cab signal locos

[blue streak 1]

Forgot to say also any automatic train stop equiped locos. ie any that are qualified for 80+ running even though in reality would not operate that fast.

[trainfan1221]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

I was always under the assumption that a dark line was completely unsignaled, not just a lack of wayside signals.

Your assumption is correct.  Dark means no wayside signals, no cab signals -- the Method of Operation is TWC, DTC, OCS, Form B, Track Lineup, Block Register, or Yard Limits.

RWM 

I believe even an unsignaled line such as the Boston line can have them at certain areas, such as junctions and sidings.  I know there are routes where part of it is Dark and others have some signaling.

Railwayman has it right.  The Boston line is TCS (CTC for you non -ex Cons), cab signal w/o wayside.  It is bright, bright, bright!

Oh.  Guess I learned something.

[oltmannd]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

I was always under the assumption that a dark line was completely unsignaled, not just a lack of wayside signals.

Your assumption is correct.  Dark means no wayside signals, no cab signals -- the Method of Operation is TWC, DTC, OCS, Form B, Track Lineup, Block Register, or Yard Limits.

RWM 

I believe even an unsignaled line such as the Boston line can have them at certain areas, such as junctions and sidings.  I know there are routes where part of it is Dark and others have some signaling.

Railwayman has it right.  The Boston line is TCS (CTC for you non -ex Cons), cab signal w/o wayside.  It is bright, bright, bright!

[oltmannd]

Anyone kinow approximate numbers of units and road number groups of each RR including Amtrak that are cab signaled equipped? 

On NS, any road locomotive inherited from Conrail plus anything new since 1998 has cab signal.  (PRR style - 100Hz carried, 4 aspect)  You should be able to get a rough count from a current NS roster using this info. 

Oh  not true there is several  engines built after 1998 that the ns has that does not have cab signal. in fact its easier said that there is some engines that dont have signal in the cab. most being the ge engines in the 9400-9500-9600s several of the ex-conrail 2500 series .

Oh, yes true!  For example, all those ex-CR 2500's have Ultracab II in them.  Take a trip down the short hood next time you get one your way.

[zugmann]

Oh  not true there is several  engines built after 1998 that the ns has that does not have cab signal. in fact its easier said that there is some engines that dont have signal in the cab. most being the ge engines in the 9400-9500-9600s several of the ex-conrail 2500 series .

 

No, all the SD70s, 70Ms, 70M-2s have cab signals.  and all the GEs in the 92xx-somewhere and up have cab signals.   

[trainfan1221]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

I was always under the assumption that a dark line was completely unsignaled, not just a lack of wayside signals.

Your assumption is correct.  Dark means no wayside signals, no cab signals -- the Method of Operation is TWC, DTC, OCS, Form B, Track Lineup, Block Register, or Yard Limits.

RWM 

I believe even an unsignaled line such as the Boston line can have them at certain areas, such as junctions and sidings.  I know there are routes where part of it is Dark and others have some signaling.

[wabash1]

Ive been told by certain road formans that any line amtrak runs on has to be signaled and in cab signal.

Not true.  All Amtrak locomotives have cab signal, but Amtrak trains can even run on dark territory.  In fact most Amtrak route miles are non-ATC.

Here is the cab signal/ATC territory hosting Amtrak trains that I can think of off the top of my head:

NEC - Boston to Washington (Amtrak's PRR legacy plus goofy home-grown system) includes Metro North from New Rochelle to New Haven

Amtrak Harrisburg Line - Phila to Harrisburg

Amtrak NY State - CSX Boston line to Albany Rensselaer to CP 169 on CSX Chicago Line

CSX Boston Line - Boston to Post Road Connection

CSX Hudson Line - Poughkeepsie to Albany Rensselaer

CSX ex-RF&P - converted to PRR 100Hz carrier system post CR merger

BNSF ex-CB&Q from Chicago to Napierville?  (is there more? or less?)

BNSF ex ATSF train stop on some part of transcon line (not sure how much and where)

BNSF ex ATSF train stop LA to San Diego.

Amtrak Michigan ITCS  new installation

Amtrak/UP Chicago to St. Louis PTS new installation.

NS Harrisburg to Pittsburgh to Cleveland (via Alliance)  ex-PRR plus CR additions

Additions?  Corrections?

And the rest of the statement should have been to run high speed, they haft to have cab signals, high speed is anything over 80 mph, of course all yo listed was signaled territory, whats that to prove?

[wabash1]

Anyone kinow approximate numbers of units and road number groups of each RR including Amtrak that are cab signaled equipped? 

On NS, any road locomotive inherited from Conrail plus anything new since 1998 has cab signal.  (PRR style - 100Hz carried, 4 aspect)  You should be able to get a rough count from a current NS roster using this info. 

Oh  not true there is several  engines built after 1998 that the ns has that does not have cab signal. in fact its easier said that there is some engines that dont have signal in the cab. most being the ge engines in the 9400-9500-9600s several of the ex-conrail 2500 series .

[Railway Man]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

I was always under the assumption that a dark line was completely unsignaled, not just a lack of wayside signals.

Your assumption is correct.  Dark means no wayside signals, no cab signals -- the Method of Operation is TWC, DTC, OCS, Form B, Track Lineup, Block Register, or Yard Limits.

RWM 

[blue streak 1]

I've heard both NJ transit and SEPTA were required to add cab signals does anyone know more? Also I have observed some Amtrak locos without cab signaling.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

I was always under the assumption that a dark line was completely unsignaled, not just a lack of wayside signals.

[oltmannd]

Ive been told by certain road formans that any line amtrak runs on has to be signaled and in cab signal.

Not true.  All Amtrak locomotives have cab signal, but Amtrak trains can even run on dark territory.  In fact most Amtrak route miles are non-ATC.

Here is the cab signal/ATC territory hosting Amtrak trains that I can think of off the top of my head:

NEC - Boston to Washington (Amtrak's PRR legacy plus goofy home-grown system) includes Metro North from New Rochelle to New Haven

Amtrak Harrisburg Line - Phila to Harrisburg

Amtrak NY State - CSX Boston line to Albany Rensselaer to CP 169 on CSX Chicago Line

CSX Boston Line - Boston to Post Road Connection

CSX Hudson Line - Poughkeepsie to Albany Rensselaer

CSX ex-RF&P - converted to PRR 100Hz carrier system post CR merger

BNSF ex-CB&Q from Chicago to Napierville?  (is there more? or less?)

BNSF ex ATSF train stop on some part of transcon line (not sure how much and where)

BNSF ex ATSF train stop LA to San Diego.

Amtrak Michigan ITCS  new installation

Amtrak/UP Chicago to St. Louis PTS new installation.

NS Harrisburg to Pittsburgh to Cleveland (via Alliance)  ex-PRR plus CR additions

Additions?  Corrections?

[oltmannd]

Anyone kinow approximate numbers of units and road number groups of each RR including Amtrak that are cab signaled equipped? 

On NS, any road locomotive inherited from Conrail plus anything new since 1998 has cab signal.  (PRR style - 100Hz carried, 4 aspect)  You should be able to get a rough count from a current NS roster using this info. 

[Railway Man]

Most UP locomotives are equipped with cab signals.

RWM 

[wabash1]

Ive been told by certain road formans that any line amtrak runs on has to be signaled and in cab signal.

[trainfan1221]

I know Conrail had units with cab signals, don't know how many.  There are lines that are essentially Dark, that being unsignaled, where the crew relies on them.  I believe the Boston and Albany line is an example.

[Cris_261]

The D&H had ten GP39-2s equiped with cab signals. They were part of an order for 20 that were delivered in 1976 and numbered in the 7600 series out of sequence.

[blue streak 1]

Anyone kinow approximate numbers of units and road number groups of each RR including Amtrak that are cab signaled equipped?