QUOTE: Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737 I had no idea that the ATSF-MP-Southern talked about merging into one railroad, which Southern are you talking about? You're not talking about the Southern Pacific Railroad aren't you?
QUOTE: Originally posted by spbed If you need a ATSF fix look up my web site listed below http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Then go to the California Aug-Sept gallery & scroll down until you see Barstow & you will find a real/true ATSF war bonnet. [:)] Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737 [ Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:48 PM Southern Pacific was also a good railroad, I didn't even know that Union Pacific brought out the Southern Pacific Railroad until about 3-4 years after the merger, where was my mind heading into at the time. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:44 PM I wi***hat I can see that many engines on one train, I would like to go railfanning along Route 66 along the Santa Fe line. QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...With the mention of power above....one day in Kingman...I was having a bite to eat in a restaurant there on Andy Divine, the main drag through there...and Rt. 66 at the time and a Sante Fe freight came by eastbound and it had 9 engines on the head end and 3 more on the back....I couldn't believe what I was seeing...Impressive...!! Reply Edit chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:50 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Pssst...Rob Krebs [:I] Sorry Rob. It would be nice to have him on the forum ! You never know, he might be. Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:47 PM QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Pssst...Rob Krebs [:I] Sorry Rob. It would be nice to have him on the forum ! Dale Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:43 PM Pssst...Rob Krebs Reply nanaimo73 Member sinceApril 2005 From: Nanaimo BC Canada 4,117 posts Posted by nanaimo73 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:39 PM The ICC did the ATSF a big favor by rejecting the SPSF merger. The Santa Fe got to keep the non-rail assets (and Ray Krebs) and sold the falling giant to the Rio Grande. Back in the 1970s the ATSF and the MP talked merger, and the Southern and the MP did as well. An ATSF-MP-Southern merger would have created an awesome railroad. Dale Reply mloik Member sinceJanuary 2002 437 posts Posted by mloik on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 12:25 PM The father of one of my neighbors is about to retire from the AT&SF (he has 40+ years in T&E service). Needless to say, I love to spend time talking to him about his experiences. Hired out in the early 1960's. He loved the old company and considered it like a family. He has never liked the BNSF; he claims they came in and ruined everything with their corporate business model. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:29 AM ...With the mention of power above....one day in Kingman...I was having a bite to eat in a restaurant there on Andy Divine, the main drag through there...and Rt. 66 at the time and a Sante Fe freight came by eastbound and it had 9 engines on the head end and 3 more on the back....I couldn't believe what I was seeing...Impressive...!! Quentin Reply emdgp92 Member sinceDecember 2002 From: Pittsburgh, PA 1,261 posts Posted by emdgp92 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:08 AM How can we miss the Santa Fe...when it shows up in Trains or MR every month? [:D] Just kidding folks. I'm more of an "eastern" fan myself. Reply chad thomas Member sinceJanuary 2005 From: Ely, Nv. 6,312 posts Posted by chad thomas on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 10:04 AM Yes, I miss the Santa Fe. I am an SP man and always have been, But the Santa Fe was my 2nd favorite. All it took was spending a little time out in the desert on the transcon and I was hooked. How could you not be with the parade of hotshot intermodals flying by at 70 mph. And the variety of motive power was great. They had Cowls, GP20s & 30 mixing it up with GP60s / 60Ms, C30-7s, SD40-2s,SD45s, ect....It was common for a train to have a full 9 unit consist with no two engines the same. Unlike today where 90% of the power is the same -9 vomit bonnet. Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:59 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....The ones in use on the Sante Fe...Era: 1969-71, that I was watching them....seemed to osctllate either in a circle or as Tree says, a figure 8 pattern.....They REALLY drawed one's attention as it approached an area at night.....If they were to call attention to the train approaching, I'd say they did their job. Makes you wonder why they're not in use anymore? Mechanical nightmare. One or two motors, gears, moving wires. Flashing ditch lights are all solid state. Still, I liked them, too. IIRC they could be mesmerizing from the standpoint of the crew... Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:56 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....The ones in use on the Sante Fe...Era: 1969-71, that I was watching them....seemed to osctllate either in a circle or as Tree says, a figure 8 pattern.....They REALLY drawed one's attention as it approached an area at night.....If they were to call attention to the train approaching, I'd say they did their job. Makes you wonder why they're not in use anymore? Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Modelcar Member sinceFebruary 2002 From: Muncie, Indiana...Orig. from Pennsylvania 13,456 posts Posted by Modelcar on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:51 AM ....The ones in use on the Sante Fe...Era: 1969-71, that I was watching them....seemed to osctllate either in a circle or as Tree says, a figure 8 pattern.....They REALLY drawed one's attention as it approached an area at night.....If they were to call attention to the train approaching, I'd say they did their job. Quentin Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:43 AM If you need a ATSF fix look up my web site listed below http://vgalleries.com/members/railfan1/The+Trainfan.vrg Then go to the California Aug-Sept gallery & scroll down until you see Barstow & you will find a real/true ATSF war bonnet. [:)] Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating. So, did the light beam swing side-to-side,in a steady pattern? I understand the Mars light was there to make the train more visible to bystanders(?). I'm more curious what it looked like to the observer, as the train went down the track? Thanks There are/were a couple of different brands/types on the market. IIRC, one simply swung the beam in a circle. Another painted a figure 8. There's one in the emergency services world that oscillates up and down as it swings back and forth - more cycles than just a figure 8. I saw the lights in use on the IC in the 70's - Depending on where you are in the pattern you'll usually see a flash or two per cycle, usually in kind of a synchopated rhythm for the figure 8 lights. Two major manufacturers of the lights were Mars and Gyralight. On IC (and many others as well) the lights had a clear and a red bulb - the clear for normal ops, the red was for emergencies (ie, stopped on the tracks). IC (and others) also tried the "Oscitrol" which had three lamps stacked vertically, two clear and one red. I never saw the red used on that one, but the two clear lamps flashed alternately, like some ditch lights do today. SP's famous light cluster included a fixed headlight, an oscillating clear, and an oscillating red light. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating. So, did the light beam swing side-to-side,in a steady pattern? I understand the Mars light was there to make the train more visible to bystanders(?). I'm more curious what it looked like to the observer, as the train went down the track? Thanks Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:20 AM Were there also alot of the ATSF engines with the yellow and red trim? They seem to be alot rarer than the yellow/blue and the silver/red warbonnet. [ Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:18 AM BN was the railroad company I've had alot of great memories with, I used to watch the trains go by from my uncle's trailer on the BN line from Portland to Pasco over in Finley, Washington, I didn't really get involved with ATSFuntil a couple years ago. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:16 AM Before the mergers of all the railroad companies wasn't the ATSF Railroad the largest railroad company? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:13 AM A message to CNW8835, To admit it I also like the blue and yellow Santa Fe engine than the red and silver engine. [ Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:11 AM I remember feeling dissapointed when Burlington Northern merged into the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway, I was shocked about it, at first I couldn't get into the ATSF but now I can't get enough of them, I still wi***hat BN and ATSF are still two different railroad companies. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:09 AM I do know what you mean by what you said, I like it better when BN and ATSF were two different railroad companies, ATSF sure does get alot of recognition I can tell you that much, one railroad company I feel is underrated is the Missouri Pacific, nobody seems to talk about Mo-Pac anymore, Mo-Pac is also one of my favorite railroads. [ Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ...With the mention of power above....one day in Kingman...I was having a bite to eat in a restaurant there on Andy Divine, the main drag through there...and Rt. 66 at the time and a Sante Fe freight came by eastbound and it had 9 engines on the head end and 3 more on the back....I couldn't believe what I was seeing...Impressive...!!
QUOTE: Originally posted by nanaimo73 QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Pssst...Rob Krebs [:I] Sorry Rob. It would be nice to have him on the forum !
QUOTE: Originally posted by chad thomas Pssst...Rob Krebs
Quentin
QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....The ones in use on the Sante Fe...Era: 1969-71, that I was watching them....seemed to osctllate either in a circle or as Tree says, a figure 8 pattern.....They REALLY drawed one's attention as it approached an area at night.....If they were to call attention to the train approaching, I'd say they did their job. Makes you wonder why they're not in use anymore?
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar ....The ones in use on the Sante Fe...Era: 1969-71, that I was watching them....seemed to osctllate either in a circle or as Tree says, a figure 8 pattern.....They REALLY drawed one's attention as it approached an area at night.....If they were to call attention to the train approaching, I'd say they did their job.
Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it...
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Originally posted by UnionPacificRR6737 [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,924 posts Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 7:08 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating. So, did the light beam swing side-to-side,in a steady pattern? I understand the Mars light was there to make the train more visible to bystanders(?). I'm more curious what it looked like to the observer, as the train went down the track? Thanks There are/were a couple of different brands/types on the market. IIRC, one simply swung the beam in a circle. Another painted a figure 8. There's one in the emergency services world that oscillates up and down as it swings back and forth - more cycles than just a figure 8. I saw the lights in use on the IC in the 70's - Depending on where you are in the pattern you'll usually see a flash or two per cycle, usually in kind of a synchopated rhythm for the figure 8 lights. Two major manufacturers of the lights were Mars and Gyralight. On IC (and many others as well) the lights had a clear and a red bulb - the clear for normal ops, the red was for emergencies (ie, stopped on the tracks). IC (and others) also tried the "Oscitrol" which had three lamps stacked vertically, two clear and one red. I never saw the red used on that one, but the two clear lamps flashed alternately, like some ditch lights do today. SP's famous light cluster included a fixed headlight, an oscillating clear, and an oscillating red light. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Murphy Siding Member sinceMay 2005 From: S.E. South Dakota 13,567 posts Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 6:51 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating. So, did the light beam swing side-to-side,in a steady pattern? I understand the Mars light was there to make the train more visible to bystanders(?). I'm more curious what it looked like to the observer, as the train went down the track? Thanks Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar. Reply Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:20 AM Were there also alot of the ATSF engines with the yellow and red trim? They seem to be alot rarer than the yellow/blue and the silver/red warbonnet. [ Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:18 AM BN was the railroad company I've had alot of great memories with, I used to watch the trains go by from my uncle's trailer on the BN line from Portland to Pasco over in Finley, Washington, I didn't really get involved with ATSFuntil a couple years ago. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:16 AM Before the mergers of all the railroad companies wasn't the ATSF Railroad the largest railroad company? Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:13 AM A message to CNW8835, To admit it I also like the blue and yellow Santa Fe engine than the red and silver engine. [ Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:11 AM I remember feeling dissapointed when Burlington Northern merged into the Burlington Northern Santa Fe Railway, I was shocked about it, at first I couldn't get into the ATSF but now I can't get enough of them, I still wi***hat BN and ATSF are still two different railroad companies. Reply Edit Anonymous Member sinceApril 2003 305,205 posts Posted by Anonymous on Wednesday, December 28, 2005 3:09 AM I do know what you mean by what you said, I like it better when BN and ATSF were two different railroad companies, ATSF sure does get alot of recognition I can tell you that much, one railroad company I feel is underrated is the Missouri Pacific, nobody seems to talk about Mo-Pac anymore, Mo-Pac is also one of my favorite railroads. [ Reply Edit 123 Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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QUOTE: Originally posted by Murphy Siding QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating. So, did the light beam swing side-to-side,in a steady pattern? I understand the Mars light was there to make the train more visible to bystanders(?). I'm more curious what it looked like to the observer, as the train went down the track? Thanks
QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar MS....I never did see a Mars light in detail {to see the design of it}, but just from what I did see in the operation of them, I'd say the light was mounted {inside the inclosure}, on an angle and then the mount itself rotated swinging the light in a very wide projected angle...It would shine on the trees there in Kingman as it approached the depot....but of course while rotating.
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