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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, August 3, 2023 6:18 PM

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Don't know that a college degree is required. 

For many agencies, it is, simply to apply.

Around here, many of the part-time small village police forces are staffed by officers employed with other agencies, or retirees from such agencies.

Given the continually changing landscape, continuing ed is definitely a must.

We're seeing it in the fire service.  The recent solar farm battery fire opened a lot of eyes.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, August 3, 2023 5:51 PM

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The days of just giving someone who seems relatively stable a badge and a gun are past.  Nowadays, a college degree is a requirement.

Don't know that a college degree is required.  That being said, give one a badge and a Cliff's Notes version of all the laws the officer is expected to enforce and putting them out in the general population with minimal supervision is not the way to go, as it once was in the past.

Departments need to have in service continuing education about the various aspects of humanity in law enforcement along with self protection and the gravity of being equipped with a firearm.

The days of Deputy Barnie Fyfe and his single bullet were a myth in the day and are far gone from today.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, August 3, 2023 4:59 PM

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The number of law suits and wrongful deaths among the population as the results of police actions indicates that the level of training police are gettting is wholly inadequate.  Far too many police SEEM to have been selected from those who would fit the definition of a bully in high school.  

My father was a reserve police officer from 1954 until his untimely death in 1970 (two packs of Pall Malls a day, fatty diet, etc).

I said years ago that he would not have done well in the world of law enforcement in the succeeding years.  Not because he was a bully, but because the days of "yes, sir," "no, sir," were drawing to a close.

Police officers today are expected to be psychologists and a host of other skill sets that weren't necessary in 1970.  I believe that their training is trying to address that, at least in major agencies.

The days of just giving someone who seems relatively stable a badge and a gun are past.  Nowadays, a college degree is a requirement.

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Posted by BaltACD on Thursday, August 3, 2023 4:00 PM

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That's what training is for. In the military, law enforcement, and the intel community, training courses are designed to put trainees under constant stress so they trust their training and don't succumb to tunnel vision when they face it in real life.

I have never been involved in law enforcement, other than informal conversations with railroad police (who in many jurisdictions have FULL police powers) in the performance of my duties both in the field and in divisional and headquarters settings.  

As a result of those conversations with company police, many of whom were former local, metropolitan or state police, it sounded as is most of their training was dedicated to the gun range more than other aspects of their jobs.

If your primary tool is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

The number of law suits and wrongful deaths among the population as the results of police actions indicates that the level of training police are gettting is wholly inadequate.  Far too many police SEEM to have been selected from those who would fit the definition of a bully in high school.  

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Posted by Psychot on Thursday, August 3, 2023 2:06 PM

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They become ultra focused on one element of the situation to the exclusion of all others

 

I agree.

I can't imagine the mental strain of a chase, knowing that when you finally confront the person, they may pull a gun and kill you.

It was dark, she hadn't parked the car there, she's taking a person to the car who was not cooperating, and she was focused completely on that situation.

We can't understand how someone would miss seeing the railroad track.  It's easy to say that when we're not facing the dangerous life and death situation.

 

 

That's what training is for. In the military, law enforcement, and the intel community, training courses are designed to put trainees under constant stress so they trust their training and don't succumb to tunnel vision when they face it in real life. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:44 PM

There were two police officers present.. apparently neither of them was  "situationally aware". Not sure what happened to the other officer.. if he/she was fired or disciplined. Call me nuts I guess, but my sympathy lies with Ms. Rios Gonzalez who was severely injured and hadn't at that point  even been convicted of any wrongdoing. The two officers should be fired. 

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Posted by Perry Babin on Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:43 PM

+1 for the ASP videos. 

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:39 PM

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They are super professional.  Other LE agencies should follow their example.

Suspect runs. 20 seconds later: PIT maneuver. Don't even have to edit down their chases for a TikTok video. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, August 3, 2023 12:34 PM

Once the woman was arrested, the threat disappeared.  I've been watching some Arkansas State Police videos on the Youtube channels Police Pursuits and Arkansas Police Activity.  They are super professional.  Other LE agencies should follow their example.

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Posted by York1 on Thursday, August 3, 2023 11:44 AM

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They become ultra focused on one element of the situation to the exclusion of all others

I agree.

I can't imagine the mental strain of a chase, knowing that when you finally confront the person, they may pull a gun and kill you.

It was dark, she hadn't parked the car there, she's taking a person to the car who was not cooperating, and she was focused completely on that situation.

We can't understand how someone would miss seeing the railroad track.  It's easy to say that when we're not facing the dangerous life and death situation.

 

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, August 3, 2023 10:23 AM
Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, August 2, 2023 12:23 AM

tree68

  EXACTLY !   The applicable term is SITUATIONAL AWARENESS....

Several yeears back, there was a Forum Thread here,in regards to the AMTRAK train, and that Detroit Firetruck .....

 

 


 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 6:28 PM

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 4:58 PM

In my experiences - too many police/first responders get themselves lost in 'the thrill of the chase' mentality upon coming on a scene that requires their interaction with the event.  They become ultra focused on one element of the situation to the exclusion of all others - in too many cases everyone pays the price for them not properly assessing the entire situation and taking proper preventive actions.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 2:44 PM

Kinda hard to test for every possible situation.  

But - situational awareness should have said that parking on the tracks was a bad idea.  If she's been around long, she should have known that it's an active track.

We get "scene is safe" drilled into our heads in EMS.  

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:57 PM

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I wonder how she even got hired.. don't they have tests to weed out people who are clearly imbiciles?

 

 

 

Imbecile?

 

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:54 PM

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I wonder how she even got hired.. don't they have tests to weed out people who are clearly imbiciles?

 

Imbecile?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, August 1, 2023 12:51 PM

I wonder how she even got hired.. don't they have tests to weed out people who are clearly imbiciles?

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Posted by Backshop on Saturday, July 29, 2023 7:38 PM

She should be fired.  Her situational awareness sucks.

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Posted by Perry Babin on Saturday, July 29, 2023 3:57 PM

She should never be put in another patrol car. Desk duty until she retires or quits. 

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At a loss for words........
Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, July 29, 2023 3:46 PM

I hate to second guess the police when it comes to safety around trains but I am just at a loss for words how this could even happen...........

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/verdict-reached-trial-cop-placed-202600819.html

 

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