BaltACD tree68 BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point. There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats. I thought the 1000 foot ore boats were 'lakers' and only navigate the Great Lakes, not the St. Lawrence Seaway.
tree68 BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point. There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats.
BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point.
I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point.
There are spots on the St Lawrence Seaway that would have trouble with that - especially with the 1,000 foot ore boats.
I thought the 1000 foot ore boats were 'lakers' and only navigate the Great Lakes, not the St. Lawrence Seaway.
Erik_Mag If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris).
Am I misreading your intention there?
BaltACD I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point/
I wonder if the Canal authorities will formulate a rule for the future that vessels have to be shorter than the canal is wide at its narrowest point/
The canal shipping lane is already much narrower than the water between the banks. One of the technical experts stated that the 200 ft. wide Ever Given, following the centerline, only has only 36 feet on each side before grounding.
One expert suggested that for the monster ships like Ever Given, they could provide safety by connecting ocean tugboats fore and aft. The newest classes of ocean tugs have rotating propulsion units that can move the boat in any direction with instant changes as needed. So they could maintain various pulls to help a ship stay on course while transiting the canal.
The ocean tugs are quite amazing in their own right.
Sara T Now it seems ever-ything is given fine: earlier report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvGKTsAoO4 Suez Canal: How to keep ships from running aground in the future | DW News https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/suez-canal-authority-video-ever-given-salvage-operations https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/ever-given-blocking-suez-canal-re-floated The Ever Given, containership blocking the Suez Canal, has been re-floated, and manoeuvres are set to be undertaken to fully restore the direction of vessel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUwWcoIlHwM Cargo ship the Ever Given freed from the Suez Canal https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNjUt7FYG2s News Alert: Ever Given ship blocking Suez Canal successfully 'refloated' | Latest English News https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-e4os617c Container ship blocking the Suez Canal partially freed | DW News I believe we have all for-ever given her / it? our best wishes for future course. Oh, here is some explanation of how shipping works today https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CIgHnH-1zo latest news: full moon tide helped to free ship and now moving https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Mo1tibl1w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ej5R4cvdg Sara
Now it seems ever-ything is given fine:
earlier report:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKvGKTsAoO4
Suez Canal: How to keep ships from running aground in the future | DW News
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/suez-canal-authority-video-ever-given-salvage-operations
https://www.seatrade-maritime.com/casualty/ever-given-blocking-suez-canal-re-floated
The Ever Given, containership blocking the Suez Canal, has been re-floated, and manoeuvres are set to be undertaken to fully restore the direction of vessel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUwWcoIlHwM
Cargo ship the Ever Given freed from the Suez Canal
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XNjUt7FYG2s
News Alert: Ever Given ship blocking Suez Canal successfully 'refloated' | Latest English News
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP-e4os617c
Container ship blocking the Suez Canal partially freed | DW News
I believe we have all for-ever given her / it? our best wishes for future course.
Oh, here is some explanation of how shipping works today
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3CIgHnH-1zo
latest news: full moon tide helped to free ship and now moving
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-Mo1tibl1w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8ej5R4cvdg
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BaltACD Murphy Siding Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship. Where do I send the bill for my consulting? Undersand they had to remove between 20 & 30K cubic yards of material from under the bow. I doubt that the banks of the canal are exclusively sand - tidal currents would keep the sand moving. I understand the vessel was operating at about 13 Knots when the incident happened - 13 Knots and 224K tons creates a lot of momentum when it comes to impacing anything.
Murphy Siding Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship. Where do I send the bill for my consulting?
Murphy Siding blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com) Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship.
blue streak 1 Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size. An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com)
Here is a link to a back hoe trying to move sand away from the bow. Kind of gives a new meaning of gnat and person size.
An excavator is trying to help free a ship stuck in the Suez Canal, but a photo shows how hard that'll be (msn.com)
Seeing how the soil there is all sand, it makes sense to me that they would come in with some pumping equipment to wash out underneath the ship.
Where do I send the bill for my consulting?
Undersand they had to remove between 20 & 30K cubic yards of material from under the bow. I doubt that the banks of the canal are exclusively sand - tidal currents would keep the sand moving.
I understand the vessel was operating at about 13 Knots when the incident happened - 13 Knots and 224K tons creates a lot of momentum when it comes to impacing anything.
Paul MilenkovicYou think the Egyptian authorities have that outfit from Netherlands on speed-dial?
Just like the railroads have certain outfits, like for instance the crane outfit that was a major player in the cleanup of that Santa Fe Junction derailment in KC a while back. Stuff happens. Be Prepared. Etc.
tree68 Measured by throwing a chunk of wood off the stern and counting how many knots in the rope passed during a specific period of time.
Measured by throwing a chunk of wood off the stern and counting how many knots in the rope passed during a specific period of time.
Presumably updated when the nautical mile was set to equal one minute of longitude at the equator. If the earth was a perfect sphere, 5,400 nautical miles (90 degrees of longitude latitude at the equator) would have equaled 10,000km (90 degrees of longitude - equator to nothpole via Paris). The latter is slightly less due to the earth being an oblate spheroid and measurement error by the French.
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You think the Egyptian authorities have that outfit from Netherlands on speed-dial?
If GM "killed the electric car", what am I doing standing next to an EV-1, a half a block from the WSOR tracks?
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Wars have been started for lessor things than that!
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Semper Vaporo For those of us where a "Knot" is what the shoestrings get into when you are in a hurry to put your shoes on; 13-Knots converts to 14.96-MPH or 24.076-Km/h. And for the jet pilots, that is Mach 0.02
For those of us where a "Knot" is what the shoestrings get into when you are in a hurry to put your shoes on;
13-Knots converts to 14.96-MPH or 24.076-Km/h.
And for the jet pilots, that is Mach 0.02
Just reported: Canal now open and ships are passing through. The ship that was stuck has been moved to a location where it will be inspected and repaired before continuing toward its destination.
Another look at salvage operations. It is complicated as the ship is flexing with every high and low tide.
MV Ever Given: What's Going on in the Suez Part 4: Nick Sloane joins us thanks to gCaptain. - YouTube
Most Containers too heavy for the Russian heavy lift helicopters. HAX MAT cargo in the containers may be a problem.
Another highly detailed and informative explanation of how the ship lost control and how the refloating must be carried out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iyn2q6s1Sk
It sounds like the ship was going too fast for conditions, and also made a bad move trying to recover from running off course in the wind. There is a lot of concern about the risk of catastrophe such as upsetting the ship or breaking it in half. There is already leakage in the bow area from the impact of grounding. But the leakage is confined to an isolated compartment and is being pumped out.
More about constructing a ULCC (Ultra Large Container Carrier)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3BzAjswJTc
Now there are plans to partially unload the ship. A thought. Will the persons have actualy weights of each container so that ship does not end up unbalanced ? It would be nice if someoe who has experience in loading and unloading these ships could chime in.
Boat blocking Suez Canal to be unloaded to make moving it easier (msn.com)
Does anyone know the status of the all rail routes from far east to Europe. Is it running at capacity and if not how much surge could they take?. Realize that would only be a very very small percentage of total container traffic.
Some insights to the 200K+ Ton Container Ships
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2JMaJTFSvw
BaltACD
>>The man is a cargo airline pilot and his normal area of reportage and expertise is in things aircraft. Both aircraft and watercraft have to deal with fluid dynamics - on one the fluid is air, on the other the fluid is water. Mix 182K square feet of 'sail' space with a 40+ knot sustained winds and you have the Ever Given. Mother Nature overpowers the human created machine.
The canal is a tidal body of water and the salvors are making their 'best efforts' during high tides. There is a Full Moon this weekend and the tides should be a little bit higher. Whether the salvors will have success is open to question.<<
I have written you a pm about this.
Here again is someone referring to the ship being “wedged diagonally” between the two banks. Yet this is not the case. What is holding the ship in place is that it has ridden up onto the shallower portion of the canal bottom. It is grounded, not wedged.
They do have to excavate soil toward the upper part of the screen to permit the bow to be swung out away from the bank, as he says. But they also have to excavate probably a larger area out from under the ship as well to allow the ship to resume floating in that area.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yE8b1GWoTWk
Another interesting voice:
The pictures we have seen of the excavator digging near the bow of the vessel - the thing that the picture doesn't capture is that the bottom of the vessel 45 to 50 feet BELOW the level from which the picture was taken.
The digging and dredging the equipment that is needed to 'really get the job done' doesn't exist. The further down you dig with excavators, the further away from the center point of your dig you get as the footing under the excavator, being unsupported falls toward the area excavated. Dredges normally work a narrow area adjacent to the spoil barge, they don't have the ability to reach out the 30 meters to get under the centerline of the hull.
I have no real idea of the details of the salvage contract the SMIT has with the owners - a customary contract is 'No cure, No pay'. Salvage organizations don't remain in business long if the don't bring cure to the casualties - the expenses incured in salvage are astronomical, and payment only comes on a 'successful' conclusion.
Sara T Balt ACD That may well be, but still he fills the classics of a man not trustworthy, that I can tell. Do you know what good a pilot he is?
Balt ACD
That may well be, but still he fills the classics of a man not trustworthy, that I can tell. Do you know what good a pilot he is?
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