Re Brother Dave Gardner, ever since I heard that routine (1960 more or less), every time I see a semi double-clutching E-flat tractor trailer truck I think about "I might be slow, but I'm ahead of you."
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"A stranger's just a friend you ain't met yet." --- Dave Gardner
But the simple answer was "I don't know" which wouldn't be entertaining. So in the true spirit of Forum posting I threw in some extraneous trivia to disguise the fact.
RME Deggesty Does Ed Ellis like root beer? Not sure, but the question is whether he likes it fountain style or out of a bottle. Does anyone know if the actual soda that should govern a discussion thread like this one, Fan-Taz ("The Drink That Helps You Think"), qualified as a root beer? It certainly was associated with baseball...
Deggesty Does Ed Ellis like root beer?
Not sure, but the question is whether he likes it fountain style or out of a bottle.
Does anyone know if the actual soda that should govern a discussion thread like this one, Fan-Taz ("The Drink That Helps You Think"), qualified as a root beer? It certainly was associated with baseball...
Johnny
DeggestyDoes Ed Ellis like root beer?
Does Ed Ellis like root beer?
Paul of CovingtonDon't you remember Brother Dave Gardner?
Ah! you didn't say "ah-ruh-cee" That threw me off...
Actually, I was being sarcastic because an older response on the Trains Magazine forum to perceived dead-horse-beating was to change the general subject to root beer. A bit like the old New Jersey "Hey, how about those Mets?" line [insert favorite locally-politically-acceptable team name as appropriate].
RMEThe preferred combination was an RC Cola and a Moon Pie where I grew up. Not root beer???
Not root beer???
Don't you remember Brother Dave Gardner?
CMStPnP MidlandMike Why would ATK put an extra large water tank on the diner if they did not need it all. No need to answer, since ACY has already witnessed that exact thing you doubted ("dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry") still emptied the tank on a diner he was working on. Excuse me, where did I say they did not need the water tank at all? I think I said expansion of them would not be an issue.
MidlandMike Why would ATK put an extra large water tank on the diner if they did not need it all. No need to answer, since ACY has already witnessed that exact thing you doubted ("dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry") still emptied the tank on a diner he was working on.
Excuse me, where did I say they did not need the water tank at all? I think I said expansion of them would not be an issue.
Where did I say, that you said they did not need the water tank at all? Now you are saying expansion of them (I presume you are still talking about the tanks) would not be an issue? Maybe they could put the extra tanks where the soda cans are stored. And you are also posting about extra water refill stops. I think I have made my point that the train would have to carry the same total volume of liquid on board, regardless of which type of soda (fountain or can) they served. I presume you know what you are talking about when you indicate a restaurant cuts cost with fountain drinks vs cans, and I have stayed out of that part if the conversation. However, with your cavalier attitude toward added costs for expanding potable water storage or filling facilities, in addtion to all the other problems other posters have brought up, it is hard to take you seriously that your proposal would save any money, much less space.
CMStPnP MidlandMike Why would ATK put an extra large water tank on the diner if they did not need it all. No need to answer, since ACY has already witnessed that exact thing you doubted ("dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry") still emptied the tank on a diner he was working on. Your absolutely right, I completely missed the fact the Auto Train was a Western LD train now and has the same level of patronage as other LD trains.........Sorry about that.
Your absolutely right, I completely missed the fact the Auto Train was a Western LD train now and has the same level of patronage as other LD trains.........Sorry about that.
It sounds like you are tryng to rationalize that since the example given was the Auto Train, that everyone has to show examples of every train's diner running out of water. Actually since you are the one suggesting that water capacity is not a problem, it is up to you to demonstrate that this was an isolated case.
MoonPie & RC The lettering is inconsistent even though the same bakery in Chattanooga has made them since 1917. Link
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
CMStPnPan awesome one that is political is the BOB ON THE FOB comic strip ... Some of the comic strip pictures apply to folks as civilians as they do to folks in uniform and that is why the strip is a classic.
I've been thinking, on and off, that the Good Idea Fairy as described there particularly operates in some railroad ... and sometimes railroad forum ... contexts.
RMEYou should tell the MVT people to correct the spelling mistakes; a real Army bureaucrat would know how to spell 'obsolete' or recognize that the correct MI language in that phrase involves some form of the word 'supersede.'
I have to say on the Army Form it goes to show you the great humor of Combat Arms in years when they are stressed that they produced something like that as a joke. It has been reproduced so many times I have no idea who created this copy. Not sure if you have seen some of the political pictures which are funny as well. Without breaching partisan sides of the aisle here an awesome one that is politcal is the BOB ON THE FOB comic strip written originally by a SSG with the 101st Airborne while in Iraq based on what he observed there during garrison Army life. Some of the comic strip pictures apply to folks as civilians as they do to folks in uniform and that is why the strip is a classic. BOB = Band of Brothers - reference name for 101st Airborne by Gen Petreus. FOB = Forward Operating Base. A lot of wartime humor in Iraq and Afghanistan unfortunately stayed there but the BOB ON THE FOB comics can be found on Facebook and via Internet searches.
Here is a small subset of the comics:
http://bradsexcellentadventure.blogspot.com/2008/02/bob-on-fob.html
Deggesty BaltACD zugmann CMStPnP Pepsi? The preferred combination was an RC Cola and a Moon Pie where I grew up.
BaltACD zugmann CMStPnP Pepsi?
zugmann CMStPnP Pepsi?
CMStPnP
Pepsi?
The preferred combination was an RC Cola and a Moon Pie where I grew up.
And I am from the Northeast, land of the Boyer Mallo-Cup (perhaps the exemplar of the very last sort of candy that would be found for more than a few hours in the American South, particularly in summer weather) but I always found this "MoonPie" business interesting because on all the packaging I ever saw it's "MOON * PIE" with a fairly substantial gray dot and white space between the halves. Who do you trust, company flacks or your lying eyes?
CMStPnPFeel free to continue the soft drink discussion without me but I am pretty sure you're going to need one of these at some point.
You should tell the MVT people to correct the spelling mistakes; a real Army bureaucrat would know how to spell 'obsolete' or recognize that the correct MI language in that phrase involves some form of the word 'supersede.'
And be careful: schlimm may be involved directly in the issuance and processing of the subsequent DA form 779-1A...
Thanks for deigning to give us lesser folk permission!
Feel free to continue the soft drink discussion without me but I am pretty sure your going to need one of these at some point. Borrowed from our own Army:
http://www.maxvelocitytactical.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/Hurt-Feelings-Report.jpg
DeggestyThe preferred combination was an RC Cola and a Moon Pie where I grew up.
It was during my seven years in Atlanta, even though it's Coke's headquarters: RC and MoonPie [no space].
BaltACD zugmann CMStPnP Pepsi? Dr. Pepper and Moon Pies?
Dr. Pepper and Moon Pies?
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
CMStPnPSo thats it from me on Coke dispenser talk from now on use Google everyone. Time to change the subject.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.
This is going to go on and on if I answer your questions. So lets drop it and move on to another topic.
To all:
I was hoping I could stay out of this after my last comments, but I guess I have to apologize and make a correction since I misspoke. Amtrak passenger cars don't carry nonpotable water. I was mistaken in my comment about flushing the toilets with nonpotable water. Stanchions for nonpotable water are used for such things as locomotive radiators, although I was never involved in locomotive servicing so I can't give reliable information about that. It is absolutely forbidden to use a stanchion for a nonpotable water station to fill a potable tank, and I'm not sure that the nozzles would fit if you tried. So CMStPnP is correct about point 6.
CMSTPnP:
When you respond directly to what I have said, I take that as a comment directed to me because that's the way communication works in the English language. When you dismiss what I have said, I take that as a dismissal of the notion that my ideas might have some validity. It is not necessarily thin-skinned of me to interpret your words that way. Look at what you have said. Look at the logical comments that have been made in response to yours. Look at the self-important, all-knowing, superior and condescending attitude you display. Don't be so surprised that I find your comments offensive.
Moving the water stop closer means moving the crew change/service stop, which means installing expensive plumbing facilities for one train a day, at a location that Amtrak doesn't even own (CSX property). How much of your personal fortune do you plan to contribute, Mr Trump? Amtrak doesn't have that kind of spare cash lying around.
I did not admit to using bottled water to rinse dishes. I didn't think that much detail was required. If you must know, they were scraped and given a minimal rinse with residual water that still remained in the water lines leading from the tank to the sink, as opposed to the line running from the tank to the dishwasher. That water quickly ran out, but it was enough to get the worst of the residual food off the plates.
You say nobody understands why I get upset with you. Maybe it's because I get awfully tired of being cross examined every time I give an explanation. It's like trying to explain something to a 4-year old. No matter what I say or how thorough I try to make my explanation, the question keeps coming back: "Why?" I try to make my explanations understandable and fairly simple. I never realized you would want me to write a whole book to explain every last detail on every question. You say nobody asked me to respond. Well, I have something to ask of you: If you don't want responses from those who know, why do you ask the questions??????? And why do you always assume that somebody else's solutions must necessarily be inferior to your own, especially when you admit that you have never worked on the equipment?
Tom
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So thats it from me on Coke dispenser talk from now on use Google everyone. Time to change the subject.
ACY
I have to write to a wider audience than you as you can tell from all the clarification posts and demands for follow-up. Different minds and thinking levels have to be attended to.
A big part of your issue is you read into what I write interpreting it all as written for you instead of a larger audience. You can ask for clarification. Point 7 for example was partly in response to the demand I provide information on where the extra water would come. Which I still think is a question asked without much thinking. I merely provided an example where Amtrak added Bottled Water to Sleeping Cars yet did not increase the size of the retention tanks which is a reverse of the we need to add capacity to the water tanks argument.
Point #6 general interest item has nothing to do with the topic.
Point 3, Your talking about the Auto-Train, I can surmise due to the # of passengers. How many passengers does that train carry per Dining Car? The whole we ran out of water before the water stop example is a good one for understanding BUT is that a show stopper? Lets say that happens with a soda dispenser on board, will there be an open insurrection or can the passengers wait a few hours until the tank is refilled (it ran out at or after Dinner right? You only waited until midnight). Now on most carriers if that happened once or twice, they would either increase the size of the water tank onboard or move the water stop to be closer. How much water did you have in Sanford when you arrived?
The point is really moot because I have been on trains that have run out of specific types of Soda. Not a huge deal, other flavors and other fluids available.
You also still have the bottled water right? Didn't you admit to using the bottled water to rinse the dishes? Even if you did not have bottled water on board you still have the chilled water in the tanks of the Coaches and Sleeping Cars. Add the water up on the Superliner Auto-Train consist it's a lot of water for the passengers being carried.
So the passengers will survive 4 hours without soda just like you survived 4 hours with out a dishwasher. There is still liquor and water on board just not on the Diner. And I'll bet the lounge car tanks still have water in them so not completely sure you would run out of soda completely just in the diner.
So can you relax a little here? #1 nobody asked you to respond. #2 nobody understands why your getting upset. #3 Don't interpret the entire post is written just for you.
AMTRAKKER I have travelled tens of thousands of miles on Amtrak. I have seen potable water filled on every long distance trip. I have never seen black tanks serviced enroute. Are you sure about that one?
I have travelled tens of thousands of miles on Amtrak. I have seen potable water filled on every long distance trip. I have never seen black tanks serviced enroute. Are you sure about that one?
From now on all future questions, please use Google I am winding down the conversation to avoid hurt feelings. Everything I found I used Google. I should have asked people to use Google before but I had a hunch they would not. BTW, surprise I found which is kind of gross too. Lavatory sinks still drain to the tracks even with the retention tanks....oops. So it could very well be they are not the only drain to track routing and the retention tanks are just for raw sewage.
MidlandMikeWhy would ATK put an extra large water tank on the diner if they did not need it all. No need to answer, since ACY has already witnessed that exact thing you doubted ("dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry") still emptied the tank on a diner he was working on.
CMStPnP ... Most of the water on a Superliner Diner is used for either the dishwasher or food prep..........I am sure there is some left over since it has the largest tank in the fleet and I am sure the dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry. ...
... Most of the water on a Superliner Diner is used for either the dishwasher or food prep..........I am sure there is some left over since it has the largest tank in the fleet and I am sure the dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry.
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Why would ATK put an extra large water tank on the diner if they did not need it all. No need to answer, since ACY has already witnessed that exact thing you doubted ("dishwasher per load basis does not suck the water tank dry") still emptied the tank on a diner he was working on.
CMStPnP MidlandMike Why would changing from fountain soda to cans have any thing to do with how much drinking water people would consume? Using the same logic one could argue the blackwater tanks fill faster with soda cans onboard because the serving size is greater. It's kind of a dumb argument either way in my view. Because those tanks are serviced enroute as well.
MidlandMike Why would changing from fountain soda to cans have any thing to do with how much drinking water people would consume?
Using the same logic one could argue the blackwater tanks fill faster with soda cans onboard because the serving size is greater. It's kind of a dumb argument either way in my view. Because those tanks are serviced enroute as well.
You seem to go into contortions to not answer a simple question. You imply the question is dumb, but yet you can't seem to answer it.
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