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US NAVY has ordered NEW, Armor-plated Cabooses 1st one is VWXX800
Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 7:48 PM

Found the following linked article in 'The DRIVE'  [Its sister publication called "The War Zone" ] .

Linked @ https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39654/wait-this-mysterious-heavily-armored-blue-train-caboose-belongs-to-the-navy

The author is Joseph Trevithick, and it was publshed 3/08/2021

Te caboose was built by a company called Vigor Industrial,LLC. at a location in the PNW (?) under contract to USN.   This company's website indicates that they usually build, smaller(?) naval vessels, and other fabrication contracts for the U.S.N.  

It is apparently, to be tasked by the Navy as a escort and support vehicle; for transport to locations across the USA. The first one is scheduled to be delivered by the end of this year.

From the photos in the article VWXX-800 would appear to be possibly twice the length of what used to be a normal length caboose(?).   It is to be operated by the Naval; Nuclear Propulsion Program, according to the article.

Sort of interesting, that in 2021, the Government is going to build  several(?) armored caboose(s)?  After almost 40 or so years of saying they were not needed?  One would almost expect thay could have, up-armored, another car type ?Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 8:26 PM

samfp1943
Found the following linked article in 'The DRIVE'  [Its sister publication called "The War Zone" ] .

Linked @ https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/39654/wait-this-mysterious-heavily-armored-blue-train-caboose-belongs-to-the-navy

The author is Joseph Trevithick, and it was publshed 3/08/2021

Te caboose was built by a company called Vigor Industrial,LLC. at a location in the PNW (?) under contract to USN.   This company's website indicates that they usually build, smaller(?) naval vessels, and other fabrication contracts for the U.S.N.  

It is apparently, to be tasked by the Navy as a escort and support vehicle; for transport to locations across the USA. The first one is scheduled to be delivered by the end of this year.

From the photos in the article VWXX-800 would appear to be possibly twice the length of what used to be a normal length caboose(?).   It is to be operated by the Naval; Nuclear Propulsion Program, according to the article.

Sort of interesting, that in 2021, the Government is going to build  several(?) armored caboose(s)?  After almost 40 or so years of saying they were not needed?  One would almost expect thay could have, up-armored, another car type ?Whistling

Military shipments frequently have 'riders' that go along with the shipment.  Frequently the riders are armed.

The pictured 'caboose' looks to be light on windows and heavy on gun ports.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 9:31 PM

Reminds me of a drover's caboose.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, March 9, 2021 10:10 PM

The 2 vertical black rectangles almost look like retractable bay windows ?

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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:37 AM

(shades of railroading meets "The War Wagon" or new car to guard the boxcars w/ shackles?)

Possibly the outcome of the railroads eliminating their waycar fleets and the cars the military and atomic energy commission (AECX) had now at the end of their AAR/FRA mandated lives?

It's not only the armor, how about those beefy collision posts on the end!

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:48 AM

They haven't gone far enough.

It'd be a LOT more impressive with some quad-.50's mounted fore and aft of the cupola!   

THAT'D make the bad guys think twice!   Captain

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:50 AM

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It'd be a LOT more impressive with some quad-.50's mounted fore and aft of the cupola!   

Maybe they're built to pop up when needed...

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:52 AM

tree68

 

 
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It'd be a LOT more impressive with some quad-.50's mounted fore and aft of the cupola!   

 

Maybe they're built to pop up when needed...

 

Good point!  Never thought of that!

Now, where's the torpedo tubes?

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:31 AM

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Maybe they're built to pop up when needed...

Hopefully they won't be under catenary at the time. 

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 11:50 AM

zugmann

 

 
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Maybe they're built to pop up when needed...

 

Hopefully they won't be under catenary at the time. 

 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:38 PM

If they tried a little harder they could make it look like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztkKJUQB4rU  

 

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:49 PM

Flintlock76

Now, where's the torpedo tubes?

On the head end.  They're going to resurrect some really old GE's to pull it.  They don't have any electrical gear worthy of the name so they should be able to survive an EMP.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 2:59 PM

Torpedo tubes...

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:03 PM

Quad .50's are so World War Two.  Nowadays, miniguns are where it's at.

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Posted by Overmod on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 3:11 PM

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Quad .50's are so World War Two.  Nowadays, miniguns are where it's at.

Miniguns are so Viet Nam.  Railguns, polyspectral lasers, and brilliant munitions are more likely where it's at...

Not that I have anything against chain guns.  Or chain printers.

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Posted by Backshop on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:45 PM

Unless they're running under caternary, I doubt there would be enough extra electricity to power any of those weapons.

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Posted by Victrola1 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 6:03 PM

Over 50 years ago nuclear weapons were made at the Iowa Army Ammunition plant at Middletown, IA, just west of Burlilngton. There was an old passenger coach with steel plates over the windows. The coach was parked by the ammunition plant roundhouse. 

The coach would occasionally be seen tacked to the rear end of a short freight train passing through Burlington. Years later retired security personal at the ammuntion plant told of riding the coach when nuclear weapons were shipped by rail. 

The coach was self contained with bunks, a refrigerator, stove, etc. The coach was reportedly also well stocked with firearms, including Thompson sub machine guns, and ammunition. 

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Posted by rixflix on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 8:07 PM

After reading the entire "The Drive" link, I thought of the end of the movie "The Bridge on the River Kwai", where the doctor says simply, "Madness". 

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Posted by seppburgh2 on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 9:13 PM
So where does the Phalanx and 5 incher get mounted? Reminds me of the Lionel rocket launcher and the exploding box cars. But on a side note, what ever happen to Regan's traveling nuke trains?
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Posted by SALfan on Wednesday, March 10, 2021 10:07 PM

Flintlock76

They haven't gone far enough.

It'd be a LOT more impressive with some quad-.50's mounted fore and aft of the cupola!   

THAT'D make the bad guys think twice!   Captain

 

Or the turret from an Abrams main battle tank with the quad .50's mounted concentrically around the big gun, in lieu of the cupola.

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 11, 2021 1:02 AM

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Unless they're running under caternary, I doubt there would be enough extra electricity to power any of those weapons.

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:38 AM

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The coach was self contained with bunks, a refrigerator, stove, etc. The coach was reportedly also well stocked with firearms, including Thompson sub machine guns, and ammunition. 

Well someone had fine taste in firearms!  Aside from their size and weight Thompsons can still hold their own with any submachine gun around today.

Pretty impressive for a design that's 100 years old!

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, March 11, 2021 8:58 AM

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Or the turret from an Abrams main battle tank with the quad .50's mounted concentrically around the big gun, in lieu of the cupola.

Fire that big gun at any angle there's an actual threat and be prepared for a surprise.  Especially if you mount that turret up there on top and your trucks are standard-gauge and suspended as pictured... DunceSmile

Seriously, PGM self-propelled munitions are a far better answer than a gun, even if you use your smoothbore gun tube to aim them initially and guide the initial launch.  The problem is that you'd have to slew the tube to put it on target, whereupon the guy on the other side puts a TOW or something between caboose and turret...

Better to launch a swarm straight up, form to loiter, and engage targets as appropriate or designated.  You can recover most of the expensive hardware afterward, too...

If you look at the work converging the autonomous-swarm and loyal-wingman programs you will begin to appreciate how the actual defense-in-depth will be best conducted, including recovery of nuclear material actually taken in, say, a massive chemical-weapons exploit.  The actual force to be used will be carefully hidden until the actual time it comes to be used -- unlike nuclear weapons themselves there is little point in advertising 'deterrence' beyond casual dissuasion of the 'protected by Smith and Wesson' bumper-sticker kind.

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Posted by Convicted One on Thursday, March 11, 2021 10:09 AM

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Sort of interesting, that in 2021, the Government is going to build  several(?) armored caboose(s)?  After almost 40 or so years of saying they were not needed? 

Once they switch-on the implanted vaccine chips,  the importance for these cabooses will become more obvious.

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 3:09 PM

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 3:12 PM

Thompson submachine guns? Still being made!

https://www.auto-ordnance.com/ 

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=224 -I've been to West Hurley Arms about 25 years ago- It's like walking into a firearms museum. They had more Lee-Enfield .303s than I ever saw in one place. A lot of them had Arabic phrases carved into the stock. A bunch of WW1 Mausers, too. 

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 5:01 PM

54light15

Thompson submachine guns? Still being made!

https://www.auto-ordnance.com/ 

http://www.smallarmsreview.com/display.article.cfm?idarticles=224 -I've been to West Hurley Arms about 25 years ago- It's like walking into a firearms museum. They had more Lee-Enfield .303s than I ever saw in one place. A lot of them had Arabic phrases carved into the stock. A bunch of WW1 Mausers, too. 

 

Oh , those Auto-Ordnance/Numrich Thompsons!  I remember them well!  Not quite the same at the ones from the 20's, these were semi-auto only and with extended barrels.  The finishes weren't quite as good as the old ones (the ones from the 20's were gorgeous, I've seen 'em!) but good enough.

But man, did those Auto-Ordnance Thompsons shoot!  A fellow gun club member had one, it would put all the shots through ONE hole at 25 yards and darn near all through one hole at 50! 

I never made it up to Numrich, but I did get to a place called Sarco, another surplus arms dealer.  Very impressive showroom full of stuff, but they weren't giving it away, if you know what I mean. Expensive place.

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, March 11, 2021 9:42 PM

My old man, when he was in the USAAF back in Big Two said that once you got used to a Thompson, you could shoot it one-handed like a pistol. I went to West Hurley Arms as he asked me to see about a .22 Thompson that he heard they were selling for about 500 bucks. Sadly, they were out of production and no longer available. Hell, even if they were semi-autos I would have loved to have used one! Got to be a hell of a lot of fun! 

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Posted by Backshop on Friday, March 12, 2021 7:51 AM

There's a company called Standard Manufacturing that makes a slightly scaled down version of the Thompson in .22LR.  It's quite a bit more than $500, though.

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Posted by Overmod on Friday, March 12, 2021 8:23 AM

Backshop
There's a company called Standard Manufacturing that makes a slightly scaled down version of the Thompson in .22LR.

If I recall correctly Guns & Ammo said it was about half the size, and the receiver is aluminum so much less weight.

One thing in common, though: at 50yd. even the worst group with .22LR was under 2".

Now where did I put that hand-crank mount for the twin 10-22s? Big Smile

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