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Posted by edblysard on Monday, May 08, 2017 3:56 PM
 
Hope the link works, story about women working on the railroad, concentrates on UP’s first female locomotive engineer, followed by the hiring of their first black female engineer.

 

Not real sure why the author differentiates between the two based on color…my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys!
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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, May 08, 2017 4:08 PM

That looks like an e-mail address... not a web page URL

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Posted by edblysard on Monday, May 08, 2017 4:21 PM

Durn it...let me see how to fix it...

Try this

http://www.up.com/aboutup/community/inside_track/index.htm

 

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, May 08, 2017 4:29 PM

edblysard
…my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys!

That hurt, Ed.

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And why does the truth seem too hard to be true?

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, May 08, 2017 4:56 PM

zugmann
edblysard
…my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys!

That hurt, Ed.

Probably not as bad as if it had said they smell worse... and one of them found out about it!

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Posted by Electroliner 1935 on Monday, May 08, 2017 9:44 PM

Does anyone know how many lady engineers there are today. I know Amtrak has some. When I rode the Carl Sandburg (#381) to Quincy, it had a lady engineer and she was solo in the cab. When the Ft Worth Dispatcher radioed to issue an order for a meet between Galesburg & Quincy, she brought the train to a nice smooth stop, received the order, read it back, DS made it "Complete" and away we went. I was sitting near the conductor and he also copied it. 

Also had one on a Pacific Surfliner (#769). She was operating in the cab car and I requested to be allowed to come forward (rope across the aisle) and she said I needed to stay back by the stairs which I did. Cab door was open and at one stop, after cussing out the brakes ( I think she overshot the desired stopping point) she then jumped out of the cab, ran down the stairs, and assisted the station agent in some labor and came back up and away we went. Both handled their trains like the pro's they were. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Monday, May 08, 2017 10:06 PM

Females have been qualified Engineers for 30 years or more in my experience.

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Posted by edblysard on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 12:07 AM
My very first engineer on my very first paid trip marked up as the conductor was a statuesque and very stunning beautiful black lady named Elenore….she smelled like jasmine, looked like how you imagined Cleopatra would, all of which made keeping your mind on the job at hand difficult.
Moreover, she turned out to be one of the best engineers the PTRA had.
She could make ‘em walk and talk and stop on the spot every time.

 

One of the few people who we threw a party for when she retired, even the superintendent showed up. 
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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 7:03 AM

Back in the mid-1980's, I remember regularly seeing female engineers on the BN suburban trains.

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Posted by jeffhergert on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:08 AM

edblysard

Durn it...let me see how to fix it...

Try this

http://www.up.com/aboutup/community/inside_track/index.htm

 

 

This story linked to, is about the new display at the Union Pacific Musuem in Council Bluffs, IA.  The musuem is in the old Carnagie Library and worth a visit if you're in the area.

We currently have a couple of lady engineers and a couple of lady conductors.  We've had a few more on both sides of the cab, but they left through retirement or resignation, and sadly one ( who was in my engineer's class) through death.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 3:28 PM

I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber. 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:16 PM

Ulrich
I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers".

Indeed, there might be some that aren't exactly "ladies," much as some male engineers might not be "gentlemen."  Of course, in these gender-role-sensitive days, I must specify that I mean they are/aren't "polite, genial..."

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:21 PM

Ulrich
.. or male plumber.

Urologist?

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Posted by Norm48327 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:37 PM

Ulrich

I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber.

Ulrich,

Your post sounds like the typical liberal cop out. Sure, there are those who stand out because their choice of professions doesn't comply with convention. There are male nurses, and there are women who by their choice have entered professions typically dominated by men. The reverse is also true. Gender neutrality has no place in life. You take what you are born with and live with it.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:51 PM

My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman!  Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area!

She had more sense than I did, that's for certain!

To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:51 PM

Actually, the railroad has been pretty gender neutral for ages.  An engineer is an engineer, a conductor is a conductor, TM is a TM, yardmaster a yardmaster, etc...  Pay is the same no matter what dangly bits one has.  All that really matters is seniority. 

Even the bathrooms in the nose of the engine are gender-neutral.  Somehow, we all survive that giant liberal cop out.

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 4:56 PM

Wasn't aware what a typical liberal cop out sounds like, Norm...but ok. Haven't said anything about gender neutrality.. simply stated that the word "female" might be more suitable than "lady". As others have noted, the word "lady" confers certain attributes that may or may not be present in some women. Just as all men aren't gentlemen.. i.e. the gentlemen who blew up a building in Oklahoma a few years back. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:01 PM

Firelock76

My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman!  Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area!

She had more sense than I did, that's for certain!

To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.

 

 

My dentist is a women. 

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:04 PM

It wasn't all that many years ago that a male nurse or a female doctor were considered oddities (Dr Quinn notwithstanding).  Today, nobody even notices.

That those of us "of an age" still feel the need to specify the gender of members of some professions is simply a product of our upbringing.  It wasn't wrong, it simply was what it was.  Times have changed.

There's a woman who often has the controls for Amtrak on the Chicago line through Utica.  I don't know where she works from.  

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Posted by Firelock76 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 5:47 PM

Ulrich
 
Firelock76

My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman!  Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area!

She had more sense than I did, that's for certain!

To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.

 

 

 

 

My dentist is a women. 

 

So's mine, and all the dental techs in the practice as well.

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:06 PM

Finally, you only have to be a human to try to qualify for any job and it isn't based on your "accoutrements"....

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:29 PM

Mookie
Finally, you only have to be a human

Don't know if I'd go that far.

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Posted by samfp1943 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 6:52 PM

Norm48327

 

 
Ulrich

I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber.

 

Ulrich,

Your post sounds like the typical liberal cop out. Sure, there are those who stand out because their choice of professions doesn't comply with convention. There are male nurses, and there are women who by their choice have entered professions typically dominated by men. The reverse is also true. Gender neutrality has no place in life. You take what you are born with and live with it.

 

Guys;

       My guess on the 'Gender assignment' to the jobs mentioned "Male Nurse' and 'Female Engineer', or if preferred 'Female Conductor', is more for the convience of the topic being addressed here, and this narrative.

       The staff members at the local VA hospital generally refer only to the individual's job title being preformed. Gender is not a part of that description in discussions about jobs. ( My Nephrologist, is a female, and highly competent.)

    I would suspect that similar practices are in place on the railroads. Gender is not part of the discussion of job practices... Except, maybe when the in-nose 'necessary' is not fit to use; and the convenience of the walkway on the side of the engine comes into a discussion (?)  Whistling 

And Norm, as to your last statement.....You might want to reconsider that , in light of some of today'smedical realities....Bang Head

 

Sam

 

 


 

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 7:17 PM

Ulrich

 

 
Firelock76

My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman!  Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area!

She had more sense than I did, that's for certain!

To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.

 

 

 

 

My dentist is a women. 

 

Is she a lady dentist? Clown

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Posted by BLS53 on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 8:51 PM

I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned. 

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Posted by Mookie on Tuesday, May 09, 2017 10:25 PM

1 -because they run out of things to discuss after awhile;  2 - because no one has said anything out of line; 3 - tight jaws are not good for your health.  Might want to just lighten up a bit and enjoy....

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:29 AM

I'm not sure I understand the patronizing comment.Confused

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Posted by Ulrich on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 10:39 AM

Murphy Siding

I'm not sure I understand the patronizing comment.Confused

 

I don't either..I'm guessing he/she disagrees with some comments here.   

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Posted by selector on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 4:21 PM

BLS53

I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned. 

 

Sounds like the initiation of a dialog.  Perhaps you could start off by explaining your observation about patronizing.  It might help to situate the conversation, or to change the tone if you feel it worth your while.

I have no skin to lose here, but it seemed a little too drive-by for my liking without some of your own skin left behind.

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Posted by BaltACD on Wednesday, May 10, 2017 9:56 PM

selector
BLS53

I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned.

Sounds like the initiation of a dialog.  Perhaps you could start off by explaining your observation about patronizing.  It might help to situate the conversation, or to change the tone if you feel it worth your while.

I have no skin to lose here, but it seemed a little too drive-by for my liking without some of your own skin left behind.

Remember, it was only 50 years ago that it was considered women weren't man enough to run in the Boston Marathon - which was proven wrong when the lady faught off the Organizer that attacked and tried to remove her competition number.  She completed the race and did so again this year in honor of her accomplishment 50 years ago.

Women can do anything they have a mind and a resolve to do.

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