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Posted by mudchicken on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 2:09 PM

Murphy Siding

 

 
rrnut282

Murph,

 

The stringline method still lives.  During the line construction project I was involved with twelve years ago, I helped the Track Foreman measure to one side of the centerline and pull a string on the ensuing marks.  When the string was properly draped, he used spray paint to locate just one end of the ties as they were placed on the sub-grade stone.  

 

 

 

That makes sense as the easiest and therefore quickest way to do it. Of course, the *perfect* way to do it would have been to lay out the centerline of the track and then align the centerline of each tie to it. Mischief 

 

 

Must have perfectly cut ties and plenty of $$$$ up there.

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Posted by tree68 on Wednesday, April 17, 2019 4:38 PM

mudchicken
* 24 ties per rail length ( 19 1/2") spacing is the common standard out west.

Wish I could remember where I saw that it's something like 3200 ties per mile, which is a number I use to explain to folks the cost of rehabbing track.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, April 19, 2019 4:48 PM

Simple math tells us that for these tie spacings, the number of ties per mile would be about:

19-1/2" ==> 3,250

20 per 39' rail, about 23-3/8" ==> 2,707 

20" ==> 3,170 

Back in the day, for lightly used lines (such as yours) the tie spacing would tend to be farther apart. 

ConRail specs for industrial spurs were something like 20/ 39' rail for curves up to and including 8 degrees, 24 per 39' rail for curves sharper than that.  So most tracks would have a mix of spacings. 

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, April 19, 2019 4:56 PM

Murphy Siding
 Where did the tie spacing standard come from? I walked the length of our spur last week and it reminded me that tie spacing is about 3/4 of an average man's step, so that every other step is on ballast. 

Aside from the standard specifications, where they were derived from is a combination of:

  • experience (mostly)
  • tie size (typically either 7x9 for main lines, 6x8 for sidings, yards, branches) 
  • need to spread the load on the ballast through to the subgrade of varying quality - this is essentially a lbs./ square foot kind of determination, and
  • importantly, the space between ties needed for the tampers to inserts their (tools) and be able to properly compact the ballast between and under the tie. 

A solid mat of ties would spread the load the most, would be the most expensive (esp. when the tie plates and spikes are considered), and impossible to tamp = not very practical.

- PDN. 

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Posted by LARRY LUX on Thursday, April 25, 2019 5:43 PM
Modern high quality steel rails are very flexible, thus they can be very long and bendable.

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