is uploaded over WiFi at origin terminal.  With Amtrak, apparently they upload just enough to get rolling and are supposed to do the rest while en route.

 

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Posted by PJS1 on Friday, November 23, 2018 10:07 AM

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Does it appear that Amtrak ( Anderson ) does not care and is not complaining about these delays ?  Crescent is only train other than a #2 Sunset that is extremely late.  These lates are getting worse ! 

Based on a randomly selected five dates in October and early November, the Texas Eagle, No. 21 averaged 1 hour, 55 minutes late into San Antonio, which means that it is getting into the Almo City near midnight. 

No 21 that departed Chicago on November 19th and was due in San Antonio at 9:55 pm on November 20th did not arrive in the Alamo City until 9:19 am, November 21st.  

Imagine you are planning to meet a family member that is supposed to arrive in San Antonio at 9:55 pm, only to find out that she will not arrive until 9:19 the following morning.  She will not be happy.  And neither will you!  Never again is likely to be your mutual refrain!

I don't know whether Anderson  cares.  But it may not make any difference.  The freight carriers that host Amtrak's long distance trains hold all the cards.  And as long as they do, they will prioritize their money making trains over Amtrak's money losing long-distance trains. 

As reported in other threads, Amtrak does not pay the fully allocated cost of hosting its passenger trains.  So why should the freight carriers go out of their way to see that Amtrak's trains are kept to their schedule? 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 23, 2018 9:31 AM

follow up # 20/22  was 5:45 late at ATL additional loss till GAS then made up :30 to GRO and now lost more according to Amtrak.  Only @:09 lost on the attached delay notice between TCL and BHM.

 

UPDATE: Crescent Train 20 which departed New Orleans (NOL) on 11/22 is currently operating about 6 hr 11 min late due to an earlier crossing incident south of Birmingham (BHM) and additional Freight Train interference along the route.

 

Does it appear that Amtrak ( Anderson ) does not care and is not complaining about these delays ?  Crescent is only train other than a #2 Sunset that is extremely late.  These lates are getting worse !

Persons that in past to use Crescent to get to WASH at an early day time cannot anymore depend on it other than being 2 - 4 hours late. 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Thursday, November 22, 2018 8:43 PM

Crescent 20/22 out of NOL already 4:30+ late at Birmingham.  No  more alerts today as alerts shut down for holiday

 

Crescent Train 20 that departed New Orleans (NOL) on 11/22 is currently operating about 2hr 26min late due to earlier mechanical issues, speed restrictions and freight train interference between NOL and Meridian (MEI).

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 16, 2018 11:23 AM

20/15  delayed ! 5:50 into ATL last night further delays.

 

UPDATE: Crescent Train 20(15) is currently operating about 6 hr 11 min late due to additional Freight Train interference along the route. Please check or our mobile app for status updates.

 

Maybe NS knows something about Amtrak not citing NS for extreme delays ? ?

 

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Posted by Overmod on Saturday, November 10, 2018 6:22 AM

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For those who want to know a detailed description of the Howell CP go to the following link. You will have to page down many pages to appendix "D" Looking at the diagrams the many possibilities of delay to the Crescent will become apparent. http://www.dot.ga.gov/InvestSmart/Rail/Documents/StateRailPlan/StateRailPlan-Appendices-2015.pdf#search=appendix%20d%20rail%20plan%2A

These are D3 and D4, pages 116 and 117 (of 195) in the PDF if you want to go directly to them.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Saturday, November 10, 2018 1:41 AM

October appeared to be getting better but there has been a decline this month .  For Friday 19 got to NOL 5:30+ hours late and 20 scheduled now to arrive ATL 0330 or later. 7 + hours late.  Note 20 did leave NOL 3 + hours late.  Emphasis on later !

Estimated CLT 0800 or later .  Will miss connection to Carolinian train 80.

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, October 5, 2018 8:26 PM

Among all the lines that entered Atlanta, only one was constructed to run through Atlanta--the East Tennessee Virginia and Georgia's line that connected its line into Rome with the Macon and Brunswick--in 1882.

The Georgia RR was the first into Atlanta, about 1834, and the W&A began in 1836. Thus, the W&A (now operated by CSX) was the first line through Howell. The Georgia Western, which became the east end of the Georgia Pacific (Atlanta to Greenville, Miississippi), was chartered in 1854, and apparently was the first road to cross the W&A.

The Atlanta and Richmond Airline, which eventually became  part of the Southern, began in Atlanta by 1871.

The Georgia, Carolina, & Northern (which became a part of SAL) reached Inman Park (on the GaR) in 1892.

Other roads have less, if any, conflict with the W&A and Howell.

I understand that when the GaRR was planned, the planners wanted to stop in Decatur--but the city fathers said "No you don't stop here"--so the west end was set about six miles further on, and was called, at first, "Terminus."

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, October 5, 2018 4:27 PM

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 All the carriers that entered Atlanta viewed the city as their Terminal when they were creating themselves.  When you are a end point you don't engineer rights of way for through movement, and none of the carriers did, when the land was available to do it.  Atlanta and the South itself grew and the carriers become land locked with just interchange routes between each carriers terminal yards.

While the NS nowadays gets screwed by CSX, the layout of CSX tracks in Atlanta causes CSX to screw itself frequently as well.  NS also screws CSX when train use the NS trackage to Eastpoint.

 

 
Sou RR might have been the one exception with several thru routes.  However until the mid 80s SOU / NS only ran a very few thru trains that did not exchange or terminate at ATL's Inman yard.
 
CSX does get screwed on the NS ( Cof GA route ) to East Point as only A&WP used those trackage rights until CSX.  2 freights and 2 pasenger trains.  Now CSX uses that route for almost all its trains to Machester / JAX, Montgomery, & Birmingham.  Only when that route is congested / blocked will CSX use the Fulton by pass ( ACL ) at Tilford yard.
 
One fairly cheaper option that could improve problems slightly would be for CSX & NS to combine their each 2 main tracks from Howell to downtown ATL as a 4 track main with the necessary universal cross overs  north of downtown and south of Howell.  That could decrease the congestion between those two points. It would eliminate completely NS Piedmont trains to Macon from Howell interferrence.
Then south of downtown the 4 main tracks of NS could continue  until the old SOU rr line break out.  3 and 4 main tracks go on to East Point.
 
Combining all ATL are trackage under one central dispatch might improve things as well but no one wants to play nice,
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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, October 5, 2018 3:14 PM

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Maybe Atlanta needs its own equivalent of Chicago's CREATE project. 

That is exactly what will be needed.  There cannot ever be a reliable commuter rail service from the north of Atlanta until Howell is mitigated. There are 7 different potential commuter rail  routes from the north that all converge going thru  Howell,  That certainly seems to be cause for a need for flyovers and possibly more tracks thru, over, and under Howell CP.  That would be more complicated than even Zoo !  

All the carriers that entered Atlanta viewed the city as their Terminal when they were creating themselves.  When you are a end point you don't engineer rights of way for through movement, and none of the carriers did, when the land was available to do it.  Atlanta and the South itself grew and the carriers become land locked with just interchange routes between each carriers terminal yards.

While the NS nowadays gets screwed by CSX, the layout of CSX tracks in Atlanta causes CSX to screw itself frequently as well.  NS also screws CSX when train use the NS trackage to Eastpoint.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, October 5, 2018 3:03 PM

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Maybe Atlanta needs its own equivalent of Chicago's CREATE project.

 
That is exactly what will be needed.  There cannot ever be a reliable commuter rail service from the north of Atlanta until Howell is mitigated. There are 7 different potential commuter rail  routes from the north that all converge at varous locations and go thru  Howell,  That certainly seems to be cause for a need for flyovers and possibly more tracks thru, over, and under Howell CP.  That would be more complicated than even Zoo !  
Then  of course there are the same freight routes thru Howell ( just 6 )
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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Friday, October 5, 2018 2:32 PM

Maybe Atlanta needs its own equivalent of Chicago's CREATE project.

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