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Originally posted by ajmiller Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ajmiller Member sinceOctober 2003 From: State College PA 344 posts Posted by ajmiller on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] He said it pulled back onto the main, not that it backed onto the main. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:25 AM Yes your theroy of not hanging on to the hind end has merit to it. [:o)] Clocking out was abused where I worked so they went to a fingerprint system which meant only the match to the fingerprint on file could clock in & out. [:p][:p] I certainly presumed if you start at point A & you are in local duty you must return to the same place to clock out [:o)][:o)] I was only asking based on what I observed on the cam. [:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM In answer to your question, the crewman is probably getting into a company-provided car to be given a ride back to the yard where he went on duty, just to avoid having to hang onto the hind end of that train for the couple of miles through town, or a long walk to the head end, possibly with grade crossings blocked (I don't think they make 'em as tough as we used to be!). MC, please breathe easy in this one--I don't see the evidence of a blind shoving move. As for tying up (or what you call "clocking out"), it's done by yard crews at their on-duty point (road crews can tie up at a designated away-from-home terminal). Even when the Hours of Service expire, you're on duty ("tow-in") until you reach the terminal and tie up. Also, do not assume that just because an employee gets into a car he's done working, or that you know how long he's been on duty. They might be positioning him for the next move. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:55 AM Sorry for the loss. Do you have any idea how this crewman gets clocked out when he hops into the passenger side of a auto waiting on the N/side of the UPRR tracks at the diamond after closing the switch[?][?] Yesterday after closing the switch the train appeared to go on its way & 2 crewman stayed behind & then started walking down the tracks some minutes after the train departed & I wondered how they get clocked out as for sure they were not returning with the engines to the yard or another move. [?][?] Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,820 posts Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:10 AM No do not think as he hopped off the engine to open the switch. It was after 1500 hours so I would say day was done. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Dutchrailnut Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Brewster, NY 648 posts Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:49 AM Maybe the crew member uses his own car to next move, to open next switch. a brakeman can use any means to do his job. it sounds like your just trying to get these crews in trouble however. I don't think its your duty to keep track of how employees do their jobs. Every timetable has a entire page of weedweasels in it, they don't need railfans trying to supervise traincrews. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts How Does One Clock Out? Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM If you watch the Rochelle can you will see the BNSF "local" picking up & delivering cars to the yard beyond the trees you cannot see. Once they are completed the local pulls back onto the mainline & after the crewman realigns the switch to straight the train pulls away WITHOUT the crewman. That crewman crosses the tracks hops in a car that has been waiting there & departs. So the question is who clocks him out where he clocked in as he did travel back to the yard where he started[?] Is this behavior allowed on the BNSF also[?] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ajmiller Member sinceOctober 2003 From: State College PA 344 posts Posted by ajmiller on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] He said it pulled back onto the main, not that it backed onto the main. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:25 AM Yes your theroy of not hanging on to the hind end has merit to it. [:o)] Clocking out was abused where I worked so they went to a fingerprint system which meant only the match to the fingerprint on file could clock in & out. [:p][:p] I certainly presumed if you start at point A & you are in local duty you must return to the same place to clock out [:o)][:o)] I was only asking based on what I observed on the cam. [:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM In answer to your question, the crewman is probably getting into a company-provided car to be given a ride back to the yard where he went on duty, just to avoid having to hang onto the hind end of that train for the couple of miles through town, or a long walk to the head end, possibly with grade crossings blocked (I don't think they make 'em as tough as we used to be!). MC, please breathe easy in this one--I don't see the evidence of a blind shoving move. As for tying up (or what you call "clocking out"), it's done by yard crews at their on-duty point (road crews can tie up at a designated away-from-home terminal). Even when the Hours of Service expire, you're on duty ("tow-in") until you reach the terminal and tie up. Also, do not assume that just because an employee gets into a car he's done working, or that you know how long he's been on duty. They might be positioning him for the next move. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:55 AM Sorry for the loss. Do you have any idea how this crewman gets clocked out when he hops into the passenger side of a auto waiting on the N/side of the UPRR tracks at the diamond after closing the switch[?][?] Yesterday after closing the switch the train appeared to go on its way & 2 crewman stayed behind & then started walking down the tracks some minutes after the train departed & I wondered how they get clocked out as for sure they were not returning with the engines to the yard or another move. [?][?] Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,820 posts Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:10 AM No do not think as he hopped off the engine to open the switch. It was after 1500 hours so I would say day was done. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Dutchrailnut Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Brewster, NY 648 posts Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:49 AM Maybe the crew member uses his own car to next move, to open next switch. a brakeman can use any means to do his job. it sounds like your just trying to get these crews in trouble however. I don't think its your duty to keep track of how employees do their jobs. Every timetable has a entire page of weedweasels in it, they don't need railfans trying to supervise traincrews. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts How Does One Clock Out? Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM If you watch the Rochelle can you will see the BNSF "local" picking up & delivering cars to the yard beyond the trees you cannot see. Once they are completed the local pulls back onto the mainline & after the crewman realigns the switch to straight the train pulls away WITHOUT the crewman. That crewman crosses the tracks hops in a car that has been waiting there & departs. So the question is who clocks him out where he clocked in as he did travel back to the yard where he started[?] Is this behavior allowed on the BNSF also[?] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. 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QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V]
Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM In answer to your question, the crewman is probably getting into a company-provided car to be given a ride back to the yard where he went on duty, just to avoid having to hang onto the hind end of that train for the couple of miles through town, or a long walk to the head end, possibly with grade crossings blocked (I don't think they make 'em as tough as we used to be!). MC, please breathe easy in this one--I don't see the evidence of a blind shoving move. As for tying up (or what you call "clocking out"), it's done by yard crews at their on-duty point (road crews can tie up at a designated away-from-home terminal). Even when the Hours of Service expire, you're on duty ("tow-in") until you reach the terminal and tie up. Also, do not assume that just because an employee gets into a car he's done working, or that you know how long he's been on duty. They might be positioning him for the next move. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:55 AM Sorry for the loss. Do you have any idea how this crewman gets clocked out when he hops into the passenger side of a auto waiting on the N/side of the UPRR tracks at the diamond after closing the switch[?][?] Yesterday after closing the switch the train appeared to go on its way & 2 crewman stayed behind & then started walking down the tracks some minutes after the train departed & I wondered how they get clocked out as for sure they were not returning with the engines to the yard or another move. [?][?] Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,820 posts Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:10 AM No do not think as he hopped off the engine to open the switch. It was after 1500 hours so I would say day was done. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Dutchrailnut Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Brewster, NY 648 posts Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:49 AM Maybe the crew member uses his own car to next move, to open next switch. a brakeman can use any means to do his job. it sounds like your just trying to get these crews in trouble however. I don't think its your duty to keep track of how employees do their jobs. Every timetable has a entire page of weedweasels in it, they don't need railfans trying to supervise traincrews. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts How Does One Clock Out? Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM If you watch the Rochelle can you will see the BNSF "local" picking up & delivering cars to the yard beyond the trees you cannot see. Once they are completed the local pulls back onto the mainline & after the crewman realigns the switch to straight the train pulls away WITHOUT the crewman. That crewman crosses the tracks hops in a car that has been waiting there & departs. So the question is who clocks him out where he clocked in as he did travel back to the yard where he started[?] Is this behavior allowed on the BNSF also[?] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,820 posts Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 8:10 AM No do not think as he hopped off the engine to open the switch. It was after 1500 hours so I would say day was done. [:o)][:D][:)] Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Dutchrailnut Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Brewster, NY 648 posts Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:49 AM Maybe the crew member uses his own car to next move, to open next switch. a brakeman can use any means to do his job. it sounds like your just trying to get these crews in trouble however. I don't think its your duty to keep track of how employees do their jobs. Every timetable has a entire page of weedweasels in it, they don't need railfans trying to supervise traincrews. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts How Does One Clock Out? Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM If you watch the Rochelle can you will see the BNSF "local" picking up & delivering cars to the yard beyond the trees you cannot see. Once they are completed the local pulls back onto the mainline & after the crewman realigns the switch to straight the train pulls away WITHOUT the crewman. That crewman crosses the tracks hops in a car that has been waiting there & departs. So the question is who clocks him out where he clocked in as he did travel back to the yard where he started[?] Is this behavior allowed on the BNSF also[?] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Dutchrailnut Member sinceMarch 2005 From: Brewster, NY 648 posts Posted by Dutchrailnut on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 7:49 AM Maybe the crew member uses his own car to next move, to open next switch. a brakeman can use any means to do his job. it sounds like your just trying to get these crews in trouble however. I don't think its your duty to keep track of how employees do their jobs. Every timetable has a entire page of weedweasels in it, they don't need railfans trying to supervise traincrews. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts How Does One Clock Out? Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 6:41 AM If you watch the Rochelle can you will see the BNSF "local" picking up & delivering cars to the yard beyond the trees you cannot see. Once they are completed the local pulls back onto the mainline & after the crewman realigns the switch to straight the train pulls away WITHOUT the crewman. That crewman crosses the tracks hops in a car that has been waiting there & departs. So the question is who clocks him out where he clocked in as he did travel back to the yard where he started[?] Is this behavior allowed on the BNSF also[?] Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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