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Durn it...let me see how to fix it...
Try this
http://www.up.com/aboutup/community/inside_track/index.htm
edblysard…my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys!
That hurt, Ed.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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zugmann edblysard …my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys! That hurt, Ed.
edblysard …my experience with female engineers is they smell better than the guys!
Probably not as bad as if it had said they smell worse... and one of them found out about it!
Does anyone know how many lady engineers there are today. I know Amtrak has some. When I rode the Carl Sandburg (#381) to Quincy, it had a lady engineer and she was solo in the cab. When the Ft Worth Dispatcher radioed to issue an order for a meet between Galesburg & Quincy, she brought the train to a nice smooth stop, received the order, read it back, DS made it "Complete" and away we went. I was sitting near the conductor and he also copied it.
Also had one on a Pacific Surfliner (#769). She was operating in the cab car and I requested to be allowed to come forward (rope across the aisle) and she said I needed to stay back by the stairs which I did. Cab door was open and at one stop, after cussing out the brakes ( I think she overshot the desired stopping point) she then jumped out of the cab, ran down the stairs, and assisted the station agent in some labor and came back up and away we went. Both handled their trains like the pro's they were.
Females have been qualified Engineers for 30 years or more in my experience.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Back in the mid-1980's, I remember regularly seeing female engineers on the BN suburban trains.
edblysard Durn it...let me see how to fix it... Try this http://www.up.com/aboutup/community/inside_track/index.htm
This story linked to, is about the new display at the Union Pacific Musuem in Council Bluffs, IA. The musuem is in the old Carnagie Library and worth a visit if you're in the area.
We currently have a couple of lady engineers and a couple of lady conductors. We've had a few more on both sides of the cab, but they left through retirement or resignation, and sadly one ( who was in my engineer's class) through death.
Jeff
I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber.
UlrichI think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers".
Indeed, there might be some that aren't exactly "ladies," much as some male engineers might not be "gentlemen." Of course, in these gender-role-sensitive days, I must specify that I mean they are/aren't "polite, genial..."
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Ulrich.. or male plumber.
Urologist?
Ulrich I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber.
Ulrich,
Your post sounds like the typical liberal cop out. Sure, there are those who stand out because their choice of professions doesn't comply with convention. There are male nurses, and there are women who by their choice have entered professions typically dominated by men. The reverse is also true. Gender neutrality has no place in life. You take what you are born with and live with it.
Norm
My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman! Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area!
She had more sense than I did, that's for certain!
To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.
Actually, the railroad has been pretty gender neutral for ages. An engineer is an engineer, a conductor is a conductor, TM is a TM, yardmaster a yardmaster, etc... Pay is the same no matter what dangly bits one has. All that really matters is seniority.
Even the bathrooms in the nose of the engine are gender-neutral. Somehow, we all survive that giant liberal cop out.
Wasn't aware what a typical liberal cop out sounds like, Norm...but ok. Haven't said anything about gender neutrality.. simply stated that the word "female" might be more suitable than "lady". As others have noted, the word "lady" confers certain attributes that may or may not be present in some women. Just as all men aren't gentlemen.. i.e. the gentlemen who blew up a building in Oklahoma a few years back.
Firelock76 My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman! Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area! She had more sense than I did, that's for certain! To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally.
My dentist is a women.
It wasn't all that many years ago that a male nurse or a female doctor were considered oddities (Dr Quinn notwithstanding). Today, nobody even notices.
That those of us "of an age" still feel the need to specify the gender of members of some professions is simply a product of our upbringing. It wasn't wrong, it simply was what it was. Times have changed.
There's a woman who often has the controls for Amtrak on the Chicago line through Utica. I don't know where she works from.
Ulrich Firelock76 My brother bought me a helicopter ride for my 50th bithday, and lo and behold the pilot was a young woman! Very good at what she did and very professional too, no matter how hard I tried I just couldn't talk her into flying under the Manchester Bridge, the Lee Bridge, the ACL Bridge, or any other bridge in the Richmond area! She had more sense than I did, that's for certain! To keep this railroad-related I've seen some female engineers getting off Amtrak locomotives locally. My dentist is a women.
So's mine, and all the dental techs in the practice as well.
Finally, you only have to be a human to try to qualify for any job and it isn't based on your "accoutrements"....
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MookieFinally, you only have to be a human
Don't know if I'd go that far.
Norm48327 Ulrich I think "female engineers" might more correct and appropriate than "lady engineers". It's funny how some professions identify themselves so strongly with gender. You might hear "I'm a male nurse" and not think too much of it, but you'd likely raise an eyebrow if you told someone "I'm a male locomotive engineer".. or male plumber. Ulrich, Your post sounds like the typical liberal cop out. Sure, there are those who stand out because their choice of professions doesn't comply with convention. There are male nurses, and there are women who by their choice have entered professions typically dominated by men. The reverse is also true. Gender neutrality has no place in life. You take what you are born with and live with it.
My guess on the 'Gender assignment' to the jobs mentioned "Male Nurse' and 'Female Engineer', or if preferred 'Female Conductor', is more for the convience of the topic being addressed here, and this narrative.
The staff members at the local VA hospital generally refer only to the individual's job title being preformed. Gender is not a part of that description in discussions about jobs. ( My Nephrologist, is a female, and highly competent.)
I would suspect that similar practices are in place on the railroads. Gender is not part of the discussion of job practices... Except, maybe when the in-nose 'necessary' is not fit to use; and the convenience of the walkway on the side of the engine comes into a discussion (?)
And Norm, as to your last statement.....You might want to reconsider that , in light of some of today'smedical realities....
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I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned.
1 -because they run out of things to discuss after awhile; 2 - because no one has said anything out of line; 3 - tight jaws are not good for your health. Might want to just lighten up a bit and enjoy....
I'm not sure I understand the patronizing comment.
Murphy Siding I'm not sure I understand the patronizing comment.
I don't either..I'm guessing he/she disagrees with some comments here.
BLS53 I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned.
Sounds like the initiation of a dialog. Perhaps you could start off by explaining your observation about patronizing. It might help to situate the conversation, or to change the tone if you feel it worth your while.
I have no skin to lose here, but it seemed a little too drive-by for my liking without some of your own skin left behind.
selector BLS53 I don't know why this is a story at this point in time, nor the patronizing anecdotal responses it has spawned. Sounds like the initiation of a dialog. Perhaps you could start off by explaining your observation about patronizing. It might help to situate the conversation, or to change the tone if you feel it worth your while. I have no skin to lose here, but it seemed a little too drive-by for my liking without some of your own skin left behind.
Remember, it was only 50 years ago that it was considered women weren't man enough to run in the Boston Marathon - which was proven wrong when the lady faught off the Organizer that attacked and tried to remove her competition number. She completed the race and did so again this year in honor of her accomplishment 50 years ago.
Women can do anything they have a mind and a resolve to do.
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