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Dallas Area Rapid Tranist (DART)
Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 19, 2007 8:52 AM
Trying to find out who knows something about DART.  Particulary about the light rail, but any part is ok to.  I currently work in revenue for Dart.
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Posted by daveklepper on Sunday, May 20, 2007 9:30 AM

What do you need to know?

 

A very useful website for you is www.lrta.org

 

Once you learn to navigate that site, you can learn as much as you want about light rail history and technology, with a UK slant, but with information applicable worldwide.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 21, 2007 3:10 AM
As I stated before I work for DART so I can answer questions or make corrections to make other answers correct.  It is what the public would like to know.
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Posted by daveklepper on Monday, May 21, 2007 4:45 AM

Again, on the website www.lrta.org, you can learn:

The history and beginnings of the streetcar ("Tram") industry.

The relation of the streetcar/tram industry to modern light rail

What makes light rail light rail as opposed to heavy rail, commuter rail, and streetcar/tram

If you use links on the website, "systems" -USA will get you to the website of your own company.   "clubs" will get you to the Mckenny Avenue musuem operation in Dallas and to other Texas railfan organizations, as well as the New york based Electric Railroaders Association.   The Mckenny Avenue site has a history of Dallas streetcar operation.

To start you off, the world's first successful conversion of a horse-car streetcar system to electric trolleys was in Richmond, VA, in 1887, as engineered by Frank Julian Sprague.   The second was the West End Street Railway's operation from Allston to Downtown Boston via Brookline, in 1888 for test operation and 1889 for the public.  A portion of this pioneering line, from Harvard Street to the St. Mary's Street subway incline, on Beacon Street is still in use as the "C" lilne of the Green Line routes in Boston.

Early "light rail" lines, using basically streetcar technology on private rights of way at higher than on-street speeds included Brooklyn's Nortons Point line (abandoned about 1950), still operating:  Boston's Ashmont-Mattapan line, Shaker Heights Rapid Transit (Cleveland RTA Blue and Green lines); and Pittsburgh Railways' lines in the South Hills.

 

The new light rail line revival started in San Diego with the opening of the San Yesidro, line (Meixcan Border) in 1980.

 

You should get to know the McKenny Avenue museum people and most can answer any of your questions off the  top of their heads!     And give them my regards.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 21, 2007 6:23 AM
As stated before.  I dont have any questions about it.  I work for DART.  I am here to answer specific question about our (DART) light rail system.  It would be nice if people knew a little bit about the # 1 transit system in the US.
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Posted by daveklepper on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 5:55 AM

Pardon me for being so dense.   Most such posting are people asking questions, not offering to answer them, so please forgive me for the confusion.   You run a terrific system, one of the best anywhere.

 

Incidently, I once had the opportunity to actually play the Fisk organ at the cocnert hall.

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Posted by modorney on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 10:21 AM

What does light rail pay ?

Do you have to be a bus driver, and then bid for a light rail job (I assume, whjich may be incorrect, that light rail is a "plum", and many bus drivers prefer it to buses.)

Can you get light rail off the street?, or as a DART mechanic, clerk, etc?

What's a typical shift?  Runs, breaks, lunch, days off, overtime possibilities, etc.

What's the retirement and retirement medical plan?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:28 AM

The Light rail pays the same as a bus driver, you start out at 12.39 during your eight week training, and then your pay increase to I believe 14 something.  It then increases every year.  Actually most of the bus drivers dont like the trains, only reason is because they can not get away with to much.  Some of the bus drivers hav went to rail, and then ran a red signal, so Dart will give you a choice if you have driven a bus before, either drive the bus, or you are out.

Typical shift is, if you are in high senority then you can work 8 hours and go home till tomorrow, with weekends off, but if you are new to the trains, then you start at the bottom and basically get the crap detail.  That menas you would probably go in at 3am, get your train, run for about 4 hours, get off the train or take it back to the Yard, and then return in a few hours to do the afternoon rush hour.  I believe there is always overtime availaable, you just have to talk to the station supervisors and see what is coming up.  DART does have 401K, but since it is not really a railroad, then no railroad retirement.  After you have been with Dart for 6 months, then they will start matching everything that you put towars your 401k.  There really is not a clerk job that I am aware of. 

 I currently work for Dart as a revenue agent, but as soon as June comes around and they start hiring for the rail again, then I am already guarented a job for the rail since I have prior railroad experence.

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:31 AM
That is totally understandable.  Beleive me you are ok with it.  To tell you how some of the bus drivers are here, they have there bus numbers and the parking row on there sign in ticket and they still come in asking what bus they have, or where it is parked. 
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Posted by DanRaitz on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 7:46 AM

Every time I see the someone mention DART or BART, I'm always reminded of when I was stationed at NAS Lemoore, about 40 miles south of Fresno, CA..  Frenso at that time was having a name our rapid transit system contest and they automaticaly ruled out "Fresno Area Rapid Transit". I wonder WhySmile [:)]

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Posted by modorney on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:19 PM

That's good info on DART.  Out here (SF), on BART, we don't have split shifts, but we do have part time train operators.  (When you run a transit system, you either have part timers or split shifts - that's how the commute runs.)  If you hire off the street, you start out part time, for about a year.  Part time is 25 hours a week.  You can also work another part time job (but not a full time one). 

If you transfer within BART, you become a full time TO right away.  Top scale takes 3 years, and is about 29 bucks an hour.  BART does not run buses, but getting a TO job is still pretty competitive, within BART. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 23, 2007 1:48 PM
Well, atleast you have some competition.  I know with dart, you can have a straight 8 hour run, (that is taken by most of the old heads if you will) , then you have the split runs (left usually to the new guys), but as far as part time, I dont know of any part time jobs, unless you are a cleaner.  I know that DART prefers prior railroad experience on signal territory operating there trains but it is not mandatory.  The main reason is all the bus operators get over to the trains and mess up by running a signal.
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Posted by modorney on Thursday, May 24, 2007 11:09 AM

Whenever I think of Dallas Transit, I think of an old story I heard from my childhood.  I grew up in Boston, and we had trackless trolleys, and we bought some from Dallas.  Dallas, I believe, had a tackless trolley line that ran from downtown, out Gaston and back on a parallel street.

It seems that the trackless trolley drivers would not go the full distance to the end of the line, but turn back before the end, and have a longer break.  The geography of the line allowed the vehicle to make the move totally without power.  The side streets had a slight downgrade, so the trackless trolley would leave the wires and roll a block or two, and stop on the return street.  Then the driver would put the poles back on the wires and resume his run (after a longer break).  This took some planning, as the bus would need to be empty, and the proper cross street would have to be a continuous downhill (in case of traffic stops).

The city got a few complaints about buses and trackless trolleys missing stops, but they only took the bus complaints seriously.  The city figured the trackless trolleys had to follow the wires.  But one night, the driver took the wrong side street.  The street had the requisite downgrade, but the driver did not figure on the telephone and power wires, crossing the street.  The flapping poles ripped out a few dozen telephone lines and an occasional (tougher) power wire.  That helped put an end to trackless trolleys in Dallas. 

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Posted by daveklepper on Friday, May 25, 2007 4:41 AM
Question:   I understand DART loaned cars to TRAX for the Salt Lake City Olympics.   What condition were the cars in when returned from Salt Lake City to Dallas?
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, May 26, 2007 2:43 AM
That is correct, there were 24 cars that were loaned to them.  As far I know the cars came back in good condition.  If not no one ever said anything.  The Senior manager and I had talked about it and he never said that they came back in bad conditon.  I would amagine that if they were in bad condition, then they would have been repaired particulary in Salt Lake.
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Posted by nanaimo73 on Monday, May 28, 2007 1:13 PM

Did the Texas and Pacific run under downtown Dallas through a tunnel running one block north of Elm Street, heading east from the Courthouse ?

When was the tunnel (?) last used, and could DART use it some day ? 

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 28, 2007 4:29 PM
Very good question.  I know there is a tunnel under downtown dallas that have a lot of eating places and other items down there. But I have never actually been down in there so I have no idea.  I will try and get some info for you and post it here.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, May 28, 2007 6:53 PM

As for a responce to my last answer. 

I am unable to find any info for The T&P haveing a tunnel.  I know that currently Dart runs over all the old T&P tracks, or at least owns most in the Dallas Area.  There is a tunnel that runs under highway 75. 

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Posted by nanaimo73 on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 1:48 AM
I looked at some more maps. I'm now thinking the T&P ran on Pacific Street, which looks like what DART does now. Do your trains share Pacific with vehicles ?
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, May 29, 2007 11:21 AM
Actually, Pacific is closed to all traffice except the Dart Trains.  When Dart came in they closed most of the streets that they were going to run the trains on, this was so that no one would delay the trains.  Pacific looks like a regualr street, just an old brick street with railand cantenery lines overhead.  Infact it looks so much like a street that cars use it all the time when they get lost downtown.  Some people dont understand the do not drive on track signs.  There is a tunnel that is located under 75 and about 1 to 2 blocks east of Bryan street, could this be the same tunnel.  According to some of the Dart folks, this tunnel was dig by hand by them.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 1, 2007 12:29 PM

I am actually thinking of moving to the Dallas/Fort Worth area.  One of my first stops is going to be at D.A.R.T for an application.  I currently have 7 yrs. driving with U.T.A. in Salt Lake City.

What is the pay scale for drivers that drive for D.A.R.T.?  This way I know what to expect beforehand. 

Any replies are appreciated.

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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 2, 2007 3:10 AM
Training pay is started at 12.34.  If you go to www.dart.org and click on about Dart.  That will bring up a list of applications.  Click on employment.  We are currently hiring operators.  Infact according to the job posting we will continue to hire operators through the end of the year.  You can download and print the application if you would like to apply for the position.  I know Dart like people who have driven buses before.  so good luck to you.
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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 2, 2007 12:18 PM
Thanks for that info.  I have been to the website and looked around a bit.  They cover a large area, it looks like anyway.  I hope not to have wasted my 7 yrs. of experience in any way.  I will also look at other opportunities that are there.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, June 11, 2007 7:10 AM
I know most of the bus operators dont like the rail, but to me the rail is going to go a lot farther than the buses will.  Since the Superbowl is being held in Arlington in 2011, Arlington has said they will have light rail by then.  Only one thing about that.  DART is the only one around the North Texas area with Light rail, That means that the buses will have to expand to Arlington.  We will be getting on new buses, the low floor buses.  Right now we currently operate Nova 40 foot, and a Nabi Express.  Also depending on what dept, or job you go to depends on how you will like it.  I have been in my current dept and just made my 6 months.  So now I am ready to get out of this dept.  I deal with the transportation dept, but I dont work in transportation.
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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 8:36 PM

I am flying down for the job fair on the 26th of this month.  I will then be moving down there during that weekend.  I hope to be settled in by the 4th of July.  I will be living in Garland.  I hope that everything goes well there.

I had an opportunity to do the light rail here in Salt Lake during the Olympics.  I turned it down at the last minute.  I had been accepted into the program, but decided that it wasn't for me at the time.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:33 PM

Well, good luck with the job fair, I know we not only need operators, but need buses also.  Let me know if you get the job.  I work at all the garages so we are bound to meet sometime.

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:13 PM

How many garages are there in DART? 

We have 2 that are in Salt Lake and there is 1 in Ogden and 1 in Provo.  So, you get hired on in one of those 3 places.  Obviously the biggest is Salt Lake.  I have never worked in either Ogden or Provo.  That doesn't mean we don't drive routes that go there (mostly express routes), just that we are not assigned there. 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 15, 2007 10:10 AM

Well, we have 3 garages,

East Dallas, or ED  has 265 buses.

Northwest or NW has 245 buses

South Oak Cliff or SOC has like 165 buese.

Then we have out light rail which is S&I.  No buses over there.

 

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 15, 2007 11:29 AM

Sounds about the same as our garages here.  I think our main one has about 250 or so buses.  All the others probably have about 150 or so.

We also have a FLEX TRANS system for the severely disabled people who are not able to right fixed route buses.  They go to the people's home and take them where they need to go.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 15, 2007 1:59 PM
We have what is called a Dart on Call.  They run some fixed routes, but they are specifiaclly for the ADA passengers.  We also have a door to door service for the ADA passengers.  Most of the operators though are operating the regular fixed routes.  I beleive that is what we are hiring for.  I will have to ask and make sure.

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