Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub
Originally posted by Dutchrailnut Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply mudchicken Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Denver / La Junta 10,790 posts Posted by mudchicken on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:03 AM I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 9:55 AM Sorry for the loss. Do you have any idea how this crewman gets clocked out when he hops into the passenger side of a auto waiting on the N/side of the UPRR tracks at the diamond after closing the switch[?][?] Yesterday after closing the switch the train appeared to go on its way & 2 crewman stayed behind & then started walking down the tracks some minutes after the train departed & I wondered how they get clocked out as for sure they were not returning with the engines to the yard or another move. [?][?] Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM In answer to your question, the crewman is probably getting into a company-provided car to be given a ride back to the yard where he went on duty, just to avoid having to hang onto the hind end of that train for the couple of miles through town, or a long walk to the head end, possibly with grade crossings blocked (I don't think they make 'em as tough as we used to be!). MC, please breathe easy in this one--I don't see the evidence of a blind shoving move. As for tying up (or what you call "clocking out"), it's done by yard crews at their on-duty point (road crews can tie up at a designated away-from-home terminal). Even when the Hours of Service expire, you're on duty ("tow-in") until you reach the terminal and tie up. Also, do not assume that just because an employee gets into a car he's done working, or that you know how long he's been on duty. They might be positioning him for the next move. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:25 AM Yes your theroy of not hanging on to the hind end has merit to it. [:o)] Clocking out was abused where I worked so they went to a fingerprint system which meant only the match to the fingerprint on file could clock in & out. [:p][:p] I certainly presumed if you start at point A & you are in local duty you must return to the same place to clock out [:o)][:o)] I was only asking based on what I observed on the cam. [:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ajmiller Member sinceOctober 2003 From: State College PA 344 posts Posted by ajmiller on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] He said it pulled back onto the main, not that it backed onto the main. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:57 AM Yes the train I saw yesterday was being pulled onto the main line not pushed onto the main line. [:o)][:p][:D] Originally posted by ajmiller Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:52 PM I know Ed has told me before about a blind reverse move, but duh - I forgot. Can someone explain it to me again? Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,888 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:02 PM Mookie - Unless I miss my guess, it's pushing cars "blind." The proper action would be for someone to hang off the last (first for the move) car to spot hazards ahead. That's one reason why you still see cabeese - known, regular long reverse moves. Instead of hanging off a car, the conductor can stand on the platform of the caboose. I regularly see/hear the cab company used locally by CSX being called to assist with moves, resetting switches, etc. For that matter the local TM (who often helps the crews with assembling outgoing trains were I work) drives an unremarkable pickup. I know who he is and recognize his vehicle, but an outsider wouldn't know. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:38 PM Thanx Tree - I can't imagine why you would ever do something like that. Unless you only have one car, do you just go until it sounds expensive? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. 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Originally posted by mudchicken [ Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply CShaveRR Member sinceJune 2001 From: Lombard (west of Chicago), Illinois 13,681 posts Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:17 AM In answer to your question, the crewman is probably getting into a company-provided car to be given a ride back to the yard where he went on duty, just to avoid having to hang onto the hind end of that train for the couple of miles through town, or a long walk to the head end, possibly with grade crossings blocked (I don't think they make 'em as tough as we used to be!). MC, please breathe easy in this one--I don't see the evidence of a blind shoving move. As for tying up (or what you call "clocking out"), it's done by yard crews at their on-duty point (road crews can tie up at a designated away-from-home terminal). Even when the Hours of Service expire, you're on duty ("tow-in") until you reach the terminal and tie up. Also, do not assume that just because an employee gets into a car he's done working, or that you know how long he's been on duty. They might be positioning him for the next move. Carl Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!) CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM) Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:25 AM Yes your theroy of not hanging on to the hind end has merit to it. [:o)] Clocking out was abused where I worked so they went to a fingerprint system which meant only the match to the fingerprint on file could clock in & out. [:p][:p] I certainly presumed if you start at point A & you are in local duty you must return to the same place to clock out [:o)][:o)] I was only asking based on what I observed on the cam. [:p][:)] Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ajmiller Member sinceOctober 2003 From: State College PA 344 posts Posted by ajmiller on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] He said it pulled back onto the main, not that it backed onto the main. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:57 AM Yes the train I saw yesterday was being pulled onto the main line not pushed onto the main line. [:o)][:p][:D] Originally posted by ajmiller Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:52 PM I know Ed has told me before about a blind reverse move, but duh - I forgot. Can someone explain it to me again? Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,888 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:02 PM Mookie - Unless I miss my guess, it's pushing cars "blind." The proper action would be for someone to hang off the last (first for the move) car to spot hazards ahead. That's one reason why you still see cabeese - known, regular long reverse moves. Instead of hanging off a car, the conductor can stand on the platform of the caboose. I regularly see/hear the cab company used locally by CSX being called to assist with moves, resetting switches, etc. For that matter the local TM (who often helps the crews with assembling outgoing trains were I work) drives an unremarkable pickup. I know who he is and recognize his vehicle, but an outsider wouldn't know. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:38 PM Thanx Tree - I can't imagine why you would ever do something like that. Unless you only have one car, do you just go until it sounds expensive? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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Originally posted by CShaveRR Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply ajmiller Member sinceOctober 2003 From: State College PA 344 posts Posted by ajmiller on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 10:36 AM QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V] He said it pulled back onto the main, not that it backed onto the main. Reply spbed Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Austin TX 4,941 posts Posted by spbed on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 11:57 AM Yes the train I saw yesterday was being pulled onto the main line not pushed onto the main line. [:o)][:p][:D] Originally posted by ajmiller Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:52 PM I know Ed has told me before about a blind reverse move, but duh - I forgot. Can someone explain it to me again? Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,888 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:02 PM Mookie - Unless I miss my guess, it's pushing cars "blind." The proper action would be for someone to hang off the last (first for the move) car to spot hazards ahead. That's one reason why you still see cabeese - known, regular long reverse moves. Instead of hanging off a car, the conductor can stand on the platform of the caboose. I regularly see/hear the cab company used locally by CSX being called to assist with moves, resetting switches, etc. For that matter the local TM (who often helps the crews with assembling outgoing trains were I work) drives an unremarkable pickup. I know who he is and recognize his vehicle, but an outsider wouldn't know. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:38 PM Thanx Tree - I can't imagine why you would ever do something like that. Unless you only have one car, do you just go until it sounds expensive? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
QUOTE: Originally posted by mudchicken I do not want to hear this especially from BNSF. If there is a blind reverse move in here, I really do not want to hear this. I lost a neighbor in 1993 because of this kind of stunt on ATSF at Tomah, CO. Halley Mays, I have not forgotten. [V][V][V]
Originally posted by ajmiller Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:52 PM I know Ed has told me before about a blind reverse move, but duh - I forgot. Can someone explain it to me again? Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,888 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:02 PM Mookie - Unless I miss my guess, it's pushing cars "blind." The proper action would be for someone to hang off the last (first for the move) car to spot hazards ahead. That's one reason why you still see cabeese - known, regular long reverse moves. Instead of hanging off a car, the conductor can stand on the platform of the caboose. I regularly see/hear the cab company used locally by CSX being called to assist with moves, resetting switches, etc. For that matter the local TM (who often helps the crews with assembling outgoing trains were I work) drives an unremarkable pickup. I know who he is and recognize his vehicle, but an outsider wouldn't know. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:38 PM Thanx Tree - I can't imagine why you would ever do something like that. Unless you only have one car, do you just go until it sounds expensive? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
Originally posted by mudchicken Living nearby to MP 186 of the UPRR Austin TX Sub Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 12:52 PM I know Ed has told me before about a blind reverse move, but duh - I forgot. Can someone explain it to me again? Moo She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply tree68 Member sinceDecember 2001 From: Northern New York 24,888 posts Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:02 PM Mookie - Unless I miss my guess, it's pushing cars "blind." The proper action would be for someone to hang off the last (first for the move) car to spot hazards ahead. That's one reason why you still see cabeese - known, regular long reverse moves. Instead of hanging off a car, the conductor can stand on the platform of the caboose. I regularly see/hear the cab company used locally by CSX being called to assist with moves, resetting switches, etc. For that matter the local TM (who often helps the crews with assembling outgoing trains were I work) drives an unremarkable pickup. I know who he is and recognize his vehicle, but an outsider wouldn't know. Larry Resident Microferroequinologist (at least at my house) Everyone goes home; Safety begins with you My Opinion. Standard Disclaimers Apply. No Expiration Date Come ride the rails with me! There's one thing about humility - the moment you think you've got it, you've lost it... Reply Mookie Member sinceJune 2001 From: US 13,488 posts Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 1:38 PM Thanx Tree - I can't imagine why you would ever do something like that. Unless you only have one car, do you just go until it sounds expensive? Doesn't sound like a good plan to me! She who has no signature! cinscocom-tmw Reply Join our Community! Our community is FREE to join. To participate you must either login or register for an account. Login » Register » Search the Community Newsletter Sign-Up By signing up you may also receive occasional reader surveys and special offers from Trains magazine.Please view our privacy policy More great sites from Kalmbach Media Terms Of Use | Privacy Policy | Copyright Policy
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