Time to prevent train collision and derailments caused by untreated obstructive sleep apnea (OSA)

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:46 PM

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A factual article link from NIH. The linkage with overweight and obese is clear.  Of course some thin people may suffer also, but weight is a strong risk factor for OSA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021364/

 

And all of them ate mashed potatoes.  So mashed potatoes is the causitive factor.  Birth is the leading cause of eventual death!

 

You clearly don't understand statistics and research.  Yet youcontinually make inane posts about them.  Most of us respect what you did and if we dared suggest it was just BS, we'd be flailed because we wouldn't have a clue what dispatchers do. I would suggest you try to be a bit more open-minded about empirical medical research as opposed to non-expert opinions.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, May 13, 2018 1:58 PM

charlie hebdo
 
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charlie hebdo
A factual article link from NIH. The linkage with overweight and obese is clear.  Of course some thin people may suffer also, but weight is a strong risk factor for OSA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3021364/ 

And all of them ate mashed potatoes.  So mashed potatoes is the causitive factor.  Birth is the leading cause of eventual death! 

You clearly don't understand statistics and research.  Yet youcontinually make inane posts about them.  Most of us respect what you did and if we dared suggest it was just BS, we'd be flailed because we wouldn't have a clue what dispatchers do. I would suggest you try to be a bit more open-minded about empirical medical research as opposed to non-expert opinions.

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Posted by zugmann on Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:56 PM

charlie hebdo
A factual article link from NIH. The linkage with overweight and obese is clear. Of course some thin people may suffer also, but weight is a strong risk factor for OSA.

My carrier is doing sleep apnea studies for anyone with a BMI over a certain percentage when they take their recert physicals.  Also if other factors are met.

It's hard to keep active when you spend 10+ hours a day sitting on your butt in a cab (truck or train).  Add to that the different shifts, and weekly schedule changes... well, yeah.

The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer or any other railroad, company, or person.

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Posted by zardoz on Sunday, May 13, 2018 9:13 PM

BaltACD
And all of them ate mashed potatoes.  So mashed potatoes is the causitive factor.

Oh no! I'm S.O.L.

mmmmmmm, mashed potoatoes Dinner

Good thing pizza wasn't implicated; if it was, I'd be toast....

 

mmmmmmm, toast.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 7:48 PM

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...empirical medical research...

Like the researcher who "proved" (according to accepted research procedures) that dimes cause cancer.

As Disraeli said - "There's lies, damned lies, and statistics." 

And research results are often the product of who is doing the research, and why. 

That said, I'll go along with the probability that obesity is a factor with OSA, but if it is, maybe we need to take a look at what's causing the obesity (like irregular work schedules, f'rinstance).

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Posted by charlie hebdo on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:13 PM

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Like the researcher who "proved" (according to accepted research procedures) that dimes cause cancer. As Disraeli said - "There's lies, damned lies, and statistics."  And research results are often the product of who is doing the research, and why. 

So if you need a medical procedure or medication, will you ignore the junk science and lying statistics and just eat some mashed potatoes seasoned with dimes?

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 9:36 PM

charlie hebdo
So if you need a medical procedure or medication, will you ignore the junk science and lying statistics and just eat some mashed potatoes seasoned with dimes?

Sure!  The dimes will pass...

And I'll be sure not to get any innoculations, because they might cause autism!

Remember - doctors once touted cigarettes as being good for you.  

Medical research has saved untold lives, but any more you have to look at who did what research to get a feel for what's real, and what's so much blather, designed to sell something.

We can't forget that when I was young, we were going to "cure cancer in our lifetime."  Do you really think that's going to happen as long as there are companies making millions on treating cancer patients?  Take the profit out of cancer treatment and true cures will arrive shortly thereafter.

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 9:00 AM

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...  So the carrier on its own started a OSA treatment program. 

This is good.  Very commendable in my view.

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All drivers diagnosed with it are given the same machine we supply hoses masks humdifier tanks everything needed. 

Darn...and we were doing so well!!  I may be reading too much into this statement, but if it's true on the face, it's bad. People have different needs for PAP.  Some, like me, can get by with straight CPAP at low pressures.  Others with complex apnea need a $3K auto-servo ventilator. If the 'everybody gets the same machine' is an auto capable one, then at least there's that much, but a proper diagnosis must...MUST...be accorded each person who is then to be given the appropriate treatment. This means different capabilities for the equipment.

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...But then we have such a low turnover rate it isn't funny.  I think in the last 6 months we had 20 new faces come into the office as drivers.  They are all still here. 

 

Wow.  If that's a decently low turnover inside of a mere 6 months, and it's atypical for a trucking company these days....[..gulp!..].

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Posted by Shadow the Cats owner on Wednesday, May 16, 2018 2:41 PM

Selector why ours is so low is very simple.  Good pay good well maintained equipment we also treat our drivers as humans when it comes to home time aka familes health insurance that is very good along with several paid holidays and the biggest one for my brats at work we pay for any parking they need on the road their Sat radios.  We make them realize that hey there are good companies our there and they do not want to leave.  

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Saturday, May 19, 2018 6:42 PM

Like Semper Vaporo,and Randy, I use a CPAP (actually, a Bi-PAP) machine and appreciate it. Use is 100% >7hr/night Just came back from Washington DC and took it with me. TSA guy (I asked) said he sees a lot of them as he was checking it. Small hastle for a good nights sleep. Also, Medicare covers 80% of CPAP costs and my supplement takes care of the 20%. 

I like (and wish more were} companies that are as intelligent and employee considerate as Shadow the Cats Owner's and Randy's are. BaltACD, I, like you, have some concerns about "junk science and dislike that there are the adverisers that find Doctors who will say many things for money, but there are risks to all of us from those that deny facts. When kids don't get imunizations because their parents believe that imunizations cause autism, other kids are at risk. And while it is not possible to put a price on a life, the cost of train wrecks is not insignifcant, and if it is the train you and your loved ones are riding on, wouldn't you want to know your engineer was not going to fall asleep at the throttle. OK, I know. PTC will prevent it. But the world is NOT flat. Science works but there are charlatans that will try to manipulate you for their gain. I wonder if BaltACD's comments are in jest. Balt, do you wear a seat belt when you race? Or do you buckle-up all the time? My brother and I installed seat belts in our Dads' 1952 ford in 1954 before they were standard equipment and I never drive without buckling. They Save lives. So lets take advantage of what can improve our lives. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Saturday, May 19, 2018 8:10 PM

Electroliner 1935
I like (and wish more were} companies that are as intelligent and employee considerate as Shadow the Cats Owner's and Randy's are. BaltACD, I, like you, have some concerns about "junk science and dislike that there are the adverisers that find Doctors who will say many things for money, but there are risks to all of us from those that deny facts. When kids don't get imunizations because their parents believe that imunizations cause autism, other kids are at risk. And while it is not possible to put a price on a life, the cost of train wrecks is not insignifcant, and if it is the train you and your loved ones are riding on, wouldn't you want to know your engineer was not going to fall asleep at the throttle. OK, I know. PTC will prevent it. But the world is NOT flat. Science works but there are charlatans that will try to manipulate you for their gain. I wonder if BaltACD's comments are in jest. Balt, do you wear a seat belt when you race? Or do you buckle-up all the time? My brother and I installed seat belts in our Dads' 1952 ford in 1954 before they were standard equipment and I never drive without buckling. They Save lives. So lets take advantage of what can improve our lives. 

Part and parcel of my getting my 1st car back in 1963 is that my parents mandated that I install seat belts in it.  Every car I have owned since have had them (even when not factory installed).  I got rid of my 2003 Durango with 359K on the clock for one reason and one reason alone - the $500+ cost of replacing the driver's seat belt that would no longer extend.  My race cars for the past 30 years have 6 point seat belt systems that get replaced every 3 to 5 years by rule at roughly $200 a pop.  Since 2011 it is also required that I use a Head And Neck System (HANS) of restraint to prevent basel skull fractures (what killed Dale Earnhardt Sr.).

We now live in the world of fake news - it becomes increasingly difficult to sift through all the reports one sees about what is good or bad for you.  One day something is 'good' and seeminly the next it is determined to be 'bad'.  Personally I try to weigh all the 'options' and make my own decisions based upon the best information available - as I understand the information.

I have stayed at Holiday Inn's from time to time but they have never conveyed the 'Expert' crown for any of my areas of knowledge.  As we all know, nothing is perfect and S..T happens!

         

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Saturday, May 19, 2018 9:58 PM

selector
psychiatrist/sleep specialist

How do those two things tie together?

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