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NS Dimensional train
Posted by MP173 on Saturday, April 22, 2023 2:30 PM

Anyone know destination for NS train 054?  I believe it originated at Burns Harbor, In. today.  Passed the Chesterton webcam at 213pm with 1 motor and 35 flats with wide steel plates.

I have seen this movement 3x the last 6 weeks.  

It is a hi wide as when it meets another train one must come to a stop.  

Seems like a regular movement of large plate steel.  Any info would be appreciated.

 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, April 22, 2023 3:15 PM

No idea of the destination.  Suspect with that much steel sheet, it may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA.

When I was working on CSX there were a variety of restrictions on Clearance Implacated shipments - some had to be routed around specific stationary locations or objects and be prevented from operating on specific tracks.  Others would restrict the trains carrying the shipments to observe speed restrictions in specific locations. Other restrictions would require when meeting or overtaking trains at specific locations for one train to be stopped and the other to move at no more than 10 MPH.  The most restrictive would state that trains could not meet or pass trains at specific locations.

Back around 2010 or 2012, Marketing secured a shipment of wind generator parts - blades and generators from the Port of Baltimore to Chicago and beyond.  The only locations that the clearance wires for this movement didn't have meet/pass restrictions were on the single track segements between passing sidings.  With all the restrictions it took about two weeks to move the train from the Port of Baltimore to New Castle, PA, where it left my area of responsibiliy.  How much longer it took to get to Chicago and then on to its final destination - I don't know.

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Posted by MP173 on Sunday, April 23, 2023 8:50 PM

These dimensional trains are quite interesting.  

Didnt think of shipbuilding, but that would make sense.  Curious if it wouldnt be General Dynamics in Bath, Maine.  Or a location in Virginia.

NS several years ago would have dimensional trains with John Deere combines.  I heard these were going to the Port of Baltimore for export, but do not recall where that was heard nor the validity of the rumor.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 23, 2023 9:05 PM

MP173
These dimensional trains are quite interesting.  

Didnt think of shipbuilding, but that would make sense.  Curious if it wouldnt be General Dynamics in Bath, Maine.  Or a location in Virginia.

NS several years ago would have dimensional trains with John Deere combines.  I heard these were going to the Port of Baltimore for export, but do not recall where that was heard nor the validity of the rumor.

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Port of Baltimore has been used by Deere in the past.  CSX even got some shipments 'once upon a time'.  Also remember some trainloads of Case equipment for export.

Newport News Shipbuilding & Drydock has been building the US aircraft carriers for decades.  Forget which one was under construction my first trip there in the early 1980's - but the command island just TOWERED over the coastal plains where Newport News exists.

There is also active shipbuilding on the Gulf Coast at Mobile.  Recall numerous wide shipments of steel plate going there on all the territories of CSX that I worked, including when the NO&M Subdivision was part of my territory.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Sunday, April 23, 2023 9:20 PM

BaltACD
it may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA.

Not sure if it is made of steel or not but the U.S. Navy just launched the LCS  USS Cleveland last Monday from Marinette, WI.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, April 23, 2023 9:27 PM

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it may be going to a shipbuilding location - if we still have any left in the USA. 

Not sure if it is made of steel or not but the U.S. Navy just launched the LCS  USS Cleveland last Monday from Marinette, WI.

And damaged it in the process I understand.

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Posted by tree68 on Sunday, April 23, 2023 10:28 PM

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And damaged it in the process I understand.

Almost took out a tug...

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Posted by CMStPnP on Monday, April 24, 2023 12:00 AM

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And damaged it in the process I understand.

It's the same Navy that backed a ship into the USS Arizona Memorial and damaged it.   How you can do that against a ship that has not moved since it sunk in WWII is beyond my comprehension but I digress....

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Posted by jeffhergert on Monday, April 24, 2023 5:47 AM

The Case equipment for export came out of Grand Island NE. I seem to recall some John Deere tractors out of Waterloo IA going east for export.

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Posted by caldreamer on Monday, April 24, 2023 6:44 AM

 

Do not forget the Electric Boat plant in Groton, Connetcut where they build all three types of submarines.  They need steel plate for those boats.

 

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Posted by MP173 on Monday, April 24, 2023 11:47 AM

Thanks for replies and discussion.

These 054 dimension trains seem to be running about every 2-3 weeks.

Now, that would be an interesting topic for a Trains Magazine article...how these hi-wides are moved, particularly on heavy traffic mains.

Always love to see those big depressed center flat cars movements also.

Actually, in today's railroad environment, I enjoy noticing the cars more than the locomotives, particularly today's general freight trains (boxcar trains).  

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Posted by Fred M Cain on Thursday, April 27, 2023 2:05 PM

All I can say is that I'm so thankful they didn't put this stuff on the highways ~ !

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Sunday, April 30, 2023 12:02 AM

2 views many years ago so please excuse if memories are faulty.

1.  4 cars with 2 having switch track panels at 60 degree slant and other 2 cars with apparently connecting tracks  for some double track layout?

2.  Maybe years later 3 heavy duty Trailer train flats ( 8 axel ? ) with steel plates starting almost at rail height installed at some angle then almost as high as a double stack.  Had idler cars between each car and on ends as well.  Length of plate ???

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Posted by MP173 on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 8:20 AM

Today (May 9), NS ran another 054 out of Burns Harbor, departing at 635am.

One motor NS 4431 and a buffer car - NS orange hopper car with ballast then 45 bulkhead or flat cars.  Each car had 3 big steel sheets, estimated 2" - 3" thick and about 40 ft long...all appeared to be uniform in size.  These trains appear to be running about every 18 days, or at least what I am observing.

Earlier comment about ship building seems to make sense with the thick sheets.  Anyone know how thick steel sheets are on large boats?

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 5:09 PM

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Do not forget the Electric Boat plant in Groton, Connetcut where they build all three types of submarines.  They need steel plate for those boats.

 

 

Three types?  All they have built in the last 50 years are SSNs and SSBNs.  They are built out of special steel made to withstand the pressure of deep dives. It's probably made in a specialty steel plant.

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Posted by caldreamer on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 6:19 PM

The third type are the SSGN cruise missile submarines.  They use the Ohio class SSBN bodies, but are designed to launch cruise missles.  They carry 154 tomahawk cruise missiles.  If the missiles are nuclear armed, each has a 100 kiloton warhead, Conventional warheads of various types and yields can be used as well.

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Posted by Backshop on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 8:07 PM

caldreamer

The third type are the SSGN cruise missile submarines.  They use the Ohio class SSBN bodies, but are designed to launch cruise missles.  They carry 154 tomahawk cruise missiles.  If the missiles are nuclear armed, each has a 100 kiloton warhead, Conventional warheads of various types and yields can be used as well.

 

The SSGNs are conversions, not new-builds.

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Posted by caldreamer on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 9:02 PM

True, but due the extensive rebuild process, new steel would be needed due the different configuration of the sub.

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, May 9, 2023 10:53 PM

I was watching a 'Modern Marvels' show on the Ruku Channel from approximately 2005.  The episode I was watching stated that there were SIX shipbuilding outfits in the US, down from 22 that existed in the 1980's.

I am not in a position to confirm or deny any of those numbers.

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Posted by MP173 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023 9:24 AM

These dimensional trains are very interesting...big steel which seem to be running regularly.

Thanks for replies.

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Wednesday, May 10, 2023 10:03 AM

BaltACD

I was watching a 'Modern Marvels' show on the Ruku Channel from approximately 2005.  The episode I was watching stated that there were SIX shipbuilding outfits in the US, down from 22 that existed in the 1980's.

I am not in a position to confirm or deny any of those numbers.

 

I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, May 10, 2023 2:47 PM

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I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.

They aren't building many lakers these days.  It was quite the event when one was launched last year.

It's been said that there won't be any more "footers" built.  There are, IIRC, 13 on the lakes now (that's ships 1000' or longer).

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, May 11, 2023 6:44 AM

tree68

 

 
CSSHEGEWISCH
I would think that much of the decrease might be from the closure of inland shipyards on the Great Lakes and the river system.

 

They aren't building many lakers these days.  It was quite the event when one was launched last year.

It's been said that there won't be any more "footers" built.  There are, IIRC, 13 on the lakes now (that's ships 1000' or longer).

 

I doubt any more will be built. They are too single-use. Two of them use shuttle-boom unloaders, which limit them to their original uses (Burns Harbor and Gary steel mills). Conneaut isn't as busy as it once was.  DTE has shut their Belle River power plant and the St Clair plant is converting to NG.  That leaves only Monroe. I expect more in the 630-730ft length to be built, but that's about it. All the current ships are from one of two periods, either the mid 50s or the mid 70s to very early 80s.  Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever.

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:01 AM

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Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever.

They're not ships, they're boats.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, May 11, 2023 10:50 AM

CSSHEGEWISCH

 

 
Backshop

Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever.

 

 

They're not ships, they're boats.

 

Yeah, I know. Big Smile I saw four boats yesterday in Lake Erie while I was attempting (unsuccessfully), to coax some walleyes to bite.  The Ashtabula/Defiance, Algoma Innovator, Thunder Bay and Capt Henry Jackman. 

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Posted by Vern Moore on Sunday, May 14, 2023 1:06 PM

Those aren't 3 thick slabs.  I got a close look as the train was in Binghamton.  They're 3 sets of 5 one-inch plates.  Word from a freind's son at NS says they go to the Norfolk area for the shipbuilding industry.

 

Train 054 shifted from the Pennsy route to the Southern Tier east of Cleveland following the East Palestine derailment and it apoears a temporary reroute may now be permanant.

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Posted by MP173 on Sunday, May 14, 2023 5:55 PM

Vern:

Thanks for info.  BTW, when did it pass thru Binghamton?  Just curious of the elapsed time to travel from Burns Harbor to Binghamton.

Also, what would the routing from Binghamton to Norfolk be?  Looking at NS map, they appear to have trackage/haulage rights down to Wilkes Barre and on to Harrisburg.  MyNS map is several years old and shows that as CP. 

Just thought I heard on scanner another 054 doubling in the Burns Harbor yard.  Might have been a similar symbol.  time will tell.

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Posted by MP173 on Monday, May 15, 2023 3:49 PM

There was in fact a 054 last night. I heard scanner chatter but it had not left Burns Harbor by the time I shut down.  It was ready to go at 700pm but a parade of Amtrak and hot van trains held it, then a van train hit a vehicle which shut everything down.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, May 17, 2023 12:18 PM

Speaking of Great Lakes boats...the Mark W. Barker, just launched last year and the only new US boat in the last 40 years, ran hard aground in the Detroit River last night. I heard it had a steering gear malfunction. The bow was only 30ft offshore right by the parking lot of the Dossin Great Lakes Museum on Belle Isle. They freed it while I was down there.  The first ship that passed her was the Alpena, the oldest boat on the Lakes that is self propelled IIRC.

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, May 20, 2023 9:08 AM

Backshop
 
CSSHEGEWISCH 
Backshop

Freshwater ships last longer, but not forever. 

They're not ships, they're boats. 

Yeah, I know. Big Smile I saw four boats yesterday in Lake Erie while I was attempting (unsuccessfully), to coax some walleyes to bite.  The Ashtabula/Defiance, Algoma Innovator, Thunder Bay and Capt Henry Jackman. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zexl-xvE0Sc

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