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Posted by tjsmrinfo on Friday, March 31, 2006 9:51 AM
if its a standard you can always pop the clutch.


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csx i agree with ya there, people even complain about idling big trucks.


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Posted by Mookie on Friday, March 31, 2006 6:11 AM
I think your handle says a lot about you....

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, March 31, 2006 5:33 AM
Won't a locomotive stop if you stuff lots of pillows down the exhaust?
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Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:39 PM
Ok, Kevin, You had no buisness saying that people race the train because they dislike the engineer!.

I think in the end we are both very opinionated people who get worked up over mildly silly things.

I personally took offense to things you had said, and I did not choose the best way to express them.

You also said some things which made you look like you had the litiary skills of Mike Tyson also.

In the end, I apologize, and hope you do the same.

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Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 12:20 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by coborn35

QUOTE: Originally posted by Rodney Beck

CSX you stay on that high horse and I will join you, I being a locomotive engineer just as you know what can happen to the engine when they are shut down. Some people just do not get it, locomotive engines do not have antifreeze in them because of the cost they will freeze up and cause major dammage if they are shut down and not drained just because some jack a** was tired of the noise. Those are my engines and keep your hands off CSX and I went through the training programs to operate them so again keep your f*cking hands off of them.

Rodney
Locomotive engineer BNSF

Exactly!
Anyone who works for Union Pacific and reads certain sheets of paper (im not disclosing which, you will know if you work for them) It TELLS employee's tey CANNOT answer "inncoent' questions so really, all the engineers (and me because I do start-up/shut-down/sometimes run) are doing, is well.....THEIR JOB!
And Kevin, mebbe your so sore because your NOT into engine service yet? WHAT makes you a god? Your a conductor/switchman! Not an engineer!
I garuntee you that if someone wanted to know how, they would check here, becasue, as is the case, some people cant keep their ***ed mouth shut.

And Kevin, WHAT THE HELL do you mean by:
QUOTE: I hope none of you, really ever ask yourself why people get mad at Engineers, try to skip crossings.. Just scroll up, and see if you can find an answer.
You think THATS why they race to the crossing? Beacuse their MAD at the ENGINEER? HELL NO! Its because tehy are impatient! You really think they are sitting in the car, waiting for a train to come, going "O BOY! Rodney is the engineer, hes an *** (just an example of course) im gonna go kill myself by dirving in front of him! My kids will never see me again, but hey, I HATE RODNEY!"
Your a dumbass if you think that!

And that remark about LC, man, you sure have a high horse to be saying that kind of stuff!
You know what, I bet YOU dont know how to shut a loco off! And if you look at your post about sneaking in, you sure as HELL dont!

Im off the [soapbox]



Woha there, Chief. Take a minute and relax.

Actually, it's funny you should mention what makes me a God... Nothing is the answer BUT... A famous pope once said.. Treating other people with respect and dignity brings you three steps closer to being a God then the person five steps behind you...

Funny.. I also think I was talking about respecting other people aswell.

Oh and don't rely on my profile to tell you what my position is, I havn't updated it in a year and a half, two years.


You obviously have the literary skills of Mike Tyson, or chose your parts in which you get aggrivated over.

Rememebr in my last paragraph, i said about calling names, That i've never heard them before... I was being sarcastic.

Now whatever your issue is... it's lost in all your name calling, and stupid talk.

So you were saying....

I said E-mail me if you have any objections and we can talk from there.. or did you miss that part too? you can swear all you want from there, and I will honestly answer no matter how disrespectful you choose to be.

You shouldn't be subjecting younger memebers of this forum to your uncivilized behavior.

Oh and lastly, Unless LC is your best friend, His and my relationship has nothing to do with you, AND furthermore, what i choose to call him or say about him is Nunya... Nunya buisness.

Hopefully your finished with your anger trip, and you can act like that adult your supposed to be.


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Posted by coborn35 on Wednesday, March 22, 2006 10:38 AM
NO, they really dont. Its just they have certain thinkgs they can or cannot say.
And, if you really can find out all that info on the web...WHY ask it here?

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:13 PM
Well, of course there's not, csxengineer. I can see why you wouldn't want people up in the cab, or that close to the locomotives. But hey, can you bame a person for wondering? And you're right, MSTS is quite realistic, but it does leave out elements like starting and shutting down locomotives, hot boxes, ect. I'm sorry engineers have such a negative attitude towards curious railfans..........
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:42 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas

And those that think they have a right to know everything about everything typicaly know nothing about anything.[banghead]
i never claimed to know eveything about eveything on the railroad..and in fact..i learn something new eveyday i report for work... but thier is a line that people in the industry have to hold now since the dawning of the new america (post 9-11) and part of that line is information.... i have had to take as part of my yearly rules classes... computer informational seminors on railroad security...in the modules it is very clear on what we are and arnt alowed to talk about... and information regarding train opporatins and movements as well as mainifests is prohibited information for the gernal public.... and it all comes down to security..and like i said above...the railroads as well as governing bodies of the government (FRA) do monitor sights such as this... and in the "new america" i feel that unless your in the industry....you dont need to know how to shut down engins or start them... and as far as people playing the train sims to learn to "run them" argument... MSTS as well as a few others i have seen do leave out key information so that some joe blow cant just jump up in the cab of an ideling engin and say..hey...i payed 100 hours of MSTS so i know how to run an engin...
the point that i keep making but some of you dont seem to want to get is this... unless your an employee... thier is NO REAL NEED FOR JOHN Q PUBLIIC TO KNOW HOW TO START...STOP....OR EVEN RUN A LOCOMOTIVE.....
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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:41 PM
I don't see what the big deal is with revealing info on how to shut down a loco. It took me all of five minuets to find info on the internet on not just how to start / stop a locomotive, But also how to troubleshoot a loco that will not start. It's not a secret guys.
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Posted by chad thomas on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:21 PM
And those that think they have a right to know everything about everything typicaly know nothing about anything.[banghead]
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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 4:14 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Rodney Beck

CSX you stay on that high horse and I will join you, I being a locomotive engineer just as you know what can happen to the engine when they are shut down. Some people just do not get it, locomotive engines do not have antifreeze in them because of the cost they will freeze up and cause major dammage if they are shut down and not drained just because some jack a** was tired of the noise. Those are my engines and keep your hands off CSX and I went through the training programs to operate them so again keep your f*cking hands off of them.

Rodney
Locomotive engineer BNSF
and that is just 1 reason brother... but after all the fall out that has taken place becouse of our standing that on this... reminds me of a little thing that happend to me one day on the job...it didnt have to do with shutting down an engin..but shows how some people that think they should be "allowed to get on the train" get when they are turend down
i was running a coal drag on my run..and "we" (my conductor) desided to stop and get some lunch becouse we where goign to be held in a siding for a while waiting on a train meet...so we stop the train..and tie it down... as we are walking over to the store...a man comes up to us and says...are those GE engins..and i say yes... and he says..i use to work for GE in thier accounting department...any chance i can go up inside and take a look.....we told him no...sorry..but we arent alowed to do that...and he goes off on the both of use..rambling on about he should be alowed to becouse he worked for GE and that was a GE engin or something.... he hounded us alll throught the store..***ing and crying becouse we wouldnt let him up on the engins...the point i guess im making is this.. it seems that eveyone anymore thinks they should know eveything about everything... and thats just not how it is....
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Posted by coborn35 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:38 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Rodney Beck

CSX you stay on that high horse and I will join you, I being a locomotive engineer just as you know what can happen to the engine when they are shut down. Some people just do not get it, locomotive engines do not have antifreeze in them because of the cost they will freeze up and cause major dammage if they are shut down and not drained just because some jack a** was tired of the noise. Those are my engines and keep your hands off CSX and I went through the training programs to operate them so again keep your f*cking hands off of them.

Rodney
Locomotive engineer BNSF

Exactly!
Anyone who works for Union Pacific and reads certain sheets of paper (im not disclosing which, you will know if you work for them) It TELLS employee's tey CANNOT answer "inncoent' questions so really, all the engineers (and me because I do start-up/shut-down/sometimes run) are doing, is well.....THEIR JOB!
And Kevin, mebbe your so sore because your NOT into engine service yet? WHAT makes you a god? Your a conductor/switchman! Not an engineer!
I garuntee you that if someone wanted to know how, they would check here, becasue, as is the case, some people cant keep their ***ed mouth shut.

And Kevin, WHAT THE HELL do you mean by:
QUOTE: I hope none of you, really ever ask yourself why people get mad at Engineers, try to skip crossings.. Just scroll up, and see if you can find an answer.
You think THATS why they race to the crossing? Beacuse their MAD at the ENGINEER? HELL NO! Its because tehy are impatient! You really think they are sitting in the car, waiting for a train to come, going "O BOY! Rodney is the engineer, hes an *** (just an example of course) im gonna go kill myself by dirving in front of him! My kids will never see me again, but hey, I HATE RODNEY!"
Your a dumbass if you think that!

And that remark about LC, man, you sure have a high horse to be saying that kind of stuff!
You know what, I bet YOU dont know how to shut a loco off! And if you look at your post about sneaking in, you sure as HELL dont!

Im off the [soapbox]

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 12:03 PM
Nowadays ,with secuirity being what it has to be,I can understand why this info has to be top secret,but does anyone know when a locomotive was stolen last.I KNOW OF ONE BACK IN 1862,. THEY MADE A MOVIE OUT OF IT,"tHE GREAT LOCOMOTIVE CHASE>" Easter
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Posted by Randy Stahl on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 9:35 AM
Hitting the EFCO was always good for a laugh or two , good initiation for the newbie !
Another fun trick was to hide in a trailing unit and hit the attendant call button as soon as the engineman started to notch her up . It is hilarious watching a fellow randomly push buttons to stop the bell , Naturally you would relaese the button os soon as the fellow opened the cab door , obviously he was going to look for an electrician. As soon as the bell stopped most guys would make another attempt , as soon as his butt hit the seat , pu***he button again ! After several minutes of laughing , the electrician would show up and of course the locomotive would work great.... until the victim was alone again!
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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:51 AM
Boy, if I am going to hit the fuel cut-off - I will need someone with me that can show me where it is. But I do like the rest of the scenario! Gotta think of another way to get them off the engine!

Mook!

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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:44 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by wabash1

rodney your alittle off base first off the engine wont freeze up for at least a day with 400 gallons of water it takes time.

kevin i dont care what the public thinks of engineers its never bothered me. when they try and beat me at crossings i give it another notch and try and catch them.

csx and rodney i see your point it would be great pain in the rear to have someone like mookie( sorry mook your the only one i can think of) run up and hit the fuel cut off then run back to her seat so she can watch your rear end while you get out their and crank your engines up. ( girls like that) and when your not watching she run up and do it again. better watch them ones with cell phones they will call a friend and have them cut your train so they can watch the conductors walk.....


Ed, that's funny. I think some of these cats need a rool bib.

Wabash, you're a meen ol codger! That's why I like you.

Mookie....dammit, I knew you were an Al Quada operative out to paralyze the RRs.
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Posted by Anonymous on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 8:12 AM
Yeah, you guys must be right.

If i were some kind of person wholived near a yard, I would come to a trains forum to ask for the proper directions on how to shut a locomotive so I could turn it down myself.

Say... that's exactly what I would do! I'd dress all in black, sneak into a yard, holding a white peice of paper (8.5 X 11 to be exact) of printed instructions, Id sneak intoa cab, turn on the lights, and look for all these switches and turn them off in sequential order, hopefully in the 10 minutes doing so, no patrol would be alerted by the fact there is a person dressed in black inside a well lit cab reading a peice of paper for 10 minutes trying to locate these buttons.

That's like taking directions on 'how to rob a bank' inside a bank then doing it...

Hey everyone! Give me all your money... wait let me consult my papaer to make sure i've said these words in correct sequential order... give.. me...all.. of...your.. money... uh-oh this sheet doesn't say please.. mrs. Teller.. should I say please.. did the person type this up have no manners or somehting, because i feel that please should be on there..

this one is going to break your heart, no one is going to use your instructions to REALLY 'turn off' a locomotive, I'm really sorry to tell you this.

If someone really wants to shut down a locomotive, they would be wanting to do it in less then 43 secondes. That is the national average for the time it takes to commit faceless, victimless crimes.

That would consist of dropping a match in the fuel tank, or blowing the thing up.

honestly, who the heck would sit there in the cab, when there not supposed to be there reading directions on how to shut a locomotive off.

They may as well bring a big Neon sign:

I'M NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE CAB, BUT I'M TRYING TO SHUT THE LOCOMOTIVE DOWN! IF YOU COULD HELP, THAT'S BE GREAT!

Yeah,i guess that is a little to much neon.

seriously, let's think about this for a few more minutes.
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Posted by wabash1 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 7:50 AM
rodney your alittle off base first off the engine wont freeze up for at least a day with 400 gallons of water it takes time.

kevin i dont care what the public thinks of engineers its never bothered me. when they try and beat me at crossings i give it another notch and try and catch them.

csx and rodney i see your point it would be great pain in the rear to have someone like mookie( sorry mook your the only one i can think of) run up and hit the fuel cut off then run back to her seat so she can watch your rear end while you get out their and crank your engines up. ( girls like that) and when your not watching she run up and do it again. better watch them ones with cell phones they will call a friend and have them cut your train so they can watch the conductors walk.....
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Posted by Rodney Beck on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 6:16 AM
CSX you stay on that high horse and I will join you, I being a locomotive engineer just as you know what can happen to the engine when they are shut down. Some people just do not get it, locomotive engines do not have antifreeze in them because of the cost they will freeze up and cause major dammage if they are shut down and not drained just because some jack a** was tired of the noise. Those are my engines and keep your hands off CSX and I went through the training programs to operate them so again keep your f*cking hands off of them.

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Posted by oltmannd on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:56 AM
How to shut down a locomotive is a safety issue. The buttons ain't painted red and stuck on the side of the locomotive where you can reach them from the ground for no reason!

The idea is that if something was wrong - that is anything from a fuel leak on the pressure side of the fuel pump, to a fire, to derailment - anyone, including emergency personnel who are not familiar with locomotives, could shut them down.

Anyone remember first gen. locos with mechanical fuel shutoff valves? Any still left out there or have they all be converted to electrical?

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Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 5:26 AM
Ken...
I think he was trying to say if a diesel rools a lot, you need to get it a bib....

Ed[:D]
QUOTE: Originally posted by ironken

QUOTE: Originally posted by Dutchrailnut

Lets just say that shutting off Diesel engines also kills the air compressor.
And if it rools/runs away someone's***is grass, don't ever trust handbrakes alone.


Huh?

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Posted by csxengineer98 on Tuesday, March 21, 2006 3:09 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by kevinstheRRman

You all have to be kidding me.

I've never read somehting more stupid in my life.
Well, actually, that one time I read that book by Paris hilton...

But aside from that, this is Eff'n stupid.

the most part of you are terrified.. to tell a a railfan how to 'turn off' a locomotive?

BigBoy Deleting his post, CSX engineer terrified about what he could unleash.

Is it national pre-emptive april fools day or somehting?

Last check, Google Turned over 1.6 Million seach resustls for Locomotive opperating instructions' and even more for manuals.

You know, it's people like the most part of you, that cause locomotives to be shot at, Driver impatiance because of your king-of-the-world attitude.

LC, I hope your overly proud of yourself. Can't answer because you don't know, eh? But it'snot jsut LC...

You know, perhaps it was the way I was raised, Perhaps it was the way I was educated, Or perhaps it's an influanceof my uncle Who has worked at CPR for 33 years, or it even might be the general environment Around headquarters.

I would never even dream of treating someone who posted an honest-toGod question with such disrespect.

None of the locomotive Engineers I know would treat anyone like a you've all successfully done. Because if it had been that way, I would still have been messing my trousers and also knowing I wouldn't want to step foot on the railraod as an employee, let alone

I hope none of you, really ever ask yourself why people get mad at Engineers, call you guys names, try to skip crossings.. Just scroll up, and see if you can find an answer.

BigBoy was right, before he Deleted his post anyway, why is everyone being so weird about it?

'Terrified' was a word I read.

I feel like David letterman; I can't beleieve What I am Writing.

I thought this site consisted of Grown adults that were able to provide legitimate answers to questions being posed.

If I asked any of you how to load a gun, because honestly, I have no clue, I gues you wouldn't tell me, right? Not that I want to know, but because of a misifre, I might come after you and you personaly liable, is that the reason?

You think that would fly?

That is pathetic, that is stupid, that is the dumbest thing I have honestly ever heard.

Based on this, Can I have an honest answer as to why the 'Stupid Question thread' was such a hit? You've mostly qualified For 'LC's stupid answer' thread.

I know the first thing that is going to come back is: It's a joke, sheeesh.

When someone asks an honest question, an honest answer is due. No exceptions. This is not the pentagon, and i didn't see the terms 'aliens' or 'Area 51' in the question.

You treat people like this, then you wonder 'why are people mad at me'?

You know,unlike the most of you, if you don't like what i've written at all, not only is my e-mail ON my profile, it is also a hyperlink in my signature. Click it, tell me how much you hate what I wrote, call me names because i've never heard them before, and we'll talk from there if you don't like the rules of this forum.

Here's a synopsis of my original argument:
Get real. get a grip, Oh and get off your high horse.


that is your oppion..and just like A-holes..eveyone has one... and you did a great job of showing us yours... as far as my high horse... i like sitting up in my "high horse" seat..looking down at some of you foamers that think you should know eveything about anything railroading with malcontemped..and i love it.....
also... for your FYI... becouse of sceurity reasons... aka railroad pesonel that have the job of looking over sights such as this for informtion leaks and what not... im not putting my job on the line to awnser someones question about anything that is too too much detail orianted with locomotive or train opporations... if they want to know that bad... then do like you said... go google it..but im not adding my 2 cents to the details..and infact...i still stand by my origianl statment that unless you work for the railroad..you dont have any real reason to know...
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 11:39 PM
If a diesel prime mover ever "runs away," that is where it uncontrollably revs, you can pull the coil wire out of the distributor and kill spark to all of the spark plugs. If that doesn't work, you can always pull the rubber fuel line off of the carb and let it run itself outta fuel. There, that's how you do it!
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Posted by jakebud on Monday, March 20, 2006 8:42 PM
I found this whole thread rather amusing, and annoying at the same time, and I really have to agree with Kevin above. I am an instructor pilot in the Air Force, flying the E-4B (Boeing 747-200), and if somebody asks me how turn it off, I'll tell them, and if I am gving a tour, I will show them how it is done. I am proud of what I do, and most of the folks out here pay for the equipment I use, I feel that it is my obligation to show them just what that stuff is and what it does. FYI, I felt the same way flying the B-1B and B-52G years ago!

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 7:54 PM
Hmmm, Kevin, you have a good point too. Well, it's to late to resurect my post. Maybe I'll write it again later, besides, how many people are gonna look on a train forum (how many people know they exist!?) to find out how to shut down a locomotive, when they could just look on a search engine, or just blow the locomotive up? Don't mean to sound harsh, but after reading what Kevin had to say, he's right, get real.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 7:44 PM
You all have to be kidding me.

I've never read somehting more stupid in my life.
Well, actually, that one time I read that book by Paris hilton...

But aside from that, this is Eff'n stupid.

the most part of you are terrified.. to tell a a railfan how to 'turn off' a locomotive?

BigBoy Deleting his post, CSX engineer terrified about what he could unleash.

Is it national pre-emptive april fools day or somehting?

Last check, Google Turned over 1.6 Million seach resustls for Locomotive opperating instructions' and even more for manuals.

You know, it's people like the most part of you, that cause locomotives to be shot at, Driver impatiance because of your king-of-the-world attitude.

LC, I hope your overly proud of yourself. Can't answer because you don't know, eh? But it'snot jsut LC...

You know, perhaps it was the way I was raised, Perhaps it was the way I was educated, Or perhaps it's an influanceof my uncle Who has worked at CPR for 33 years, or it even might be the general environment Around headquarters.

I would never even dream of treating someone who posted an honest-toGod question with such disrespect.

None of the locomotive Engineers I know would treat anyone like a you've all successfully done. Because if it had been that way, I would still have been messing my trousers and also knowing I wouldn't want to step foot on the railraod as an employee, let alone

I hope none of you, really ever ask yourself why people get mad at Engineers, call you guys names, try to skip crossings.. Just scroll up, and see if you can find an answer.

BigBoy was right, before he Deleted his post anyway, why is everyone being so weird about it?

'Terrified' was a word I read.

I feel like David letterman; I can't beleieve What I am Writing.

I thought this site consisted of Grown adults that were able to provide legitimate answers to questions being posed.

If I asked any of you how to load a gun, because honestly, I have no clue, I gues you wouldn't tell me, right? Not that I want to know, but because of a misifre, I might come after you and you personaly liable, is that the reason?

You think that would fly?

That is pathetic, that is stupid, that is the dumbest thing I have honestly ever heard.

Based on this, Can I have an honest answer as to why the 'Stupid Question thread' was such a hit? You've mostly qualified For 'LC's stupid answer' thread.

I know the first thing that is going to come back is: It's a joke, sheeesh.

When someone asks an honest question, an honest answer is due. No exceptions. This is not the pentagon, and i didn't see the terms 'aliens' or 'Area 51' in the question.

You treat people like this, then you wonder 'why are people mad at me'?

You know,unlike the most of you, if you don't like what i've written at all, not only is my e-mail ON my profile, it is also a hyperlink in my signature. Click it, tell me how much you hate what I wrote, call me names because i've never heard them before, and we'll talk from there if you don't like the rules of this forum.

Here's a synopsis of my original argument:
Get real. get a grip, Oh and get off your high horse.

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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 5:53 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by 4884bigboy

Hmmm, I guess you guys are right. Probably isn't a great idea. I'll go back and delete my post.


what year did you take engine promotion?
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 5:51 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Randy Stahl

Don't shut me down when I'm hot !!!! cool me off !!
Anyone remember that sticker ?


yep, had an engine with his tongue hanging out and sweating. I want one of those to put on my truck dash (diesel) so my wife will let the turbo spin down before she kills it.
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Posted by Anonymous on Monday, March 20, 2006 5:44 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Dutchrailnut

Lets just say that shutting off Diesel engines also kills the air compressor.
And if it rools/runs away someone's***is grass, don't ever trust handbrakes alone.


Huh?

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