zugmann ACY Pennsylvania can't have AC&T. Their truck stop has the best fried chickenChef. Besides, Pennsylvania already has Sheetz. You can have Sheetz. They've been on a downhill slide the last few years.
ACY Pennsylvania can't have AC&T. Their truck stop has the best fried chickenChef. Besides, Pennsylvania already has Sheetz.
You can have Sheetz. They've been on a downhill slide the last few years.
Nope. I think we'll just keep AC&T and let you'uns keep Sheetz.
But you're allowed to visit. Bring Pennsylvania money.
Tom
Here is another link to a site where a guy has assembled a fairly large collection of information. Unfortunately it's not easy to find most of it. You gotta keep using that "menu" list box on the left hand side, and drill down deep in some instances to find the good stuff. Organization is clearly not his strong suit, but some of the info rocks.
ACYPennsylvania can't have AC&T. Their truck stop has the best fried chickenChef. Besides, Pennsylvania already has Sheetz.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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zugmann Don't want to fight over it, but I think we'll keep AC&T and let Pennsylvania keep Sheets. Thank you'uns very much. Tom BaltACD News to my daughter that lives in Hagerstown, MD suspect it is also news to ACY! We just wanted the AC&T.
Don't want to fight over it, but I think we'll keep AC&T and let Pennsylvania keep Sheets. Thank you'uns very much.
BaltACD News to my daughter that lives in Hagerstown, MD suspect it is also news to ACY!
We just wanted the AC&T.
Pennsylvania can't have AC&T. Their truck stop has the best fried chicken. Besides, Pennsylvania already has Sheetz.
As for me, I'm usually lost anyways, so what's the difference as long as I have an alternative to 7-11 and High's?
Convicted One thanks for sharing that link !
The story of the Whys and Wherefores of the Alphabet Route; truly, leads one to conjecture and wonder. What if Jay Gould had been able to carry forth his idea of putting together another Transcontinental. A really true route from West to East. Makes one wonder where railroading on this continent would be in the 21st Century. It tells the story that it could have been; particularly, with the St.Louis/Chicago routings to New England lasting from 1931 til 1970's.
Took me a while to find it, but here is a link to an article about the alphabet i found of interest
BaltACDNews to my daughter that lives in Hagerstown, MD suspect it is also news to ACY!
Paul_D_North_JrMiddleman of the Alphabet Route Pittsburgh & West Virginia by Welty, Gus from Trains November 1956 p. 14
Best of the bunch IMO. I keep a full copy on my thumb drive.
Connellsville is a very interesting study, railroad wise. Looking at a google sat-view it's amazing to see what all once was there.
The Alphabet Route accomplished what George Gould could only dream of.
I believe there are other references, likely within articles on the individual railroads, and/or comments on how Penn Central could have been beaten by the Alphabet route, etc.
- PDN.
MP173Wasnt the move from Maryland to Pa part of the NW/NKP merger? Hagerstown was given to PA as part of that merger... Ed
Hagerstown was given to PA as part of that merger...
Ed
News to my daughter that lives in Hagerstown, MD suspect it is also news to ACY!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Wasnt the move from Maryland to Pa part of the NW/NKP merger?
MP173I have collected old freight schedule books of railroads and possess two Reading books. Here is what the Oct 1, 1970 schedule states: Train AJ-1 Philadelphia - Detroit- Chicago - St. Louis, except Sunday. Lv Port Richmond 645 pm Lv Hagerstown, pa 445am Ar Bellevue, Oh 615am Ar. Chicago 200am (second day) Ar St. Louis 730am(second day) Classified: Detroit (all), Chicago (freight), St. Louis (all), Hagerstown (N&W South) Connections with NW BC-1 Lv Bellevue 1000pm (for Chicago) NW BS -1 Lv Bellevue 930pm (for St. Louis) As you can see, the train had major classification at the big NW (NKP) yard in Bellevue and cars took about 15 hours to work thru the yard. When the BC-1 left at Bellevue at 10pm it didnt dwaddle and was in Chicago BRC five hours later. That is moving on the NKP! I will check EB schedules later...work is piling up fast and furious. ed
Here is what the Oct 1, 1970 schedule states:
Train AJ-1 Philadelphia - Detroit- Chicago - St. Louis, except Sunday.
Lv Port Richmond 645 pm
Lv Hagerstown, pa 445am
Ar Bellevue, Oh 615am
Ar. Chicago 200am (second day)
Ar St. Louis 730am(second day)
Classified:
Detroit (all), Chicago (freight), St. Louis (all), Hagerstown (N&W South)
Connections with NW BC-1 Lv Bellevue 1000pm (for Chicago)
NW BS -1 Lv Bellevue 930pm (for St. Louis)
As you can see, the train had major classification at the big NW (NKP) yard in Bellevue and cars took about 15 hours to work thru the yard. When the BC-1 left at Bellevue at 10pm it didnt dwaddle and was in Chicago BRC five hours later. That is moving on the NKP!
I will check EB schedules later...work is piling up fast and furious.
ed
When did they move Hagerstown to Pennsylvania?
So sad to see that some parts of this route dont even exist. The NH as a thru route thru southern New England is now a narrow path thru the woods. Hard to imagine high speed trains on this route. The WM is now a winding bike path from Cumberland to Connelsville PA with some instreting grades.
I have collected old freight schedule books of railroads and possess two Reading books.
Was looking at some back issues of TRAINS that had slid out onto the floor from their hiding place.Specifically, the issue of September 2003. Tony Koester's articler on the NKP.
I had remembered reading about the old "Alphabet Route", but not in some time. So I went surfing. Found a Wiki article ( Note:usual disclaimers). And a map:
It was a Freight route origins out of Chicago and St.Louis and carried to various points (as shown on Map). Basicly, the 'service' was conceived in 1931 (Feb.11), and lasted unitl 1980's when CSX took over the WM and incorporated it into their system. THe Alphabet Route Alpha-Jet trains were designed to compete with the PRR's TOFC Trains.
See linked @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alphabet_Route
FTL: "... In the 1960s and early 1970s, the Alphabet Route partners promoted Alpha Jet service as an alternative to the TOFC service offered by the Pennsylvania Railroad (and then the Penn Central, after the Pennsylvania-New York Central merger in 1968) between Philadelphia and Chicago. The Pennsylvania offered 23-hour service between these points with its Truc Train runs, while the Alphabet Route partners offered 34-hour service (depending upon a prompt connection at Bellevue to the BC-1 priority freight to Chicago). Although this did not seem competitive, much of the 11-hour difference was due to departures and arrivals around midnight for the Pennsylvania service, whereas many shippers did not send and receive shipments during the night and thus could accept a mid-evening departure and a mid-morning arrival, as the Alpha Jet service could provide. Alpha Jet service was de-emphasized in the late 1970s and eventually ended by the early 1980s as the WM was fully integrated into the Chessie System (B&O and C&O), later to become CSX, which was and remains a major competitor of the N&W, later Norfolk Southern..."
It is an interesting story how this consolidated freight service lasted as long as it did.
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