BigJimFor those of you that don't know, the only purpose of the knuckle pin is to keep the knuckle attached to the draw head. You can couple the cars together and then remove the pin and the cars will stay coupled. I have made many a cut and as the car moved away, the knuckle on the stationary car would fall to the ground!
Many knuckle pins that weren't cotter keyed in place have ended up in being shipped overseas when the cars are turned over by rotary car dumpers in the export coal business.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
As I'm sure you know, a couple spikes can be jammed in the pin's hole if you can't find another pin.
Greetings from Alberta
-an Articulate Malcontent
For those of you that don't know, the only purpose of the knuckle pin is to keep the knuckle attached to the draw head. You can couple the cars together and then remove the pin and the cars will stay coupled. I have made many a cut and as the car moved away, the knuckle on the stationary car would fall to the ground!
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More history of the link and pin couplers. From reading on the old Internet, the pin sitting on the cardboard matches the design of the pins on this site.....
http://cprr.org/Museum/Ephemera/Link-Pin_Couplers.html
Overmod Does this look familiar? https://rrtools.com/product/c10-knuckle-pin/
Does this look familiar?
https://rrtools.com/product/c10-knuckle-pin/
Yep, that's the one with the flat top. The other I think is an actual coupler pin.
There is a better pic of the first one I found a few posts up. There is a delay in my post because they are having to be approved since I'm new. Also, there is a pic of the B&O pin. It's not mine, just a pic I found on the web.
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Well, I couldn't figure how how to get the pics to show in the thread, but here are the links.
The latest one I found is 14 inches long with a shaft diameter of 1.5 inches.
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Here is the head on that one.
This is the first one I found. It's in the electrolysis tank so I can't get a good measurement, but it's a little shorter and has a different "head" on it. Also found the wrench and other stuff the same day.
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I see a knuckle pin, a flame-cut train emergency wrench and draft gear/coupler key. Don't know what that curved thing is....
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
Oh, you say it is a new one -- I thought our friend had gotten the old one cleaned up with the electrolysis?
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
Here is a better pic of the first one I found. It does have a shoulder to keep it from sitting flush so it could be easily grabbed. It's about 12 1/4" long by 1 3/8" in diameter.
The other pic of the B&O is not mine. Just one I found on the web. I'd love to find one that had the RR ID on it.
Thanks for the responses. I agree the one doesn't have a way to easily grip and pull it out and it certainly looks like the photo of the janney pin.
The other one does have a way to pull it out as the head is down a couple inches from the top.
As for cleaning it, I think that is better than leaving it to rust away. I'll post a better pic of the other one later. I'm planning on taking it out of the electrolysis tank in a bit.
Looks like a really old knuckle swivel pin, for a Janney coupler. Here's a new one:
Right, looking at your pictures (nice finds!) I don't think those are from a link-and-pin coupling systems.
This is a museum preserved link-and-pin coupling set-up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railway_coupling#/media/File:Link_and_Pin.jpg
I don't think a cleaning would do any great harm to any collector value, assuming they have much to begin with. I'd just paint them with a good-quality rust arrestor and give them a coat of Rustoleum so they don't get any worse.
ACobra289Are they collectible?
If they are, you probably shouldn't have done the cleaning on the one. I know cleaning an old coin like that can greatly reduce it's value to a collector.
I am having a problem believing that the item shown singly is a pin used for link-and-pin coupling. A pin has to be grabbed and lifted for uncoupling. That pin has no easy place to grab it.
I did an image search, and all the pins I found had a way to lift them, either a "handle" or some chain.
On the other hand, the dimensions look to be within the range of coupler pins. Maybe it was of the "better than nothing" variety.
Ed
If a mod could delete the duplicate pics that'd be great.
Thanks.
Also, in my research, I did find where a pin had the name of the RR on the top part. It was a B&O. But it was a different head on it than mind.
If I do that on my iPad I just get the square empty little box. I touch insert along the top ( between edit and view) and the code shows up and push ok. Then the pic appears.
Beforehand, if there is a pic I want to post I 'save image' and it goes to my photo file and immediately also goes to my Imgur photo file. Then I can download from there and copy to Kalmbach. Be careful to select 'hidden' on the memify or else it goes public and the Imgurgians will fry you alive if it's not up to what they put up, which of course it won't be.
Made that public decision once just to see. Took me weeks to shake an 'Iluminatae' labelling plus ridicule and get off my lawn stuff.
Just paste the BBCode into the text box. Don't use the insert from the menu.
Edit: Overmod beat me to it. I'm old and slow.
York1 John
No no no
If you have copied Imgur BBcode, the only thing you do is 'paste' or ctrl/cmd-V it into the text ... do NOT use any Forum option or tool.
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nevermind
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Imgur is good. Copy then go to the Forum and using the bar as seen along the top select Insert, then paste and a code will come up then select ok at the bottom of the box that has appeared and bingo.
Bob Keller from the "Classic Toy Trains" side of the house tells you how to do it.
http://cs.trains.com/ctt/f/95/t/270990.aspx
Well I can't get the bloody link to light up, so go to "Classic Toy Trains," you can find it through Trains.com Sites, then go to the "Forum." It'll be the first entry on top.
ACobra289Thanks for the welcome and the quick response. I'm on quite a few forums and consider myself somewhat tech savvy, but I can't figure out how to do images on this site. I usually use imgur bbcode. Can someone point me to the instructions on how to post pics on this site? Thanks. " alt="" />
I'm on quite a few forums and consider myself somewhat tech savvy, but I can't figure out how to do images on this site. I usually use imgur bbcode.
Can someone point me to the instructions on how to post pics on this site?
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To post pictures on this site - they have to be linked from a third party picture posting site.
Thanks for the welcome and the quick response.
If you can post some photos that'll be a help. I've seen some in a local railroad museum (found in this area as well) so I can make a good guess. And no, they were never marked by the owning railroads, any more than rail spikes would have been. And link-and-pin coupling did hang on into the 20th Century, not on mainline rairoads but on much smaller industrial 'roads that didn't interchange with the "big boys."
And aboard!
PS: Put a ruler alongside them in the photo so we can get an idea of size.
Somehow, I would think that since link-and-pin couplers have not been in service since prior to 1900, it would be difficult to impossible to determine if that's what you have.
Hi all.
I recently found what I'm pretty sure are 2 old coupling pins. I've not cleaned them up yet although I do have one currently in electrolysis. Were the pins ever marked with the railroad they were used for? Are they collectible? I assume they're fairly common around the old rail lines.
I don't have any pics right now but will post some when I get a change. They are slightly different styles.
Thanks,
Bill
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