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Defining start & finish of my rail trips:
As promised
charlie hebdoYork: Almost all your posts are espousals of your political views.
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Murphy Siding charlie hebdo Murphy Siding All this time I thought you were an underemployed animator. Based on your prior experience as a volunteer moderator, perhaps you could speculate/inform those of us interested as to why David K. repeatedly is allowed to break one or more of the Forum TOS? Firelock: Why do you see the need for chastise Joe for not posting about his NH experiences rather than his posts about v, t, and s, when you give David a pass to post endlessly about riding a bus and trolley back and forth to his Yeshiva, rather than his interesting accounts of NY-area trains in the 40s and 50s? I got nothin'. I got out of that gig about 10 years ago and a lot of things have changed. This reminds me of meeting 3 younger members on the forum about 12-13 years ago. They said they found great amusement in how "a bunch of old guys"(That's us, like it or not) argue forever about stupid stuff. They were right on.
charlie hebdo Murphy Siding All this time I thought you were an underemployed animator. Based on your prior experience as a volunteer moderator, perhaps you could speculate/inform those of us interested as to why David K. repeatedly is allowed to break one or more of the Forum TOS? Firelock: Why do you see the need for chastise Joe for not posting about his NH experiences rather than his posts about v, t, and s, when you give David a pass to post endlessly about riding a bus and trolley back and forth to his Yeshiva, rather than his interesting accounts of NY-area trains in the 40s and 50s?
Murphy Siding All this time I thought you were an underemployed animator.
All this time I thought you were an underemployed animator.
Based on your prior experience as a volunteer moderator, perhaps you could speculate/inform those of us interested as to why David K. repeatedly is allowed to break one or more of the Forum TOS?
Firelock: Why do you see the need for chastise Joe for not posting about his NH experiences rather than his posts about v, t, and s, when you give David a pass to post endlessly about riding a bus and trolley back and forth to his Yeshiva, rather than his interesting accounts of NY-area trains in the 40s and 50s?
I got nothin'. I got out of that gig about 10 years ago and a lot of things have changed.
This reminds me of meeting 3 younger members on the forum about 12-13 years ago. They said they found great amusement in how "a bunch of old guys"(That's us, like it or not) argue forever about stupid stuff. They were right on.
True on all counts, though your informed opinion would have been valuable.
York: Almost all your posts are espousals of your political views. That's certainly not true of Joe. Not sure about Convicted One or the others but I'll plead guilty to some political posts.
charlie hebdoperhaps you could speculate/inform those of us interested as to why David K. repeatedly is allowed to break one or more of the Forum TOS?
I would guess it's for the same reason several of David's critics are allowed to break the Forum TOS on political comments.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
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243129Ah the sniper returns to take my statement out of context to do what he does best, take pot shots. Perhaps someday you can surprise us by posting something of substance.
See - you identify me as a sniper*. And who doesn't know that? We all have identities self-proclaimed or assigned (or in this case - both).
Thank you, sir, for proving my point. If I ever meet you in life - I'm offering you a big hug! (well, if and once all the social distancing stuff ends). Stay safe all.
*-Although saying you're a retired engineer is a pretty weak snipe. I mean, you are. I don't think anyone here doesn't know that. Anyone?
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
zugmann 243129 I am a retired locomotive engineer and do not feel the need to interject that fact into 90% of my postings on a RAILROAD FORUM. Ok everybody - Raise your hand if you did not know 243129 was a reitred locomotive engineer? Hell, raise your hand if you didn't know I am an engineer? Anybody? Anyone?
243129 I am a retired locomotive engineer and do not feel the need to interject that fact into 90% of my postings on a RAILROAD FORUM.
Ok everybody -
Raise your hand if you did not know 243129 was a reitred locomotive engineer?
Hell, raise your hand if you didn't know I am an engineer?
Anybody? Anyone?
Ah the sniper returns to take my statement out of context to do what he does best, take pot shots. Perhaps someday you can surprise us by posting something of substance.
Flintlock76o. If you don't like what David has to say then DAMN IT DON'T READ HIS POSTS! What more there is to say I don't know.
As you just now have proven, that is far easier to say than to do.
And, is that really a fair disclaimer? If that were the standard operative, what is to keep anyone from using the same logic to excuse their "excess"?
More troubling, it appears that David has now copied in it's entirety a copyrighted work (the NS story above including a Getty Image). Which inspired me to go over to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency's website, and review their policies.
You may find the following to be of interest https://www.jta.org/terms-of-use Scroll down to the section labeled "Restrictions On Use"
And, I'm sure I don't have to remind anyone how the local authority feels about use of unauthorized materials on it's website, nor HOW IT HAS HISTORICALLY DEALT WITH THE ISSUE IN THE PAST
After reviewing this whole thread very thoroughly, I consider your statement about as rediculous as my trying to fly to the moon through my own efforts.
And this is one of about 10 current threads on Trains and Classic Trains, and the other nine don't even have a word about my religion. Including the one on news from Israal. railroad news.
I opened this thread about what I consider a railroad matter that happened to involve my religous group. Except for your use of the word Israel in your posting, how many times do you find the word Israel used By Me on this thread prior to your most recent posting? Go ahead, count! And except for the explanaition of the hebrew woreds ribbit and yeshiva, both response to "challenges (I.ll be polite), there is no religious material from me whatsoever. Except my constant plea for tolerance.
I recently did get an email from a reader who wishes to remain anonomous, since he has been called bad names. He is taking a vacation from posting, but I hope he will return with renewed vigor.
All right, I wasn't going to jump in but now I will. Damn it.
Look, I enjoy reading David's posts and learn something from him every time I do. If you don't like what David has to say then DAMN IT DON'T READ HIS POSTS!
What more there is to say I don't know.
"12345" I'm particularly disappointed in you! As a long-term employee of the New Haven, one of the more famous "Fallen Flag" roads you should be regaling us with stories of your life on the job with them. I'm sure you've got some interesting stories to tell, some sad, some hilarious, but all you seem to do on this Forum is spout bile and your anger at the world. That's your priviledge, but let me tell you I and others (None of your business who, but there's lots of them!) find YOU very tiresome and repetitive. I gave up reading your posts a long time ago. I don't care anymore if Amtrak won't listen to you and neither do a lot of others.
There. I'm done. I'm through with this topic. Anyone else can have the last word. I'm not egotistical enough to demand it for myself.
daveklepperThe point-of-view that permits you to call me a "Troll" seems to me that: An active or retired truck driver or truck dispatacher can continually identify himself or herself such on this website. Ditto for a Catholic priest, either by himself or by the poster, and a college student, and a variety of others. But not anyone studying at an Orthodox Jewish Religious Adademy.
You bring up your Jewish heritage and your love for Israel to the point of annoyance. What part of that don't you get? I am a retired locomotive engineer and do not feel the need to interject that fact into 90% of my postings on a RAILROAD FORUM.
Your portrayal of a 'victim' is Academy Award-worthy.
The Beit HaMidrash in Voitzhin, Russia, was the first to call itself a Yeshiva, 1906. It was named the Etz Chaim Yeshiva, and its reputation was such that its courses and general progrqm were emulated by Betai HaMidrash throughout Europe. Historians apparently have applieid the label of Yeshiva to each Beit HaMidrash before that.
Should have the Jastrow scans posted tomorrow morning.
The point-of-view that permits you to call me a "Troll" seems to me that:
An active or retired truck driver or truck dispatacher can continually identify himself or herself such on this website.
Ditto for a Catholic priest, either by himself or by the poster, and a college student, and a variety of others.
But not anyone studying at an Orthodox Jewish Religious Adademy.
I hope Overmod, Flintlock, and Miningman might agree I have a right to disagree with that point-of-view.
Concerning the Dutch Railway System, I posted it because it is a railroad news item, and not because I wish to take any side in the controversy. Before I took one side or the other, I would have to learn:
What's the yearly income of the average Dutch family?
Have the Dutch People received compensation from Germany, and has any of this been passed to Dutch Jewish famiies that suffered losses and deaths of family members in the Holocaust and how much per family or per victim?
Have Dutch Jews received any direct compensation from Germany and how much?
What were the profits of the Dutch railway system by doing the Nazis' work and how much is this reflected in the railway system today?
I might then be in a possition to weigh-in on this matter. I would bare-in-mind the thought of Dutch family possibly impovished through no fault of their own, if there are any, becauses of a lack of an adequate Dutch welfare support system, being neighbors of a Dutch Jewish family considerably better-off, specifically because of Holocaust-compensation payments. So I would also have to learn about the Dutch welfare system.
Charlie, is this research that you would like to undertake?
A liar is someone who tells lies. Stating "don't feed the troll" was not name calling but an accurate request to stop responding to a habitual poster who seems incapable of realizing his posts are inflammatory and not wanted on a rail forum. He seems to feel he is entitled to continue with this pattern. We can speculate why, but that would be telling.
I have no more to say.
I render no opinion on the Dutch question and am simply reporting.
You have every right to your opnion. I don't know enough about the actual Occupation conditions to have an opninion.
Troll isn't name caling?
I've cxalled no-one an habitual liar.
Just that specific opinions expressed aboutr me are provably wrong
Thomas Edison still was a great American.
"We've got to be taught, before it's too late...."
243129 charlie hebdo Stop feeding the troll. He's playing a sick game. I agree charlie.
charlie hebdo Stop feeding the troll. He's playing a sick game.
I agree charlie.
charlie hebdoStop feeding the troll. He's playing a sick game.
This is getting pretty stale. David K is either playing word games or else is having a cognitive lapse. If he is saying people are posting lies (actually opinions) then it is disingenuous for him to claim he is not calling them liars.
Stop feeding the troll. He's playing a sick game.
1. You were the one saying that you refused to be a victim. I merely replied that you'd been playing the victim from the beginning. Once you bring a subject up, you're fair game.
2. The Netherlands was under German occupation. I don't see why they should have to pay anything at all in compensation. They had no choice. And yet, people alive today who weren't even born 75 years ago are saying it's not enough. That's distasteful.
1. "Playing the victim" was the most recent.
2. Denyal of the two good qualities mentioned, empathy and tolerance.
daveklepper People on this thread have called me names,
Show where you have been called names.
daveklepper I have only described specific statements of people as lies while denying calling them liers per say . In particular, specific posts can be reposted to oindicate thatL
Please repost what you refer to as lies.
1/ Regarding the Word Yeshiva: Any modern Hebrew-English dictionary will tell you the word is used for meetings in general as well as Rabbinical and other religious academies. The word is derived from the word sit or sat, Yoshav, Yashat. You will not find the word in Talmudic or Biblical Hebrew, with the exceptions that I will enumerate. The word for a religious house of study in Biblical and Talmudic days is Beit HaMidrash, with an ordinary school labeled Beit HaSafer, House of Books, and a library Sifriyah, Place of Books (Like Yeshiva is a place of sitting, literally.) Again with exceptions, Yeshiva is not used in Biblican and Talmudic Hebrew.
One exception is a story in the Talmud, where it is used for another purpose than a Rabbinical Academy or even any place of study. I will obtain the Jastrow dictionary, scan the appropriate enty and post it.
The other eception is a Tallmudic description of the Olam HaBah, the World to Come, when the great Torah Sages will gather a one gathering, a Yeshiva, and Moses will be the teacher.
Until the middle of the 19th Century, the only word used for a religous house of study was Beit HaMidrash. Then one Beit HaMidrash saw the value of adopting the Yeshiva stoy of Moses in the World-to-Come, and the name caught on. But in Israel, where people use Hebrew in daily life, the original meaning is retained, along with the newer meaning. In addition to finding the Jastrow, posting the entry, I will also try and find who was the originator of the use of the word Yeshiva for a religious house of study.
And it perfectly reasonable for Diasporah Jews, those living outside of Israel, not using Hebrew in daily conversation, to restrict the use of "Yeshiva" only the a Beit HaMidrash, a Jewish Religious House of Study.
2. I deny having shown hostility to anyone. People on this thread have called me names, but I have only described specific statements of people as lies while denying calling them liers per say . In particular, specific posts can be reposted to oindicate that:
I have as much empathy for people in general as other posters.
I accept the right of other people to their own belief systems or or lack of any speciific belief system without wishing to change their beliefs to coincide with mine.
Using the word Yeshiva simiply to indicate the start or end of a journey when describing transportation issues does not in any way force my religioun on you. And if identifying myself as a part of a specific religious group offends you, that is a problem for you, and rather than being offended, just don't read my posts.
Similarly using the word Yeshiva in describing Israel's response to the Coronavirus problem.
If you feel that the above is hostile and hateful, my answer then is just "Tough, don't read my posts." And if you post further accusations contrary to my statements that I have as much empathy as anyone, or am as tolerant as anyone, I'll simply have to repost past postings disproving these accusations.
Here is another Railroad-Related news item. If my posting it offends you, don't read my posts:
From the Jewish Telegraphic Agnecy, for redisstribution:
“Instead of working together with the Jewish community to acknowledge the past and provide a ‘collective expression of recognition,’ NS has chosen once again to act with disregard to the Jewish community that was devastated by NS’s actions during the Holocaust. We urge NS to reconsider,” Eddo Verdoner, president of the Central Jewish Board, wrote in a statement about his organization’s meeting with the chief executive officer of NS, Roger van Boxtel.
“It is a shame that NS has chosen not to take this opportunity” to address the subject, said Gideon Taylor, WJRO’s chair of operations.
NS did not respond directly to the criticism.
“NS considers cooperation with these deportations by the occupying forces to be a black page in the history of the company,” read the NS statement, which offered an overview of its restitution expenditures and contributions to commemorative projects.
The above is copied without comment, except that I do not specifically judge who is right or wrong in the argument. Dave Klepper
Since Wiki isn't good enough, how about Britannica, Merriam-Webster and Chabad?
https://www.britannica.com/topic/yeshiva
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/yeshiva
https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/4407857/jewish/What-Is-a-Yeshiva.htm
Back to another point I made--there isn't any difference for the victim whether you're gassed, shot, starved or worked to death.
Convicted One daveklepper I do not know of any other group than Jews who had both special trains to the camps and also were forced to enter the gas chambers. You say "don't read my posts if you consider them offensive" I have to ask you, (personally) would you be inclined to be similarly charitable if someone came on here and started posting rhetoric specific to Israel's acts of "man's inhumanity to man", or would you go back on some bent insisting that your "survival" is a stake, and you there fore have no choice but to argue? Like I said earlier, your take on what should be considered "reasonable" appears to be very one sided. We don't come on here posting about the massacres at (example) Sabra and Shatila as a gesture of cooperation, trying to be considerate of the feelings of others who might be offended by those truths. That you seem to feel no reason to reciprocate, is troubling. Let me flip the logic. If you feel like you are being attacked every time you bring up sensitive topics, then perhaps you should stop bringing up sensitive topics?
daveklepper I do not know of any other group than Jews who had both special trains to the camps and also were forced to enter the gas chambers.
You say "don't read my posts if you consider them offensive" I have to ask you, (personally) would you be inclined to be similarly charitable if someone came on here and started posting rhetoric specific to Israel's acts of "man's inhumanity to man", or would you go back on some bent insisting that your "survival" is a stake, and you there fore have no choice but to argue?
Like I said earlier, your take on what should be considered "reasonable" appears to be very one sided.
We don't come on here posting about the massacres at (example) Sabra and Shatila as a gesture of cooperation, trying to be considerate of the feelings of others who might be offended by those truths. That you seem to feel no reason to reciprocate, is troubling.
Let me flip the logic. If you feel like you are being attacked every time you bring up sensitive topics, then perhaps you should stop bringing up sensitive topics?
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I don't think anyone has attacked David. He calls it an attack when anyone dares to disagree with his "need" to constantly remind us all that he lives in Israel and conducts his online activities from a Yeshiva. I'm not even going to speculate as to his "need" to wear his residency on his sleeve.
The original post was about Germany's memorializing a sad period of its shameful history and in at least two train stations with historical connections to the Holocaust, a good thing to have been done. I really think David should stop projecting his own hostility towards others and acknowledge his resentment. The others should just ignore his posts.
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