"An environmental reporter in Massachusetts posted a video on Twitter late Monday that she said showed a freight train hauling coal being met with a group of climate change activists on a dark track........"
https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-climate-activists-seen-in-video-trying-to-block-freight-train-hauling-coal-tweet-claims
Victrola1 "An environmental reporter in Massachusetts posted a video on Twitter late Monday that she said showed a freight train hauling coal being met with a group of climate change activists on a dark track........" https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-climate-activists-seen-in-video-trying-to-block-freight-train-hauling-coal-tweet-claims
The utilities should block the electricity going to their home.... Let’s see if they can survive without the comfort of power generation..
SD60MAC9500 Victrola1 "An environmental reporter in Massachusetts posted a video on Twitter late Monday that she said showed a freight train hauling coal being met with a group of climate change activists on a dark track........" https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-climate-activists-seen-in-video-trying-to-block-freight-train-hauling-coal-tweet-claims The utilities should block the electricity going to their home.... Let’s see if they can survive without the comfort of power generation..
CSSHEGEWISCH SD60MAC9500 Victrola1 "An environmental reporter in Massachusetts posted a video on Twitter late Monday that she said showed a freight train hauling coal being met with a group of climate change activists on a dark track........" https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-climate-activists-seen-in-video-trying-to-block-freight-train-hauling-coal-tweet-claims The utilities should block the electricity going to their home.... Let’s see if they can survive without the comfort of power generation.. And what would be the legal basis for such an action? This assumes that the protestors reside within the utility's service area.
What legal basis do they have trespassing on Private Property? If you want to protest go do it elsewhere on public property. If the crew wasn’t alerted to these drones presence possibly resulting in mutilation, or death then what? There’s Medical, Commercial, and Residential properties that rely on timely delivery of coal to this plant... Attempting to block commerce in a dangerous manner is basis for legal action...
SD60MAC9500 CSSHEGEWISCH SD60MAC9500 Victrola1 "An environmental reporter in Massachusetts posted a video on Twitter late Monday that she said showed a freight train hauling coal being met with a group of climate change activists on a dark track........" https://www.foxnews.com/us/new-hampshire-climate-activists-seen-in-video-trying-to-block-freight-train-hauling-coal-tweet-claims The utilities should block the electricity going to their home.... Let’s see if they can survive without the comfort of power generation.. And what would be the legal basis for such an action? This assumes that the protestors reside within the utility's service area. What legal basis do they have trespassing on Private Property? If you want to protest go do it elsewhere on public property. If the crew wasn’t alerted to these drones presence possibly resulting in mutilation, or death then what? There’s Medical, Commercial, and Residential properties that rely on timely delivery of coal to this plant... Attempting to block commerce in a dangerous manner is basis for legal action...
Now if the protesters had cut the power lines to their own house, then I might be impressed. Otherwise, as pointed out above, they are endangering the lives of others who depend upon electrically powered health-care devices. (yeah, I know power plants have a buffer supply, but its the principle of the thing.)
SD60MAC9500What legal basis do they have trespassing on Private Property?
There seems to be mixed feelings on this board over that particular issue. When the obstructionists are unemployed mine workers seeking back pay, sympathy over property rights of the railroad was almost non-existent.
So I suspect the color of one's collar factors into that decision?
Convicted One SD60MAC9500 What legal basis do they have trespassing on Private Property? There seems to be mixed feelings on this board over that particular issue. When the obstructionists are unemployed mine workers seeking back pay, sympathy over property rights of the railroad was almost non-existent. So I suspect the color of one's collar factors into that decision?
SD60MAC9500 What legal basis do they have trespassing on Private Property?
Not with me, I've never been in support of any protest, for any cause, that interferes with the daily commerce or activities of law abiding hard working people.
Hold up a sign, tell me you are unhappy and why, but don't think you have the right to limit my rights in the process.
And don't think you are going to threaten or intimidate me in the public square. Go ahead lay a hand on me, I will be happy to have you locked up, even if I support your cause.
Sheldon
ATLANTIC CENTRALNot with me,
Yeah, you've proven time and again just what a truly unique person that you are.
ATLANTIC CENTRALNot with me, I've never been in support of any protest, for any cause, that interferes with the daily commerce or activities of law abiding hard working people. Hold up a sign, tell me you are unhappy and why, but don't think you have the right to limit my rights in the process.
Would have made the boston tea party boring.
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zugmann ATLANTIC CENTRAL Not with me, I've never been in support of any protest, for any cause, that interferes with the daily commerce or activities of law abiding hard working people. Hold up a sign, tell me you are unhappy and why, but don't think you have the right to limit my rights in the process. Would have made the boston tea party boring.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL Not with me, I've never been in support of any protest, for any cause, that interferes with the daily commerce or activities of law abiding hard working people. Hold up a sign, tell me you are unhappy and why, but don't think you have the right to limit my rights in the process.
The Boston Tea Party, firing on Fort Sumter, acts of civil disobedience undertaken by people who accepted the risks and the possible rewards..........
It seems to me some of those people signed a paper pledging their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor. And many lost those things.
How much are these people willing to commit?
Remember, no-one was killed or injured or inconvenienced by the Boston Tea Party, the Venerable East India Company lost some inventory, that's all.
Whether or not the act of vandalism, which it was, was justified or not is a matter for another discussion. The over-reaction by the British government was certainly a mistake on their part.
Flintlock76 Remember, no-one was killed or injured or inconvenienced by the Boston Tea Party, the Venerable East India Company lost some inventory, that's all. Whether or not the act of vandalism, which it was, was justified or not is a matter for another discussion. The over-reaction by the British government was certainly a mistake on their part.
Agreed.
Very inconvenienced! They destroyed three ships' cargoes of tea, 342 chests, 90,000 pounds in weight, worth about £9000, which in today's money would be about $1,700,000. So a major destruction of property of the East India Company (later notorious as opium traffickers).
I was told that all or most of the tresspssers were arrested and charged.
charlie hebdoVery inconvenienced! They destroyed three ships' cargoes of tea, 342 chests, 90,000 pounds in weight, worth about £9000, which in today's money would be about $1,700,000.
How quickly we forget.
Whether or not we have a Sam Adams who could have, in my opinion, been played very well by James Dean, a large part of the reason the Tea Party succeeded as it did was that the tea on the ships was being kept from landing, and the ships could not depart until it was. The captains and crews, therefore, happily turned a blind eye to 'Indians' creeping around their decks, and presumably took on outbound cargo and/or departed ASAP. No longer inconvenienced.
I have been advised that the tea was shipped carefully sealed in lead sheets, to protect it during the long voyage. Much of it was subsequently raised and used... presumably under some kind of salvage rights.
It's possible, of course, that this is a kind of reverse-revisionist patriotic excusing, a bit like the Texas textbooks that officially claim Lincoln had a rousingly positive reaction to that great speech, the Gettysburg Address. But it wasn't exactly a Sendero Luminoso moment of hitting the usurpers right in the place they valued most ... their pocketbooks ... either.
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James dean as Sam Adams? I don't know, I think someone capable of more intensity would be called for, say, Tyrone Power.
Also, it's a bit risky to extrapolate 18th Century monetary values into current values, too many things have changed since those days. Writers of popular histories nowadays do so to give a modern reader something to easily "grab" onto and itentify with.
The best historians of the period I've read say the best thing to do is look at the purchasing power of the time. For example, Charlie said the VEIC lost 9,000 pounds with the destruction of the tea. Compare that to this, the average family in 1773 (father, mother, three or four children) could live very well on 40 pounds a year. The pay of a captain in the Royal Navy was 100 pounds a year.
So, look at those figures and you can get a good idea of how much money 9,000 pounds amounted to in those days.
Flintlock76James dean as Sam Adams? I don't know, I think someone capable of more intensity would be called for, say, Tyrone Power.
I'm talking about the firecracker, juvenile delinquent, acts before he thinks Sam Adams. The Rebel Without a Cause character. Tyrone Power is FAR too suave...
Yes, but Tyrone could smoulder... Sam smouldered more than he blew up.
Didn't drink enough of his own beer, if you ask me.
Flintlock76 James dean as Sam Adams? I don't know, I think someone capable of more intensity would be called for, say, Tyrone Power. Also, it's a bit risky to extrapolate 18th Century monetary values into current values, too many things have changed since those days. Writers of popular histories nowadays do so to give a modern reader something to easily "grab" onto and itentify with. The best historians of the period I've read say the best thing to do is look at the purchasing power of the time. For example, Charlie said the VEIC lost 9,000 pounds with the destruction of the tea. Compare that to this, the average family in 1773 (father, mother, three or four children) could live very well on 40 pounds a year. The pay of a captain in the Royal Navy was 100 pounds a year. So, look at those figures and you can get a good idea of how much money 9,000 pounds amounted to in those days.
Good point. It was a lot of money.
charlie hebdoGood point. It was a lot of money.
But we should probably use the 'cost of goods sold' rather than some version of 'fair market value' or asked price, as the tea hadn't been sold (and was highly unlikely to be easily sold at any price, let alone what the East India mercantilists would normally flog it for in a captive market, due to what would later come to be called the boycott on it, which effectively survives today in US-American hot caffeinated beverage preferences...)
To get this we'd actually need to know the price paid to harvest and blend the tea, package and seal it for shipment, and get it aboard ship. I suspect that at the kinds of 18th-century rate the British could command, this would be nowhere near an aggregate of "9000 English Pounds" and a reasonable historian of the period could give us a more reasoned number.
It would still be lavishly high in modern dollars, of course, so the point is not to be disproved, only the magnitude of the 'crime'.
Overmod charlie hebdo Good point. It was a lot of money. But we should probably use the 'cost of goods sold' rather than some version of 'fair market value' or asked price, as the tea hadn't been sold (and was highly unlikely to be easily sold at any price, let alone what the East India mercantilists would normally flog it for in a captive market, due to what would later come to be called the boycott on it, which effectively survives today in US-American hot caffeinated beverage preferences...) To get this we'd actually need to know the price paid to harvest and blend the tea, package and seal it for shipment, and get it aboard ship. I suspect that at the kinds of 18th-century rate the British could command, this would be nowhere near an aggregate of "9000 English Pounds" and a reasonable historian of the period could give us a more reasoned number. It would still be lavishly high in modern dollars, of course, so the point is not to be disproved, only the magnitude of the 'crime'.
charlie hebdo Good point. It was a lot of money.
Not so complicated. The price of tea then was about two shillings per pound.The comparison of prices UK is from a retail price index for inflation, 1209-present by Gregory Clark. published in 2017.
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