zugmann oltmannd Yes. I regret getting my nose out of joint over this caused Northwest to leave the forum. Don't regret it. It was a lesson that needed to be learned. You were a lot nicer than you needed to be.
oltmannd Yes. I regret getting my nose out of joint over this caused Northwest to leave the forum.
Don't regret it. It was a lesson that needed to be learned. You were a lot nicer than you needed to be.
Absolutely true, even on an informal though commercial website, the lesson needed reinforcement.
oltmanndYes. I regret getting my nose out of joint over this caused Northwest to leave the forum.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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SD70Dude oltmannd I finally rode an Acela. Want to know what I think? Yes!
oltmannd I finally rode an Acela. Want to know what I think?
I finally rode an Acela. Want to know what I think?
Yes!
oltmannd I'm still here! Just been kinda busy with other stuff.... I finally rode and Acela. Want to know what I think?
I'm still here! Just been kinda busy with other stuff....
I finally rode and Acela. Want to know what I think?
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charlie hebdo I for one miss Don Oltmann's observations but would hardly blame him for wanting little to do with an unethical organization.
-Don (Random stuff, mostly about trains - what else? http://blerfblog.blogspot.com/)
OvermodVery early Northwest asked Don to PM to discuss the situation... which should have addressed it just as promptly and fairly as Northwest indicated he wanted to.
Correct. I totally missed his PM until it was way too late. He tried to do the right thing at the start.
Yes. I regret getting my nose out of joint over this caused Northwest to leave the forum.
Convicted OneWhy yes, I find rootbeer both delicious and refreshing. Try some!!
Why yes, I find rootbeer both delicious and refreshing. Try some!!
Overmod Backshop Maybe it got upstaged by KCS and other stories more important and just kept getting pushed back. A retraction that takes up maybe 3 to 4 column inches... 'pushed back'? I don't 'buy' any such thing, and neither should you. As I recall, it was Kalmbach management that committed both to making the 'statement' and providing the date it would appear. I had actually 'moved on' thinking it had been made in the January or February issue as promised. The point remains that the issue could have been easily addressed in a number of fair and upright ways, and was not. I am withholding further comment until I see the actual text of what Kalmbach provides.
Backshop Maybe it got upstaged by KCS and other stories more important and just kept getting pushed back.
A retraction that takes up maybe 3 to 4 column inches... 'pushed back'? I don't 'buy' any such thing, and neither should you. As I recall, it was Kalmbach management that committed both to making the 'statement' and providing the date it would appear. I had actually 'moved on' thinking it had been made in the January or February issue as promised.
The point remains that the issue could have been easily addressed in a number of fair and upright ways, and was not. I am withholding further comment until I see the actual text of what Kalmbach provides.
I'm glad you brought this up. Kalmbach apparently will do nothing. It and Northwest engaged in questionable practices. Some on here miss Northwest? I for one miss Don Oltmann's observations but would hardly blame him for wanting little to do with an unethical organization.
Is there any evidence that Trains knew the article was plagiarized?
Still in training.
I have no delusions where Kalmbach is concerned.
And it is certainly not your place to judge adequacy.
You're having delusions of adequacy.
BackshopYou're not even a subscriber and yet you think that Kalmbach owes you something?
As I noted, I'm not expecting anything from that sort of people, let alone that they 'owe me something'.
Just as I thought. You're not even a subscriber and yet you think that Kalmbach owes you something?
BackshopSince you said that you assumed that it would be in the Jan or Feb issue but didn't say whether you saw it or not, does that mean that you're not a subscriber
I'm not a subscriber any more. But I'll buy an issue in the Kroger if it's worth keeping for study.
Overmod zugmann And I really doubt Kalmbach is going to come here and offer an explanation. Neither do I. Here or in the magazine. And I think that's really part of what keeps eating me about it. I started reading Trains in the early '60s and I can't imagine the magazine of DPM and Rosemary behaving this way.
zugmann And I really doubt Kalmbach is going to come here and offer an explanation.
Neither do I. Here or in the magazine. And I think that's really part of what keeps eating me about it. I started reading Trains in the early '60s and I can't imagine the magazine of DPM and Rosemary behaving this way.
zugmannAnd I really doubt Kalmbach is going to come here and offer an explanation.
Best he learn his lesson on a railfan publication than in a more academic/professional setting.
And I really doubt Kalmbach is going to come here and offer an explanation.
SD70DudeI'm still disappointed that this story resulted in Northwest leaving the forums.
And as I recall, he was up front about acknowledging Don's inspiration right in the original post... and had he not done so I wouldn't have drawn much similarity between the two, certainly not 'plagiarism'.
It was the subsequent events that were increasingly reprehensible. Very early Northwest asked Don to PM to discuss the situation... which should have addressed it just as promptly and fairly as Northwest indicated he wanted to. And then the original post disappeared, and Don was left unsatisfied, and here we sit half a year later still waiting for Kalmbach to explain how this came to be.
Frankly I'd welcome Northwest back whether or not he explained 'in public' what the mystery was about. I don't think he is the trouble here.
Overmod Frankly I'd welcome Northwest back whether or not he explained 'in public' what the mystery was about.
Frankly I'd welcome Northwest back whether or not he explained 'in public' what the mystery was about.
Same here. Unfortunately I doubt he'll read this.
Plagiarism, inspiration, or whatever, I'm still disappointed that this story resulted in Northwest leaving the forums. He started and contributed to some pretty interesting threads over the years.
BackshopMaybe it got upstaged by KCS and other stories more important and just kept getting pushed back.
Overmod I'm looking forward to an open discussion of how, exactly, the original 'forum thread' came to be published, and who exactly (by name) changed the article name to 'railroading in 2040' for the magazine. It is they, more than Jim Wrinn, who need to apologize and prove repentance.
I'm looking forward to an open discussion of how, exactly, the original 'forum thread' came to be published, and who exactly (by name) changed the article name to 'railroading in 2040' for the magazine. It is they, more than Jim Wrinn, who need to apologize and prove repentance.
This month's, I'm told...
oltmannd Lithonia Operator I'm not seeing any note about this from Jim Wrinn in the December issue. However, the lead time for monthly magazines is surprisingly long. So the January issue might be the soonest it was able to be done. When Don contacted Wrinn, this current issue may easily have already been "put to bed." He told me "next" and I'm assuming January...
Lithonia Operator I'm not seeing any note about this from Jim Wrinn in the December issue. However, the lead time for monthly magazines is surprisingly long. So the January issue might be the soonest it was able to be done. When Don contacted Wrinn, this current issue may easily have already been "put to bed."
I'm not seeing any note about this from Jim Wrinn in the December issue.
However, the lead time for monthly magazines is surprisingly long. So the January issue might be the soonest it was able to be done.
When Don contacted Wrinn, this current issue may easily have already been "put to bed."
He told me "next" and I'm assuming January...
Not seeing anything in the January issue ...
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