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Autonomous Truck Success

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, December 30, 2021 12:00 PM

NittanyLion

 

 
Euclid
From the article:
 
TuSimple said the semi successfully navigated highway lane changes, traffic signals, on-ramps and off-ramps while “naturally interacting with other motorists.”
 
Were the other motorists informed that they were sharing the road with a fully autonomous semi-truck during this this obviously risky test?  This detail needs to be explained. 
 

 

 

An automonous vehicle in any failure mode is no more or less dangerous than a piloted vehicle in the same failure mode (or, frankly, under direct control of an operator).

I'd rather have a misbehaving AV nearby, where the default behavior to a problem is "stop," than a misbehaving driver where there is no default behavior and possess the bonus ability to panic.

 

Well what occurred in this test happens to be your preferred choice, so that is good for you.  But what about the people who would rather take their chances driving among human drivers than among driverless, automatic vehicles?  Don’t they get a choice? 
 
Regarding your second point:  The benefit of the AV default to stop after it begins experiencing a problem depends on how quickly the system can react to the problem, and how quickly the problem might result in injury or death.   I would much rather drive with human drivers who do not have default responses, but rather continuously rely on their best judgement. 
 
But in any case, my point is that human drivers should not be included in such an experiment as described in the article unless AVs are fully approved for road use.  Are they approved at this time in Arizona?  My point also depends on what actually took place in this experiment.  The article may be in error.  The other vehicles with drivers may have been professionals picked for the experiment with them having full knowledge of it.  Or the police may have been escorting the AV without letting other drivers pass it or drive near it.  But if they were driving near it with no knowledge of it, I would sure like to hear what they think about that once they learn what they had participated in.  
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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, December 30, 2021 10:52 AM

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Well, at least it was a rail intermodal load.  But it's something that's going to have to be dealt with.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arizona-department-of-transportation-arizona-tucson-2a53f9728635c13f38c7e3c4223700ba

 

 

 

 

 

It will be awhile before autonomous class 8 CMV's hit the road in regular service. However autonomous drayage is where the C1's need to look if they don't plan on investing in more IM ramps. Conversely it can be true as well to be the driver for more IM ramps.

 

Conversely, drayage is the worst paying part of trucking, so investing in new equipment with all the computers, plus automated transmissions, isn't going to happen anytime soon.

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Posted by NittanyLion on Thursday, December 30, 2021 10:16 AM

Euclid
From the article:
 
TuSimple said the semi successfully navigated highway lane changes, traffic signals, on-ramps and off-ramps while “naturally interacting with other motorists.”
 
Were the other motorists informed that they were sharing the road with a fully autonomous semi-truck during this this obviously risky test?  This detail needs to be explained. 
 

An automonous vehicle in any failure mode is no more or less dangerous than a piloted vehicle in the same failure mode (or, frankly, under direct control of an operator).

I'd rather have a misbehaving AV nearby, where the default behavior to a problem is "stop," than a misbehaving driver where there is no default behavior and possess the bonus ability to panic.

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Posted by SD60MAC9500 on Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:40 AM

greyhounds

Well, at least it was a rail intermodal load.  But it's something that's going to have to be dealt with.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arizona-department-of-transportation-arizona-tucson-2a53f9728635c13f38c7e3c4223700ba

 

 

 

It will be awhile before autonomous class 8 CMV's hit the road in regular service. However autonomous drayage is where the C1's need to look if they don't plan on investing in more IM ramps. Conversely it can be true as well to be the driver for more IM ramps.

Rahhhhhhhhh!!!!
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Posted by daveklepper on Thursday, December 30, 2021 9:27 AM

And the Wright brothers did not have an automobile tailing an inflated balloon clearing a path before them.  And Robert Fulton did not hsve as sailboat clearing a path before him.  Ditto Stephenson's Rocket.

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, December 30, 2021 7:59 AM
From the article:
 
TuSimple said the semi successfully navigated highway lane changes, traffic signals, on-ramps and off-ramps while “naturally interacting with other motorists.”
 
Were the other motorists informed that they were sharing the road with a fully autonomous semi-truck during this this obviously risky test?  This detail needs to be explained. 
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Posted by Murphy Siding on Thursday, December 30, 2021 7:31 AM

From the article:

A lead vehicle scouted the route for unexpected obstacles about five miles ahead of the autonomous semi, and a trailing vehicle following about one-half mile behind the truck was prepared to intervene if necessary, along with several unmarked police vehicles.

I realize the Wright Brothers only flew about 120 feet the first time, but it seems like it's going to be a really long time before driverless trucks make a big impact in the market.

Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.

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Posted by Lithonia Operator on Thursday, December 30, 2021 7:10 AM

Let's put people out of work and endanger the public!!! Yippee!!

Still in training.


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Autonomous Truck Success
Posted by greyhounds on Wednesday, December 29, 2021 11:38 PM

Well, at least it was a rail intermodal load.  But it's something that's going to have to be dealt with.

https://apnews.com/article/technology-business-arizona-department-of-transportation-arizona-tucson-2a53f9728635c13f38c7e3c4223700ba

 

"By many measures, the U.S. freight rail system is the safest, most efficient and cost effective in the world." - Federal Railroad Administration, October, 2009. I'm just your average, everyday, uncivilized howling "anti-government" critic of mass government expenditures for "High Speed Rail" in the US. And I'm gosh darn proud of that.

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