Yesterday (March 16) a fight broke out on a New Jersey Transit train headed for Port Jervis. The fighters were ejected at Rutherford and two were given tickets. (I do not mean to cast an aspersion on Port Jervis. This was a Saturday train so most likely it made all local stops.)
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2013/03/police_throw_16_off_nj_transit.html
The implication in the paper was that it was the result of NYC's St. Patrick's Day Parade. NJT made a big deal of it by announcing there would be no tolerance of alcoholic beverage drinking on trains, in stations, nor on station platforms. The LIRR finally made the same statement on their website today in relation to the crowds riding fro the festivities in Montauk today. But MNRR, LIRR, and NJT often report delays for "police activity" without explaining what that activity might be. In this case, since it was a local or all stops train, then you can't single out Port Jervis as being more culpable than any other station stop and, in fact, with the few passengers usually left on the train into Port, it is even less likely to point the finger at them.
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'Unruly Passengers' being forcibly removed from a train is nothing unique to NJT or St. Patrick's Day celebrations - it happens all the time to all passenger carrier. Amtrak has more than it's share for a variety of reasons.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
henry6NJT made a big deal of it by announcing there would be no tolerance of alcoholic beverage drinking on trains, in stations, nor on station platforms.
That is very interesting in view of the fact that both Hoboken Terminal and Newark Station have bars and have liquor stores that sell beer, wine, single shot bottles with mixers and give you a cup with ice to go with it.
Being ejected from an Amtrak train could be a real problem. The next train might not be along for a couple of days.
Oh great, just swell. NOW I've got to figure out how to have 16 O scale losers having a fight on my Lionel New Jersey Transit train. I tell you it just never stops, just when you think the modeling's complete...
Firelock76 Oh great, just swell. NOW I've got to figure out how to have 16 O scale losers having a fight on my Lionel New Jersey Transit train. I tell you it just never stops, just when you think the modeling's complete...
First, to be prototypical, you must remove the third rail and place in at the base of the bar....If you don't have a bar, several small paper bags will do.
Henry. I'd rather have those dopes STEP on the third rail! That's one way to remove a bunch of losers from society!
But Wayne,
This is a great opportunity for verisimilitude. When you are done your model will no doubt be unique.
John
Firelock76 I'd rather have those dopes STEP on the third rail! That's one way to remove a bunch of losers from society
Hey Wayne, watch what you say. I mean I've had my share of fights on the train that I never would have had if It weren't for a few drinks. All men get into these kinds of fights. Haven't you?
Just a friendly reminder to not be doing the fight thing here please....
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
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I'm a little too old for fighting now. Besides I haven't had a few drinks first. Besides I don't want to break my computer screen.
John WR Firelock76 I'd rather have those dopes STEP on the third rail! That's one way to remove a bunch of losers from society Hey Wayne, watch what you say. I mean I've had my share of fights on the train that I never would have had if It weren't for a few drinks. All men get into these kinds of fights. Haven't you? John
Even when my train had tank cars full of alcohol, they never picked a fight with an adjacent soybean meal hopper.
Thank god for freight service.
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zugmannEven when my train had tank cars full of alcohol, they never picked a fight with an adjacent soybean meal hopper.
It's easy to understand why railroads preferred pulling freight to passengers.
I wonder if that wonderful model train world in Hamburg will pick up on thhis. They do have some North American scenery and trains in the gigantic layout.
John WRThat is very interesting in view of the fact that both Hoboken Terminal and Newark Station have bars and have liquor stores that sell beer, wine, single shot bottles with mixers and give you a cup with ice to go with it.
When I first moved to Louisiana, I came across the culture of the drive-in cocktail store. They'd sell you a Hurricane-sized thing -- about the size of a Big Gulp, if I remember the size correctly, and a good proportion of it alcohol -- as you sat in your car.
Louisiana had an open container law at the time.
I suppose there was supposed to be some loophole that let you drive away from the window without violating the law, while keeping your BAC in the correct range. (In California they would have relays of blackshirted fascisti lurking around the corners to find some excuse to stop those customers, and in New Jersey 'open container' means anything not still factory sealed ... but Louisiana was different.)
Sorry to disappoint ya John, but no. AND for the same reason I never got a tattoo when I was in the Marines. I never got that drunk!
Firelock76orry to disappoint ya John, but no. AND for the same reason I never got a tattoo when I was in the Marines. I never got that drunk!
Gee whiz, Wayne. I thought you were an interesting guy but now.... I bet there are lots of other things you never done neither.
Firelock76 Oh great, just swell. NOW I've got to figure out how to have 16 O scale losers having a fight on my Lionel New Jersey Transit train.
Oh great, just swell. NOW I've got to figure out how to have 16 O scale losers having a fight on my Lionel New Jersey Transit train.
It's a cinch. You have those MTH push-pull cars, right? Put a cam on each of the four axles, with a follower that comes out to a hinged bar curved to the truck radius. (There will be two bars, one over the other, per truck)
Follower rollers engage the bars. Then you have longitudinal pushrods with return springs that run the length of the car.
Your passengers are resin-cast with brass tubes embedded as necessary. They have a pivot in the bottom, and are connected to the longitudinal rods so they twist and turn as the train goes down the track. Note that 'fighters' will be driven via cams from opposite ends so they swing toward each other.
Other cams on the car floor under the figures, with pushrods that go up to the movable arm to make it 'swing'. Note that only the part of the fighting that shows through the windows needs to be rendered in the automata...
Simple? To quote Eli Gilderfluke, this is simplicity itself.
I have another project in the works. It's an elevator for a station. You load a reservoir with deer attractant, commonly and cheaply obtained at places like Wal-Mart. There is a moving figure inside the elevator car, which 'drinks' from a scale can or bottle, using the time-honored doll technology. (Doll-house furnishing makers can readily provide a range of user-selectable modules, including faithful replicas ranging from Ripple to Mad Dog 20/20). The figure then turns to the wall and engages in deployment of micturitional product. We can re-use the technology to provide instantiations at other modeled locations at only slight additional development cost.
First we had scale operation, then digital control, then sound. Obviously, engaging more senses in model railroading is the wave of the future, just as it was for movies in the early '60s. Since taste is not likely to be relevant -- but smell is -- we need more authentic ... I am trademarking the term "RailrOdors" for this bold new concept.
Who else has ideas for exploitation? Line forms to the right.
RME
OvermodWho else has ideas for exploitation? Line forms to the right.
oltmannd OvermodWho else has ideas for exploitation? Line forms to the right. I'd love to wait in line, but I've got to ....uh....go micturate. (learn something new everyday...)
Just don't do so in a corner or on the stairs... ;-}
An old girlfriend of mine once noted "There are 'No Spitting' signs all over the place down here [NYC IRT subway] but NOT ONE NOTICE that says you can't pee..."
Well, I DID visit various topless bars outside the Marine bases I was stationed at, but let me give you all a tip. If you want to be REALLY entertained in a topless bar don't watch the girl. Watch the GUYS watching the girl! It's hilarious!
The last trip to a topless bar Lady Firestorm went along, she wanted to see what it was like and wound up baby-sitting one of the dancer's kids! And NO SHE DIDN'T!
And Overmod, I read your idea for "animating" one of the cars. My head's about to explode. Anyway, I only have "happy stuff" on the layout.
Wayne,
I ain't goin to no topless bar in this konversayshum. Just because I got tatoos and get drunk and brawl on the trains don't mean I ain't got no stannerds.
Wheres the bar car when you need it?
BonasWheres the bar car when you need it?
I'm a frugal traveler. I bring my pint of bourbon in a brown paper bag. Then I get some cold 7 Up and a cup or two of ice. If I'm unlucky I have to drink my whiskey with water.
"Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle, feel the wheels grumblin' 'neath the floor..."
Hey, remember the actor Monty Wooley? He used to board the 20th Century Limited with a HUGE book under his arm. People thought it was a great scholarly edition of something but it fact it was hollowed out and contained a bottle of Jack Daniels!
Firelock76 "Pass the paper bag that holds the bottle, feel the wheels grumblin' 'neath the floor..." Hey, remember the actor Monty Wooley? He used to board the 20th Century Limited with a HUGE book under his arm. People thought it was a great scholarly edition of something but it fact it was hollowed out and contained a bottle of Jack Daniels!
I'm afraid I never heard of Monte Wooley. But I did look him up in Wiki. And I have seen him in The Man Who Came to Dinner.
Overmod Firelock76 Oh great, just swell. NOW I've got to figure out how to have 16 O scale losers having a fight on my Lionel New Jersey Transit train. It's a cinch. You have those MTH push-pull cars, right? Put a cam on each of the four axles, with a follower that comes out to a hinged bar curved to the truck radius. (There will be two bars, one over the other, per truck) Follower rollers engage the bars. Then you have longitudinal pushrods with return springs that run the length of the car. Your passengers are resin-cast with brass tubes embedded as necessary. They have a pivot in the bottom, and are connected to the longitudinal rods so they twist and turn as the train goes down the track. Note that 'fighters' will be driven via cams from opposite ends so they swing toward each other. Other cams on the car floor under the figures, with pushrods that go up to the movable arm to make it 'swing'. Note that only the part of the fighting that shows through the windows needs to be rendered in the automata... Simple? To quote Eli Gilderfluke, this is simplicity itself. I have another project in the works. It's an elevator for a station. You load a reservoir with deer attractant, commonly and cheaply obtained at places like Wal-Mart. There is a moving figure inside the elevator car, which 'drinks' from a scale can or bottle, using the time-honored doll technology. (Doll-house furnishing makers can readily provide a range of user-selectable modules, including faithful replicas ranging from Ripple to Mad Dog 20/20). The figure then turns to the wall and engages in deployment of micturitional product. We can re-use the technology to provide instantiations at other modeled locations at only slight additional development cost. First we had scale operation, then digital control, then sound. Obviously, engaging more senses in model railroading is the wave of the future, just as it was for movies in the early '60s. Since taste is not likely to be relevant -- but smell is -- we need more authentic ... I am trademarking the term "RailrOdors" for this bold new concept. Who else has ideas for exploitation? Line forms to the right. RME
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