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A CABOOSE on a UP train in 2018???

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, June 29, 2018 7:24 PM

We still have cabooses (cabin cars!) that you can get into.  Most of the required devices were removed (heater, lights).  Although I don't know if those things are even in the contracts anymore.

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Posted by BaltACD on Friday, June 29, 2018 6:11 PM

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As stated in above posts, shove platform is the correct defination in leiu of caboose. Labor realtions changed that yrs ago in regards to arbritary pay issues. Simply put, there is no such thing any longer as a caboose

If it were a 'caboose' certain appliances would be required to be on board and operative - crews could, in accordance with FRA Regulations SHOP a cab and refuse to use it unless the required appliances were all operatiing.  Thus the carriers transformed Cabooses into Shoving Platforns - plate the windows, weld the doors and it is no longer a caboose and covered by caboose regulations.

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Posted by SFbrkmn on Friday, June 29, 2018 4:32 PM

As stated in above posts, shove platform is the correct defination in leiu of caboose. Labor realtions changed that yrs ago in regards to arbritary pay issues. Simply put, there is no such thing any longer as a caboose

 

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Posted by cefinkjr on Friday, June 29, 2018 11:39 AM

Actually, the minimal reporting marks that I saw could have been DODX; I saw this from a 12th floor hotel room window about 200 yards from the track.  (The room clerk wondered why I wanted a room on that side of the building.Wink)  But the size, design, and the roof-top, tripod antenna said SP pretty loudly. 

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Posted by 54light15 on Friday, June 29, 2018 9:36 AM

What I saw in Norfolk was a yard full of ordinary rusty gray boxcars that were nothing like the missile car that you posted. Thre had to be at least 30 of them in a small yard. 

When I was first stationed in Norfolk, there was an extensive rail system and most of the piers were rail-served. Just outside the gates was an overpass that led to a railyard that I was told was for bringing coal to the ships for refueling, this was unused and later torn out. 

The base rail system had several GE 44-ton switchers and it made the base newspaper when they bought a Fairbanks-Morse locomotive. I don't recall the type but all of the locos were painted yellow. People would park thier cars on the tracks thinking that they were abandoned. They were not and cars got totalled. 

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:50 PM

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The caboose in that picture is most definitely NOT what I saw.  First, the one I saw was not that "Day Glo" yellow; it was a dark red.  Second, the pictured caboose is a wide-vision type; the one I saw was a bay-window design.

Hey - no problem.  Somebody mentioned DOD, so I found several images...

They actually were in several colors.

 

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Posted by cefinkjr on Thursday, June 28, 2018 11:08 PM

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A "Department of Defense" caboose?

 

They are used for sensitive movements (as in "high security").

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2401571

 

The caboose in that picture is most definitely NOT what I saw.  First, the one I saw was not that "Day Glo" yellow; it was a dark red.  Second, the pictured caboose is a wide-vision type; the one I saw was a bay-window design.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Thursday, June 28, 2018 9:39 PM

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I have seen a MoPac Caboose in MOW Green on use on the Union Pacific before at Henefer, Utah. Technically it wasn't a train since it was being hauled by one of those heavy duty highrail trucks with a few gondolas between it and the crummy (and not a properly crewed locomotive); but I count this as my only UP caboose on the mainline I have seen.

I also have seen a few of the "shoving platforms" around here a few in Salt Lake City, one at Rowley, and another at Milford. Never seen any of them in action though.

 

Cabooses in MOW service are classified as "gang cars."  They are outfitted with seats, cabinets and desk space for use of the foreman and work gang.

I think the OP may have seen a caboose repurposed by a private owner.  I've seen some used for riders that accompany special moves.  When a caboose/shoving platform/gang car is deadheaded by train, placement is still required on the rear end.

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, June 28, 2018 8:48 PM

54light15
A "Department of Defense" caboose?

They are used for sensitive movements (as in "high security").

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPicture.aspx?id=2401571

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Posted by csxns on Thursday, June 28, 2018 5:02 PM

A NS local here uses a caboose also x N&W.

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Posted by SD70Dude on Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:33 PM

Not sure if it is what you saw, but the missile train was a real thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peacekeeper_Rail_Garrison

The Soviets had one too:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RT-23_Molodets

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Posted by 54light15 on Thursday, June 28, 2018 3:27 PM

A "Department of Defense" caboose? Does it split in half and launch a missile like on my cousin's Lionel set from 50 years ago? 

When I was in the Navy at Norfolk Virginia in the 1970s, there was a yard near one of the gates to the base that was full of rusty gray boxcars that never went anywhere. The rumour was that they were missile cars. Nonsense I guess but we never went near them. 

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, June 28, 2018 1:18 PM

There's one floating around Fostoria, OH, too, among others around the country.

A common characteristic is that the windows will all be plated over.  In fact, the entire caboose may be sealed (or secured), leaving only the end platforms as a place for crews to safely stand during push movements.

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Posted by xboxtravis7992 on Thursday, June 28, 2018 12:54 PM

I have seen a MoPac Caboose in MOW Green on use on the Union Pacific before at Henefer, Utah. Technically it wasn't a train since it was being hauled by one of those heavy duty highrail trucks with a few gondolas between it and the crummy (and not a properly crewed locomotive); but I count this as my only UP caboose on the mainline I have seen.

I also have seen a few of the "shoving platforms" around here a few in Salt Lake City, one at Rowley, and another at Milford. Never seen any of them in action though.

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, June 28, 2018 10:40 AM

Could also be a caboose for the department of defense or one of the other private companies that roster them (Kasgro or Siemens for example).

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Posted by mudchicken on Thursday, June 28, 2018 7:28 AM

"shoving platform"

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Posted by Cotton Belt MP104 on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 5:50 PM

Semper Vaporo

More that likely a "local" making deliveries/pickups from local industry(ies) where the engine(s) cannot get on the other end to pull the train back, so the caboose is added to be used as a "shoving platform" for the reverse move.  An employee stands on the caboose porch, with a hand-air-valve to control the brakes if necessary and as a "lookout" for, and in communications via radio with, the engineer.

 

The "local needs" are spot on for an explanation in some areas. I don't have certainty that it was the case in your situation.  Here at Jonesboro AR on the BNSF, it is situation normal, each and every day.  If one saw the switching that they had to do all day long, hoping in and out off the main from KC to Mps. And the spurs that they service are long spurs to industry.    mike endmrw0627181749

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 5:37 PM

More that likely a "local" making deliveries/pickups from local industry(ies) where the engine(s) cannot get on the other end to pull the train back, so the caboose is added to be used as a "shoving platform" for the reverse move.  An employee stands on the caboose porch, with a hand-air-valve to control the brakes if necessary and as a "lookout" for, and in communications via radio with, the engineer.

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A CABOOSE on a UP train in 2018???
Posted by cefinkjr on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 4:53 PM

Believe it or not (I hardly believe my eyes), I just saw a southbound UP mixed freight passing through Durant, OK with a caboose!  I was too far from track side to get reporting marks but it was painted a fairly dark Box Car Red with some small reporting marks in white.  This was a bay window caboose with a tripod radio antenna on the roof that kind of reminds me of SP.

Have I passed through a time warp or something?Indifferent

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