JPS1 Miningman Wanswheel-Incredible links in your postings...what a read! Kudo's What do the photos of President Trump's Florida estate have to do with Amtrak's long distance trains? No, I am not a Trump fan. I did not vote for him or any of the other Presidential candidates in 2016.
Miningman Wanswheel-Incredible links in your postings...what a read! Kudo's
Wanswheel-Incredible links in your postings...what a read! Kudo's
What do the photos of President Trump's Florida estate have to do with Amtrak's long distance trains?
No, I am not a Trump fan. I did not vote for him or any of the other Presidential candidates in 2016.
Henry M. Flagler building the FEC and the opening of Florida to tourism and high roller vacation residences (including some of his own).
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
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wanswheelNo spur. One road. Much water. https://cotedetexas.blogspot.com/2017/02/mar-lago-before-after-of-new-winter.html
https://cotedetexas.blogspot.com/2017/02/mar-lago-before-after-of-new-winter.html
Building bridges is easy, just like health care.
No spur. One road. Much water.
wanswheel Excerpt from Historic American Buildings Survey (1967) http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/item/fl0181/ Henry M. Flagler, the man almost solely responsible for developing the resort economy of the State, introduced the Spanish Revival to Florida. In 1884, he sent the fledgling architects, John Carrere and Thomas Hastings, to Spain for two years to gather impressions and ideas before beginning the design of the Ponce de Leon Hotel in St. Augustine. Flagler's commission launched an important architectural firm and established a style that was to dominate Florida resort architecture. Palm Beach was the most exclusive of the Florida resort communities in the early 20th century. Addison Mizner made the Spanish Revival style de rigueur for palatial building there. For their wealthy clients, he and Marion Sims Wyeth designed numerous Mediterranean villas with patios to take advantage of the winter sun and spacious rooms for lavish entertaining. Mar-a-Lago is one of the grandest of these mansions and is the only one still resided in by the original owner. All of its elaborate decoration and fine furnishings remain intact. It is still surrounded by its landscaped grounds including a golf course on the shores of Lake Worth and a bathing beach on the Atlantic Ocean. Together the house and grounds provide an excellent picture of winter resort life in Palm Beach prior to the Depression… The site, the style, and a large amount of the decor was personally chosen by Marjorie Merriweather Post (then Mrs. Edward F. Hutton), who had the house built. After searching the area south of Worth Avenue for many months with her agent, Lytle Hull, Mrs. Post found a property which was suitable for the construction of the kind of residence she wanted. The property, overgrown with lush vegetation, consisted of approximately seventeen acres on a coral reef located between the Atlantic Ocean and Lake Worth, The reef provided a firm base for the house which was anchored to it with concrete and steel, and has withstood hurricanes and heavy tropical storms over the years. The name Mar-a-Lago means between sea and lake. https://books.google.com/books?id=nT3fAAAAQBAJ&pg=PR18&dq=%22the+east+coast+railway+line+reached+west+palm+beach+in+1894%22+mar-a-lago&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJmLjo45zTAhXKjFQKHZ8DDjoQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20east%20coast%20railway%20line%20reached%20west%20palm%20beach%20in%201894%22%20mar-a-lago&f=true http://www.chapelhillrail.com/history.html
Excerpt from Historic American Buildings Survey (1967)
http://www.loc.gov/pictures/collection/hh/item/fl0181/
Henry M. Flagler, the man almost solely responsible for developing the resort economy of the State, introduced the Spanish Revival to Florida. In 1884, he sent the fledgling architects, John Carrere and Thomas Hastings, to Spain for two years to gather impressions and ideas before beginning the design of the Ponce de Leon Hotel in St. Augustine. Flagler's commission launched an important architectural firm and established a style that was to dominate Florida resort architecture.
Palm Beach was the most exclusive of the Florida resort communities in the early 20th century. Addison Mizner made the Spanish Revival style de rigueur for palatial building there. For their wealthy clients, he and Marion Sims Wyeth designed numerous Mediterranean villas with patios to take advantage of the winter sun and spacious rooms for lavish entertaining. Mar-a-Lago is one of the grandest of these mansions and is the only one still resided in by the original owner. All of its elaborate decoration and fine furnishings remain intact. It is still surrounded by its landscaped grounds including a golf course on the shores of Lake Worth and a bathing beach on the Atlantic Ocean. Together the house and grounds provide an excellent picture of winter resort life in Palm Beach prior to the Depression…
The site, the style, and a large amount of the decor was personally chosen by Marjorie Merriweather Post (then Mrs. Edward F. Hutton), who had the house built. After searching the area south of Worth Avenue for many months with her agent, Lytle Hull, Mrs. Post found a property which was suitable for the construction of the kind of residence she wanted. The property, overgrown with lush vegetation, consisted of approximately seventeen acres on a coral reef located between the Atlantic Ocean and Lake Worth, The reef provided a firm base for the house which was anchored to it with concrete and steel, and has withstood hurricanes and heavy tropical storms over the years. The name Mar-a-Lago means between sea and lake.
https://books.google.com/books?id=nT3fAAAAQBAJ&pg=PR18&dq=%22the+east+coast+railway+line+reached+west+palm+beach+in+1894%22+mar-a-lago&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjJmLjo45zTAhXKjFQKHZ8DDjoQ6AEIJjAA#v=onepage&q=%22the%20east%20coast%20railway%20line%20reached%20west%20palm%20beach%20in%201894%22%20mar-a-lago&f=true
http://www.chapelhillrail.com/history.html
In the day of the private railcar, was a spur built from the FEC Main to Mar-a-Lago?
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wanswheel,
Thanks for that post. I am fascinated by what you find to post on here. I liked Petula Clark's songs but had not heard the CMW song before. Again thanks.
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/08/born-in-the-usa/
NKP guy How do people explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Another conspiracy? No one's ever given me a good answer to this question.
Wouldn't matter - not a legal documentary proof. (How far would you expect to get, applying for a driver's license or a passport, if you produced only the newspaper clipping and then became indignant when the clerk wouldn't take it?)
To this white male it was obvious from the get-go that the "birther controversy" was an attempt to de-legitimize the first black President. How do you think it seems to our fellow (African American) citizens?
All too much of the "controversy" was just that, or was used to further some other agenda, including often a witless racist agenda. I would like to think that wouldn't apply to some of the court cases that attempted to compel release of or access to the 'original', but there again even if the motivation weren't 'nullifying the election by other means' it became easy to spin responses as if it had been.
My concern with it was strictly a Constitutional issue, and I confess that the most dumbfounding thing about the certificate we saw was that it was so incompetent (with all the supposed resources of the Democratic party and the government-in-being) in its execution if unassailable proof of 'native birth' was the object.
I stopped bothering with it when it became reasonably clear how thoroughly the fix was in. And how much of the objection to him was not based on truth, but on bias and worse. I'd like to be able to say the second was more important than the first, but my whole interest in the first place was solely a matter of Constitutional principle.
RME I might also add that the issue could be thoroughly and definitively debunked with a couple of minutes' objective analysis of the actual certificate in Hawaii, but of course it is a 'violation of privacy' even for a public figure for that to be granted.
How do people explain the birth announcement in the Honolulu newspapers? Another conspiracy? No one's ever given me a good answer to this question.
To this white male it was obvious from the get-go that the "birther controversey" was an attempt to de-legitimize the first black President. How do you think it seems to our fellow (African American) citizens?
What a disgraceful episode.
Firelock76I believe RME was speaking of ad hominem atttacks on Mr. Obama here, on the "Trains" Forum.
schlimmdakotafred? Just one of a host.
I went back using the admittedly cranky community search for any posts with 'dakotafred' and 'Obama' in them (it found 35) and while I find a number of criticisms of Obama's agencies, or Obama's policies, or other things, I can find no criticism of Obama's hairstyle, or his ears, or his lack of intelligence, or his general and repeated lack of honesty ... in other words, of any personal characteristic of the man outside his political role as a public figure.
About the worst was a rant by Dr. D about alleged 'imperial' style when Obama came back to Chicago after his presidency was over -- once again, lacking in personal insults -- for which he was roundly castigated (including a post from buslist, Feb 21 2015, mentioning that even that was a violation of the "3rd item in the terms of service".
I am quite certain that somewhere there have been disparaging personal remarks about Obama, and I would be prepared to wager that evidence will show some of the participants in this thread took action as the thought police concerning them long before I got a crack at a comment. However, it is schlimm's responsibility to actually find and cite these rather than wave hands and make implicit appeals to his authority.
(Meanwhile, I might add briefly that I was involved in the original analysis of the birth certificate provided on the White House site, and saw firsthand where some of the file data had clearly been altered by a bit-editing tool outside of the 'normal processing in scanning software' or whatever the excuse at the time was given to be. Of course, I can't say that some vast right-wing conspiracy hadn't tinkered with the file after it was downloaded from whitehouse.gov, or indeed had hacked the White House official version to try to make the President look bad. But I have to admit that the combination of what I have seen and all the stonewalling and excuses that have been made since then on this topic leaves me with at least the logical supposition that something about the documentation is not as the narrative tries to establish it. I might also add that the issue could be thoroughly and definitively debunked with a couple of minutes' objective analysis of the actual certificate in Hawaii, but of course it is a 'violation of privacy' even for a public figure for that to be granted. So let's just leave 'birther conspiracy' out of disparaging remarks about Mr. Trump if we have to continue the ad-hominem fest going forward.)
Firelock76 I believe RME was speaking of ad hominum atttacks on Mr. Obama here, on the "Trains" Forum. Quite honestly I don't recall any either, although I have to admit I don't look into every topic being discussed, some just don't interest me.
I believe RME was speaking of ad hominum atttacks on Mr. Obama here, on the "Trains" Forum. Quite honestly I don't recall any either, although I have to admit I don't look into every topic being discussed, some just don't interest me.
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Trump originally demanded B.O. produce his birth certificate, claimed he was not a U.S. citizen, etc. Then after DT's election claimed he (D.T.) never did that. And that is just one of the many attacks on Barack.
Railroading will always involve politics to some degree, and my original post on this thread was entirely in order. I have no objection to the wondering from the subject, as long as language is polite and respectful. Can we please keep it that way?
RMEI don't recall particularly many ad hominem attacks on Obama here
Your memory must be faltering then.
ACYAging is mandatory. Learning and growing and developing a sense of humor are highly recommended. Maturity is optional. Sometimes taking things too seriously and too literally is just a real depressing drag. Tom
I take being called mature as an insult.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
"You can disagree without being disagreeable."
I remember a few years back having a "give-and-take" with another commenter on a newspaper forum. After a bit I said, "OK, I'm not going to change your mind, you're not going to change mine, so let's just drop it and part as friends."
Another commenter piped up almost immediately, "Finally, a grown-up!"
schlimmI may have forgotten, but I don't recall your acting as a language monitor then
I don't recall particularly many ad hominem attacks on Obama here, but I have certainly commented on more than my share of them in other (usually more political) contexts, although I grant you I was much more impassioned in my defense of his wife (who I knew from college).
I was, and I remain, fairly critical of Obama's policies, some of his overt and implicit ideology, and of the behavior of some of the people acting 'on his watch'. That would not mean I would express an opinion of him as evil or amoral, or discuss his sartorial habits or perceived lack of intelligence as though I had firsthand experience of the man.
On the other hand, I don't think it's much of an excuse to say "simian yahoos made fun of someone I liked, so turnabout ought to be fair play". Unless you are saying it's OK to be a simian yahoo and talk about reasoned discourse and fair play in the same sentence. It is the yahooism, not the political point of view, that mattered here, and yes, it's reprehensible regardless of the political perspective it comes from.
To paraphrase Hall on Voltaire: I defend to the death your right to say something ... but I reserve the right to criticize the spirit with which you express it.
wanswheel https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUsXWEC4q2U&t=2h7m50s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUsXWEC4q2U&t=2h7m50s
Dat's da one! All of a sudden I've got the urge for a Miller...
RME ACY Yes, I can think of some folks who live more public lives, and have more far-reaching influence than I do, who could benefit from that advice. Maybe in three and a half or so years we will have choices who won't have to benefit from that advice. Maybe. Interesting to see if we get a better level of discourse in the next one, too, but that's even more uncertain a maybe.
ACY Yes, I can think of some folks who live more public lives, and have more far-reaching influence than I do, who could benefit from that advice.
Maybe in three and a half or so years we will have choices who won't have to benefit from that advice.
Maybe.
Interesting to see if we get a better level of discourse in the next one, too, but that's even more uncertain a maybe.
For the previous eight years, critics of Obama used pretty crude language, including some in Congress. On here, even worse. I may have forgotten, but I don't recall your acting as a language monitor then
ACYYes, I can think of some folks who live more public lives, and have more far-reaching influence than I do, who could benefit from that advice.
RME ACY I didn't know my opinions were taken so seriously, and find it interesting that I'm held to such a high standard of truth, with no room for exaggeration, irony, satire, humor, or error Lack of human kindness gets to be just a real depressing drag.
ACY I didn't know my opinions were taken so seriously, and find it interesting that I'm held to such a high standard of truth, with no room for exaggeration, irony, satire, humor, or error
Lack of human kindness gets to be just a real depressing drag.
Yes, I can think of some folks who live more public lives, and have more far-reaching influence than I do, who could benefit from that advice.
Tom
ACYI didn't know my opinions were taken so seriously, and find it interesting that I'm held to such a high standard of truth, with no room for exaggeration, irony, satire, humor, or error
I was not discussing any such things, only mean-spiritedness, and negative political commentary explicitly violating the Kalmbach TOS as stated by a responsible Kalmbach staff person. I am as fond of humor, sarcasm and even well-phrased polemics as anyone. It is when posts or threads become crippled or puerile or cruel in ways not related to Forum topics that I begin to disagree with them. Even then, I don't argue with a Constitutional right of free expression, but sometimes too much negativism or lack of human kindness gets to be just a real depressing drag.
wanswheel
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