Euclid tree68 Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have. There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants. I have noticed that wrathful reaction, but so what? Not everybody does that. But some are easily offended and often take offense when none was intended. Whose fault is that? Some get wrathful when others simply state an opinion that they disagree with. Opinions are allowed here. Wrathful personal attacks are not.
tree68 Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have. There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants.
Euclid That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
There may not be a rule, as such, but anyone who chooses to embrace an attitude people find offensive will usually suffer the wrath of the forum participants.
Considering the context of Tree's comment, I assume he is refering to MS as the one with the attitude of being too confrontational about the Milwaukee Road debate. So this offended forum members in this thread, that raises the question of just what they did to express their wrath. What could that be? I wonder...
Removing all posts seems rather 'wrathful' if you ask me.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Back to the subject (sorta). Anybody who uses the fact that Hill was interested in the MILW before he bought the CB&Q circa 1900 as a reason that it was viable 70-80 years later is grasping for straws.
charlie hebdoAnd what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify.
It doesn't have to be overt, or personal. If I write "anyone who looks up the word 'wrathful' in the Oxford Dictionary knows what it actually means," I'm not outright attacking anyone, but by implication, I'm suggesting that the person who wrote it lacks pertinent information.
And I'm not attacking your use of wrathful, by the way - it's just an example.
But in the end, the person who used the word (or stated some observation, or whatever) will likely feel personally attacked. And there lies the rub, as they say.
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charlie hebdo And what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify. His opinion on the PCE may even be absurd, but that shouldn't banish him just because some disagree.
And what did Mr. Sol say that was a wrathful or personal attack? Specify.
His opinion on the PCE may even be absurd, but that shouldn't banish him just because some disagree.
EuclidThat would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
That would be a case for the Tone Police. But the forum has no rule specifying a type of attitude or vibe that one must have.
I may not agree with Michael Sol on the Milwaukee, but you do have to give the man credit. He's been singing the same tune ever since. I imagine his family tie through his Grandfather being part of the survey party for the PCE played a role.
The only difference being when you hold something dear to your heart you fail to see the deficiencies in it, whilst protecting it at all cost. As much as I was enthralled with the Southern Pacific I knew it had problems and only a merger would solve them. Us railfans are just a very dedicated bunch even in conspiracy. So for that I give Michael Sol his credit.
It sounds like someone who was kicked off of the forum years ago was kicked off again.
An "expensive model collector"
NKP guy See, well, I did my own research and it's plain as day that the Rockefeller family, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet are responsible for this mystery. See, on AM talk radio I've become aware of groups like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars and how they do the bidding of the elites of the world, like George Soros, the Rockefellers, and the people who once held the stock of the NP and GN. Follow the money, right? Mr. Sol provoked the Rockefellers, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet by revealing here on this forum a 1908 letter said to be addressed to John D.Rockefeller, Sr., which proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the Rockefellers were invested in the PCE. This, of course, threatened the Hill interests who wouldn't want that known. The Hill heirs, of course, were bought out by George Soros who then, along with Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren Buffet, bought up the GN & NP. These behind-the-scenes Machiavellis then enlisted the Knights Templars and Opus Dei to silence Mr. Sol from revealing anything more of the Rockefeller connection. Once again, we see a world-wide elite conspiracy to deny us knowing the truth of the efficacy of the PCE and the involvement of the Rockellers and the "deep Street" (the financial interests of the world) in the now-monopoly control and stranglehold BNSF has on the northern part of our country. Talk radio hosts and sites on the Internet allowed me to do my own research free of any control by the "deep Street" in order to arrive at what the real story, the one being kept away from us, really shows. If only people would do their own research, listen to the right talk show hosts, and look into things they know more about than the "experts," then we wouldn't be doing the bidding of woke elites like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars. Mr. Sol's posts were deleted by drones at Kalmbach, paid by shadowy figures like George Soros and Warren Buffet seeking to curry favor with the Rockefellers and all the others who rule the world. See, it's easy to figure out what happened. The truth is being kept from us!
See, well, I did my own research and it's plain as day that the Rockefeller family, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet are responsible for this mystery. See, on AM talk radio I've become aware of groups like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars and how they do the bidding of the elites of the world, like George Soros, the Rockefellers, and the people who once held the stock of the NP and GN. Follow the money, right?
Mr. Sol provoked the Rockefellers, the Hill heirs, and Warren Buffet by revealing here on this forum a 1908 letter said to be addressed to John D.Rockefeller, Sr., which proved beyond any reasonable doubt that the Rockefellers were invested in the PCE. This, of course, threatened the Hill interests who wouldn't want that known. The Hill heirs, of course, were bought out by George Soros who then, along with Berkshire Hathaway, led by Warren Buffet, bought up the GN & NP. These behind-the-scenes Machiavellis then enlisted the Knights Templars and Opus Dei to silence Mr. Sol from revealing anything more of the Rockefeller connection. Once again, we see a world-wide elite conspiracy to deny us knowing the truth of the efficacy of the PCE and the involvement of the Rockellers and the "deep Street" (the financial interests of the world) in the now-monopoly control and stranglehold BNSF has on the northern part of our country.
Talk radio hosts and sites on the Internet allowed me to do my own research free of any control by the "deep Street" in order to arrive at what the real story, the one being kept away from us, really shows. If only people would do their own research, listen to the right talk show hosts, and look into things they know more about than the "experts," then we wouldn't be doing the bidding of woke elites like Opus Dei and the Knights Templars. Mr. Sol's posts were deleted by drones at Kalmbach, paid by shadowy figures like George Soros and Warren Buffet seeking to curry favor with the Rockefellers and all the others who rule the world.
See, it's easy to figure out what happened. The truth is being kept from us!
And all that was arranged from the basement of a pizza joint in the limited spare time the conspirators had when they weren't busy making pizzas!! Incredible.
Still in training.
Backshop tree68 SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue.. I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..." I got the same vibe.
tree68 SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue.. I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..."
SD60MAC9500 Yep I think that's what happened. There was no name calling or other attacks I witnessed so I don't understand the issue..
I don't recall any name calling, but I got the impression from time to time that there was an attitude of "if you had half a brain..."
I got the same vibe.
tree68 BaltACD As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service. Yup. I didn't want to name names... Definitely happened, though.
BaltACD As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
Yup. I didn't want to name names...
Definitely happened, though.
BaltACDAs I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
Euclid tree68 Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts? What would be the point of such a request? It is that the member deleted his/her own posts for some reason, and then wanted all quotes of those posts deleted so his/her comments would not appear in the thread either directly in the original posts or indirectly in quotes of the orginal posts? I don't recall that ever happening here.
tree68 Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts?
Anyone remember the chaos when a member asked everyone who had ever quoted him to delete said posts?
What would be the point of such a request? It is that the member deleted his/her own posts for some reason, and then wanted all quotes of those posts deleted so his/her comments would not appear in the thread either directly in the original posts or indirectly in quotes of the orginal posts? I don't recall that ever happening here.
As I recall - it wasn't just 'a member' but a former Editor of Trains Magazine that was about to enter Government Service.
Maybe it was a mistake for the poster named CMStP&P to build the Pacific Coast Extension thread.
There's something strangein the neighborhood...Something's not right here. Unless there's a firefight boiling over in the sandbox being reported by lots of members, the moderators rarely come to this forum. They don't work on weekends, so they don't moderate on weekends, especially holiday weekends. Due to the mechanics of the forum, if a moderator were to delete a post, the sister posts- all those that replied to the post, or replied to the replies to that post- disappear as well.Also, due to the mechanics of the forum, if a poster were to delete his own post, there would still be a post by him, it would just be an empty box. Anybody who had replied to that post and quoted it would still have the original quote on their new post.Reality is, this is probably a technical glitch. It's obvious that Michael Sol's posts are missing from this thread. What's not obvious is that there might be others missing as well.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
So, we've gone from discussing the PCE to discussing why posts have disappeared...
Who cares?
BaltACD Whoever did what they did totally screwed up the thread. You can't even access the therad by clicking on the last post from the index. Kalmbach IT strikes again.
Whoever did what they did totally screwed up the thread. You can't even access the therad by clicking on the last post from the index.
Kalmbach IT strikes again.
I've seen this before but it's been a couple of years since. When entries are removed the page count doesn't get updated. The count at the heading says 115 replies, which would mean 116 entries, which at 30 per page would be 3 full pages plus 26 entries on the fourth page. There are actually only 2 full pages plus 25 entries on the third page (85 entries not counting this entry and any following), so apparently 31 entries were removed. When you tell it to go to the last post, it tries to go to the 116th entry which should be on the fourth page which doesn't exist any more. See, it's all perfectly logical.
Wonders of modern technology!
(edit): It did the same thing to me: it reported an error, but when I re-submitted it, it said it was a duplicate.
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Euclid York1 It's possible he requested to be removed. I agree. We cannot rule that out without knowing more. It seems unlikely because he seemed comfortable and confident in making his case. So I cannot see a reason to pull it all down. That is unless he actually thought he was losing the debate and wanted to just end it in an explosive way almost as a distaction. But that is just hypothetical to make sense out of something so hard to understand.
York1 It's possible he requested to be removed.
I agree. We cannot rule that out without knowing more. It seems unlikely because he seemed comfortable and confident in making his case. So I cannot see a reason to pull it all down. That is unless he actually thought he was losing the debate and wanted to just end it in an explosive way almost as a distaction. But that is just hypothetical to make sense out of something so hard to understand.
The actions of Antonio Brown of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in todays game make just as much sense.
York1It's possible he requested to be removed.
charlie hebdo So once again someone forced out interesting, albeit controversial posts. It's much akin to the Stalinist era, when photos had banished apparatchiks airbrushed outbas though they had never existed. It's a shame differing options presented in a polite manner are not allowed. So noting color schemes will be all that remain?
So once again someone forced out interesting, albeit controversial posts. It's much akin to the Stalinist era, when photos had banished apparatchiks airbrushed outbas though they had never existed. It's a shame differing options presented in a polite manner are not allowed.
So noting color schemes will be all that remain?
It's possible he requested to be removed.
York1 John
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