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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, May 27, 2018 9:28 PM

I rode the K&K tourist RR up to the Kinzua Bridge in late summer 2002, after the bridge was closed, and the year before it blew down.  IIRC some pieces of the bridge had already fallen.  Its too bad they did not save at least the last few miles of rail from Mt. Jewett to the bridge.

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Sunday, May 27, 2018 8:07 PM

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Bad shape?  I don't know, the Knox and Kane tourist railroad was running trains over the viaduct (it was the main attraction) until the tornado wrecked it.

Train loads are mainly vertical, wind loads are mainly lateral (horizontal).  The higher the structure, the more overturning force (moment, technically) the wind has. 

It was being repaired/ partially rebuilt by a contractor when the windstorm hit.  I never did get to see it before the partial collapse.  You can now walk out on what's left, as part of the state park:

http://visitanf.com/kinzua-state-park-sky-walk/ 

"A partial glass-bottomed observation deck enables visitors to look down at the remaining towers supporting the historic structure."

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, May 27, 2018 1:06 PM

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Fair enough! You were there and I never was. At least the steam locomotive's still alive and in a good home.

 

Yeah, in a lot better hands I would say. 

 

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, May 27, 2018 11:41 AM

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Fair enough! You were there and I never was. At least the steam locomotive's still alive and in a good home.

Yeah, in a lot better hands I would say. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Sunday, May 27, 2018 11:37 AM

Fair enough!  You were there and I never was.  At least the steam locomotive's still alive and in a good home.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:59 PM

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Bad shape? I don't know, the Knox and Kane tourist railroad was running trains over the viaduct (it was the main attraction) until the tornado wrecked it.

No, it was closed off to the trains before the tornado.  Then closed to pedestrians.  It was in the process of being rebuilt when the storm hit. 

Luckily I was over it on a train a few years before it closed. It was cool.  HAven't been back since it fell.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:43 PM

Bad shape?  I don't know, the Knox and Kane tourist railroad was running trains over the viaduct (it was the main attraction) until the tornado wrecked it.

There were plans to rebuild it but they never came to fruition.  The line's abandoned now, but the steam locomotive's active up in Connecticutt.  It's been rebuilt to resemble a New Haven Mike.

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Posted by zugmann on Saturday, May 26, 2018 9:07 PM

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Midland Mike, the Kinzua Viaduct didn't collapse of it's own accord, it was flattened by a tornado. Considering the power of a tornado it probably wouldn't have mattered how well the viaduct was or wasn't built.

It was in pretty bad shape, though.  Hard to tell what would have happened if it was in decent shape.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, May 26, 2018 8:49 PM

Tree68, that's good to know!

Midland Mike, the Kinzua Viaduct didn't collapse of it's own accord, it was flattened by a tornado.  Considering the power of a tornado it probably wouldn't have mattered how well the viaduct was or wasn't built.

Man and his works are just a pimple on the butt of the world compared to the powers of nature.

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Posted by tree68 on Saturday, May 26, 2018 8:44 PM

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Still, it's a shame the old bridge couldn't have been preserved as a monument to those 19th Century iron workers who built it, but what are you going to do?  New York State didn't want it.

Apparently, there were a number of castings in the structure with the year of construction molded into them.  Some number of them were saved and given to local historical associations, etc.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, May 26, 2018 8:40 PM

When I think of preserving the old bridge, I think of the Kinzua Bridge and its collapse.  

The new bridge crosses the Genesee Gorge ("the Grand Canyon of the East") and the surrounding state park.  The new bridge does seem less esthetically intrusive than the old trestle, and I am glad they cleaned up the site.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, May 26, 2018 6:53 PM

The look of the new bridge is a lot more confidence-building than the old one, that's for certain!  And it does have a classic "railroady" look to it.

Still, it's a shame the old bridge couldn't have been preserved as a monument to those 19th Century iron workers who built it, but what are you going to do?  New York State didn't want it.

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, May 26, 2018 6:25 PM

Old bridge lookd "SPINDLY" and somewhat intrusive. New one looks much more gracefull and stronger. I like it. Nice to see cooperation from politicians. Did NS remove the old piers from the river?

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Norfolk Southern's New Bridge
Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, May 26, 2018 12:53 PM

The new bridge looks a lot nicer than the one it replaced.   Smile

https://www.railwayage.com/mw/norfolk-southern-dedicates-key-southern-tier-bridge/?RAchannel=intermodal

 

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