https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wM8KzypkbIw
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NSran another 054 hi wide dimensional train. Just left Burns Harbor and passed the Chesterton web cam at 125pm (5/23).
That is at least 3 this month. May 9th with 45 cars. May 14th (didnt see) and today with 36 cars...same as previous trains with steel sheets.
Ed
Backshop CSSHEGEWISCH Backshop Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever. They're not ships, they're boats. Yeah, I know. I saw four boats yesterday in Lake Erie while I was attempting (unsuccessfully), to coax some walleyes to bite. The Ashtabula/Defiance, Algoma Innovator, Thunder Bay and Capt Henry Jackman.
CSSHEGEWISCH Backshop Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever. They're not ships, they're boats.
Backshop Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever.
Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever.
They're not ships, they're boats.
Yeah, I know. I saw four boats yesterday in Lake Erie while I was attempting (unsuccessfully), to coax some walleyes to bite. The Ashtabula/Defiance, Algoma Innovator, Thunder Bay and Capt Henry Jackman.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexl-xvE0Sc
Speaking of Great Lakes boats...the Mark W. Barker, just launched last year and the only new US boat in the last 40 years, ran hard aground in the Detroit River last night. I heard it had a steering gear malfunction. The bow was only 30ft offshore right by the parking lot of the Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle. They freed it while I was down there. The first ship that passed her was the Alpena, the oldest boat on the Lakes that is self propelled IIRC.
There was in fact a 054 last night. I heard scanner chatter but it had not left Burns Harbor by the time I shut down. It was ready to go at 700pm but a parade of Amtrak and hot van trains held it, then a van train hit a vehicle which shut everything down.
Vern:Thanks for info. BTW, when did it pass thru Binghamton? Just curious of the elapsed time to travel from Burns Harbor to Binghamton.
Also, what would the routing from Binghamton to Norfolk be? Looking at NS map, they appear to have trackage/haulage rights down to Wilkes Barre and on to Harrisburg. MyNS map is several years old and shows that as CP.
Just thought I heard on scanner another 054 doubling in the Burns Harbor yard. Might have been a similar symbol. time will tell.
Those aren't 3 thick slabs. I got a close look as the train was in Binghamton. They're 3 sets of 5 one-inch plates. Word from a freind's son at NS says they go to the Norfolk area for the shipbuilding industry.
Train 054 shifted from the Pennsy route to the Southern Tier east of Cleveland following the East Palestine derailment and it apoears a temporary reroute may now be permanant.
tree68 CSSHEGEWISCH I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system. They aren't building many lakers these days. It was quite the event when one was launched last year. It's been said that there won't be any more "footers" built. There are, IIRC, 13 on the lakes now (that's ships 1000' or longer).
CSSHEGEWISCH I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.
They aren't building many lakers these days. It was quite the event when one was launched last year.
It's been said that there won't be any more "footers" built. There are, IIRC, 13 on the lakes now (that's ships 1000' or longer).
CSSHEGEWISCHI would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.
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BaltACD I was watching a 'Modern Marvels' show on the Ruku Channel from approximately 2005. The episode I was watching stated that there were SIX shipbuilding outfits in the US, down from 22 that existed in the 1980's. I am not in a position to confirm or deny any of those numbers.
I was watching a 'Modern Marvels' show on the Ruku Channel from approximately 2005. The episode I was watching stated that there were SIX shipbuilding outfits in the US, down from 22 that existed in the 1980's.
I am not in a position to confirm or deny any of those numbers.
I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.
These dimensional trains are very interesting...big steel which seem to be running regularly.
Thanks for replies.
True, but due the extensive rebuild process, new steel would be needed due the different configuration of the sub.
caldreamer The third type are the SSGN cruise missile submarines. They use the Ohio class SSBN bodies, but are designed to launch cruise missles. They carry 154 tomahawk cruise missiles. If the missiles are nuclear armed, each has a 100 kiloton warhead, Conventional warheads of various types and yields can be used as well.
The third type are the SSGN cruise missile submarines. They use the Ohio class SSBN bodies, but are designed to launch cruise missles. They carry 154 tomahawk cruise missiles. If the missiles are nuclear armed, each has a 100 kiloton warhead, Conventional warheads of various types and yields can be used as well.
caldreamer Do not forget the Electric Boat plant in Groton, Connetcut where they build all three types of submarines. They need steel plate for those boats.
Do not forget the Electric Boat plant in Groton, Connetcut where they build all three types of submarines. They need steel plate for those boats.
Today (May 9), NS ran another 054 out of Burns Harbor, departing at 635am.
One motor NS 4431 and a buffer car - NS orange hopper car with ballast then 45 bulkhead or flat cars. Each car had 3 big steel sheets, estimated 2" - 3" thick and about 40 ft long...all appeared to be uniform in size. These trains appear to be running about every 18 days, or at least what I am observing.
Earlier comment about ship building seems to make sense with the thick sheets. Anyone know how thick steel sheets are on large boats?Ed
2 views many years ago so please excuse if memories are faulty.
1. 4 cars with 2 having switch track panels at 60 degree slant and other 2 cars with apparently connecting tracks for some double track layout?
2. Maybe years later 3 heavy duty Trailer train flats ( 8 axel ? ) with steel plates starting almost at rail height installed at some angle then almost as high as a double stack. Had idler cars between each car and on ends as well. Length of plate ???
All I can say is that I'm so thankful they didn't put this stuff on the highways ~ !
Thanks for replies and discussion.
These 054 dimension trains seem to be running about every 2-3 weeks.
Now, that would be an interesting topic for a Trains Magazine article...how these hi-wides are moved, particularly on heavy traffic mains.
Always love to see those big depressed center flat cars movements also.
Actually, in today's railroad environment, I enjoy noticing the cars more than the locomotives, particularly today's general freight trains (boxcar trains).
ed
The Case equipment for export came out of Grand Island NE. I seem to recall some John Deere tractors out of Waterloo IA going east for export.
Jeff
BaltACDAnd damaged it in the process I understand.
It's the same Navy that backed a ship into the USS Arizona Memorial and damaged it. How you can do that against a ship that has not moved since it sunk in WWII is beyond my comprehension but I digress....
Almost took out a tug...
CMStPnP BaltACD it may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA. Not sure if it is made of steel or not but the U.S. Navy just launched the LCS USS Cleveland last Monday from Marinette, WI.
BaltACD it may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA.
Not sure if it is made of steel or not but the U.S. Navy just launched the LCS USS Cleveland last Monday from Marinette, WI.
And damaged it in the process I understand.
BaltACDit may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA.
MP173These dimensional trains are quite interesting. Didnt think of shipbuilding, but that would make sense. Curious if it wouldnt be General Dynamics in Bath, Maine. Or a location in Virginia. NS several years ago would have dimensional trains with John Deere combines. I heard these were going to the Port of Baltimore for export, but do not recall where that was heard nor the validity of the rumor. ed
Didnt think of shipbuilding, but that would make sense. Curious if it wouldnt be General Dynamics in Bath, Maine. Or a location in Virginia.
NS several years ago would have dimensional trains with John Deere combines. I heard these were going to the Port of Baltimore for export, but do not recall where that was heard nor the validity of the rumor.
Port of Baltimore has been used by Deere in the past. CSX even got some shipments 'once upon a time'. Also remember some trainloads of Case equipment for export.
Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock has been building the US aircraft carriers for decades. Forget which one was under construction my first trip there in the early 1980's - but the command island just TOWERED over the coastal plains where Newport News exists.
There is also active shipbuilding on the Gulf Coast at Mobile. Recall numerous wide shipments of steel plate going there on all the territories of CSX that I worked, including when the NO&M Subdivision was part of my territory.
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