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Prosecutors: Engineer deliberately ran train off tracks in attempt to smash the USNS Mercy

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Prosecutors: Engineer deliberately ran train off tracks in attempt to smash the USNS Mercy
Posted by MarknLisa on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:29 PM
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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:43 PM

Weirdest train story in a long time.  What the heck? Fortunate that is was unsuccessful.

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Posted by ChuckCobleigh on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 7:57 PM

Looking at the story, it sounds like the engineer could had been of the ilk that believed in the "white boxcars with shackles" story. 

Just sayin'.

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Posted by caldreamer on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:04 PM

I am VERY suprised that they did not charge him with domestic terrorism.  He deserves to be locked up in ADX Florence for the rest of his life.

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:18 PM

Gee, what's the date today?  Dunce

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:20 PM

The charges are probably going to be escalated especially since 1st we are in a national emergency. 2 nd the port is a vital component of commerce and lastly he was trying to damage a freaking hospital ship ordered there by the President.   This guy will be lucky to see daylight again as a free man.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:21 PM

The fact he thought he coudl get close to it with his engine?  Really, these things don't do well once you leave the rails.  

 

Maybe he was smoking those big complimentary cigars the railroad supplied in the red box in the cab?

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by NDG on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:25 PM

 What Next????


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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:29 PM

zugmann

The fact he thought he coudl get close to it with his engine?  Really, these things don't do well once you leave the rails.  

 

Maybe he was smoking those big complimentary cigars the railroad supplied in the red box in the cab?

 

Cigars? Are you sure they are not dynamite? That's what a little boy who looked in the flagman's supply that was fastened to the gate at the rear of a passenger car thought he saw.

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Posted by zugmann on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:33 PM

Deggesty
Cigars? Are you sure they are not dynamite? That's what a little boy who looked in the flagman's supply that was fastened to the gate at the rear of a passenger car thought he saw.

Years ago, we had to watch a cheesy company safety video about "terrorism and YOU!" or some such...

Every scene was of a pile of fusees taped together.  

 

And yes, there have been people that have called the police because some poor conductor left a pile of fusees on a car after switching an industry or similar. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by SD70Dude on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:37 PM

Convicted One

Gee, what's the date today?  Dunce

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:52 PM

I believe that the event actually happened, it's featured at the LA Times' website as well.

I just don't believe that the engineer is being sincere about his motives.

The article states that an "engineer" did this. Now if the operator was just some whack job off the street, who seized control of an unattended engine then I might accept the story at face value. But I can't imagine an experienced engineer believing he could make the entire distance.

There are some stories  in nature where a virus actually takes control of the hosts mind to make the host behave in ways conducive to the virus' life cycle.......so MAYBE  the virus didn't know that the engine couldn't travel that far. But until we test the engineer for the virus (as well as other well known compounds) I really think we are not going to get the whole story here.

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 8:56 PM

All this happened yesterday. Getting weirder by the minute.

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Posted by York1 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:10 PM

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:20 PM

     So, does an engineer lose his license for something like this? You know- not being in control of his train or some such?

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Posted by Convicted One on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:30 PM

Wouldn't that be a clincher?  If spontaneous dementia ended up being a symptom of the Covid-19 disease?

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Posted by Flintlock76 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 9:48 PM

Maybe this whack job thought "The Flying Diesel Corps" was still recruiting?

http://ogrforum.ogaugerr.com/topic/flying-diesel-corps  

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:03 PM

Convicted One
But I can't imagine an experienced engineer believing he could make the entire distance.

Passion is a funny thing...

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Posted by samfp1943 on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:10 PM

Convicted One

Wouldn't that be a clincher?  If spontaneous dementia ended up being a symptom of the Covid-19 disease?

               C-O : That was in California.....Confused

              I would suppose that "The Engineer" was more like, under the influence.. Sounds like his 'recreational pharmacuiticals  had ganged up on him and then run amok. Mischief 

            I'd like to be 'a fly on the wall' when that engineer has a meeting with his supervisor...How will his 'Business Agent' explain that one away? Whistling

 

 


 

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Posted by M636C on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 10:12 PM

What is the locomotive involved?

It looks like it started life as a GP40 or GP40-2.

It doesn't have dynamic brakes but has a box like an enlarged air box cover over the engine. I assume, this being California that it has been re-engined with a low emissions engine...

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 11:19 PM

ChuckCobleigh
Looking at the story, it sounds like the engineer could had been of the ilk that believed in the "white boxcars with shackles" story. 

Just sayin'.

Definately several cars without markers short of a train!

Never too old to have a happy childhood!

              

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Posted by Miningman on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 11:37 PM

M636C-- Started life as Boston and Maine GP38 #254.

Rebuilt by MPI into something called a MP20B-3. 

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Posted by NorthWest on Wednesday, April 1, 2020 11:52 PM

MP20Bs are 4 axle 38/40 series EMDs reeninged with the MTU 12V4000 by MPI.

PHL has a lot more MP20Cs.

UP also has a few MP20Bs, one of which resides in Portland. I've seen it in service, but don't know how well it is liked.

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Posted by SSW9389 on Thursday, April 2, 2020 12:38 AM

Miningman

M636C-- Started life as Boston and Maine GP38 #254.

Rebuilt by MPI into something called a MP20B-3. 

 

Almost, but not quite, this unit traces back to Maine Central #254. It was originally built by EMD as serial #32663 on order #7246.
 
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Posted by LensCapOn on Thursday, April 2, 2020 8:43 AM

SSW9389

 

 
Miningman

M636C-- Started life as Boston and Maine GP38 #254.

Rebuilt by MPI into something called a MP20B-3. 

 

 

Almost, but not quite, this unit traces back to Maine Central #254. It was originally built by EMD as serial #32663 on order #7246.
 
 

The loco is a Motive Power Industries MP20B-3. (because I'm a train nut, that's why) . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPI_MP20B

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Posted by CMStPnP on Thursday, April 2, 2020 9:45 AM

The locomotive engineer made several wierd statements to the FBI and press about various issues.   I wonder what Pacific Harbor Belt Railroad is thinking now about it's employee screening.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:56 AM

LensCapOn
SSW9389
Miningman

M636C-- Started life as Boston and Maine GP38 #254.

Rebuilt by MPI into something called a MP20B-3. 

The loco is a Motive Power Industries MP20B-3. (because I'm a train nut, that's why) . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MPI_MP20B

 Because I was curious, as well: 

  Here is a C&P from the Wikidedia link provided above:

The MPI MP20B is a diesel-electric locomotive designed and built by MotivePower in Boise, Idaho.

Specifications

"...It has a 2,000 hp (1,490 kW) MTU-Detroit Diesel 12V4000 Engine. It weighs approximately 277,000 lb and is 59 ft 2 in long. It has a maximum speed of 70 mph (113 km/h). It also includes a B-B wheel arrangement and an optional dynamic brake. It includes a continuous tractive effort of 55,000 lbf (240,000 N) and a starting tractive effort of 85,000 lbf (380,000 N).[1]..."

Strange behavior for an Engineer; who was apparently a union member, and a 'normal' employee(?)  Hopefully, the first thing the company did after the incident was a drug screen...and then a psych exam! 

 

 

 


 

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Posted by Overmod on Thursday, April 2, 2020 11:58 AM

And for those of you who are engine nuts (and not interested in a long deep dive to figure out that MTU is now a Rolls-Royce company, like Allison):

https://www.mtu-solutions.com/na/en/applications/rail/locomotive-solutions.html

These engines appear to be 'off' most railfans' radar.  Note that Pacific Harbor Lines was also an early adopter and one of the principal users of Caterpillar re-engined locomotives.  The 4000 series was introduced at the end of the '90s and received a substantial upgrade circa 2007; interestingly enough the one in the locomotive in question was manufactured here, in Aiken SC.

I believe these are related to the Maybach engines that, for example, are in the reconstructed Krauss-Maffei -- the branding switch from Maybach to MTU for the high-speed engines in this range did not take place long before introduction of the 4000 series.

For tech fiends, the engines use a modified Miller cycle, the common-rail injectors are independently addressable (so cylinder-interruption management is possible) and pilot, main, and afterinjection can be independently modulated for an optimized mix of power and emissions.

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Posted by Backshop on Thursday, April 2, 2020 12:08 PM

White ships, black helicopters...it's all the same...

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