schlimm rrnut282 schlimm Only on here would anyone get so worked up about trivialities. I'm sorry, (not really) we're all not you. What praytell, should people on a railroad themed web-site do when an obvious error is discovered? If it were purporting to be a picture of a US or Canadian or Mexican train, maybe. But one, I doubt if you give a hoot about Iran Rail and two, the magazine printing the picture is not seeking a railfan audience. It is just another excuse to attack the media and obsess about trivialities. In the latter regard, some of you are worse than Euclid; hence the sobriquet, "foamers" came into use.
rrnut282 schlimm Only on here would anyone get so worked up about trivialities. I'm sorry, (not really) we're all not you. What praytell, should people on a railroad themed web-site do when an obvious error is discovered?
schlimm Only on here would anyone get so worked up about trivialities.
Only on here would anyone get so worked up about trivialities.
I'm sorry, (not really) we're all not you. What praytell, should people on a railroad themed web-site do when an obvious error is discovered?
If it were purporting to be a picture of a US or Canadian or Mexican train, maybe. But one, I doubt if you give a hoot about Iran Rail and two, the magazine printing the picture is not seeking a railfan audience. It is just another excuse to attack the media and obsess about trivialities. In the latter regard, some of you are worse than Euclid; hence the sobriquet, "foamers" came into use.
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BaltACDJust watched a old episode of CHIPS from 1983...
If you binge watch episodes of series like "CHIPs", "Adam 12", or "Emergency", you'll start to pick up on the "stock shots." Having done so with Emergency, I've seen Squad 51 pass the same VW, on the same street, a number of times.
It might not register if you're watching one episode a week, but it certainly does when you see it several times in a row.
Trivia, for "Emergency" fans: Roy DeSoto always drove, because when they filmed the stock shots, he was always driving... Again, something you might not pick up on a weekly basis...
And Dixie McCall and Dr. Early were married in real life. Julie London was known as a singer, and Bobby Troup actually wrote the song "Route 66." There's your earworm for the day...
At least one episode of "Emergency" involved trains, as well. "Chet" was known to operate heavy machinery at times, but I don't recall if he got into a locomotive.
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Just watched a old episode of CHIPS from 1983 - story involved a motocross race at Long Beach. Needless to say the close action shots of the 'stars' were obviously done in the studio. The 'medium' action shots were done in a city enviornment (maybe Long Beach, maybe not). The genuine action shots were from Daytona International Speedway with most of the shots being of competitors going through the Bus Stop Chicane on the back straight at Daytona (the course configuration that is used for motorcycles and cars in the Rolex 24 Hours).
Undoubtedly the logic being that the audience isn't smart enough or worldly enough to notice and care about differences.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Bruce,
I took your original posting as having a light-hearted tone, brought a smile to my face when seeing the picture.
I'm under the impression that many in the publishing world aren't being as careful with fact checking as was the case in the past. An example in science oriented magazines is the location of Palomar Observatory, with the correct answer being Palomar Mountain, not Mt. Palomar. In years past, Scientific American got it right, but they've been lapsing the last couple of decades. Science News consistently got it right until a few years ago. Getting it wrong is not the end of the world, but does indicate that the publication has lost interest in getting the facts right.
OTOH, the railfan community is loaded wih pedants, and woe to any publisher who gets the wrong number of rivets one some long gone steam locomotive tender.
- Erik
By this point, I'm sure most folks recognize that my reason for sharing the poorly-chosen photo was to give a much-needed chuckle, something that's often in short supply at this forum. The fact that the publication opted to correct the picture proves it wasn't so trivial a matter after all, at least not to them.
When you've worked in and around the magazine/publishing/printing business as long as I have (35 years and counting), it can almost keep you up at night knowing how many things can go wrong in the process of getting a story and/or photos out there for people to see...accurately...correctly. Much more so when the presentation is in print, where there's no going back once you've mailed and distributed to store shelves tens of thousands of magazines that botch the identification and placement of critical elements on a map...or flub the names or dates of subjects central to the topic...or simply contain sentences where an editor or two (or more) opted to alter or remove a couple of words, and in the process induced un-noticed errors to what was otherwise a flawless and factually-correct piece of writing.
In the case of the Iranian publicaton, it probably boiled down to an editor or art director, or possibly an author located out-of-house, being asked to dig up a photo, any photo, to illustrate a story on that country's rail commerce. We all know how the general public and the general media don't quite grasp the varied minutiae of railroading. A train is a train, to most people. Rail magazines themselves occasionally run the wrong caption with the right photo, or vice versa, and frequently demonstrate a lack of understanding for the operations, geography, or history of railroads in a part of the country or continent that is distant from their home offices. Just the nature of the beast.
It didn't surprise me that the photo they chose to swap in came from Jean-Marc Frybourg. I've long admired his exquisite images from far-flung places. Last year, while on-screen proofing the page files for an Iranian-American magazine we print, I took the time to email our CSR who handles that account and share with her a link to some of the pictures that Frybourg and others had taken in Iran. She forwarded it to our customer, and he responded with words of great joy and thanks for our taking notice of his home country, and to the railfan community for proving that, despite the social and political differences, some of us can appreciate the scenic beauty and railroad ops of a country that we tend to hear nothing good about.
https://archive.org/stream/persiapastpresen00jackrich#page/n709/mode/2up/search/
M636CWhat is really interesting is that an official Iranian publication found the Trains.com thread,
I'm pretty sure many such sites have "bots" running that look for their name, so they can see what kind of coverage they are getting.
I don't know how many times I've gone looking for information on one thread or another and ended up with the thread itself being one of the results...
schlimm If it were purporting to be a picture of a US or Canadian or Mexican train, maybe. But one, I doubt if you give a hoot about Iran Rail and two, the magazine printing the picture is not seeking a railfan audience. It is just another excuse to attack the media and obsess about trivialities. In the latter regard, some of you are worse than Euclid; hence the sobriquet, "foamers" came into use.
Surely the point is that the thread was successful in getting the photo changed.
What is really interesting is that an official Iranian publication found the Trains.com thread, read it, looked up a linked site with appropriate photos and used one. I assume that they must have googled their site name, found the thread and read it.
They even posted thanks after making the correction....
So the "mainstream media" is now correct thanks to THIS thread.
What's not to like?
Peter
C&NW, CA&E, MILW, CGW and IC fan
Fintribune We changed the picture Really sorry thanks :)
We changed the picture
Really sorry
thanks :)
I'm impressed...
Not only did the new picture correct the "error" but to quote from an earlier post:
Makes one want to rush over to trackside in Iran! NOT!
I'd like to add a few photos from that location myself:
The Beyer Garratt catalog showed a similar arch viaduct (in a pre WWII photo), so they may be a feature of Iran's railways.
Desite concern about "trivialities", this thread managed to improve another website, and added an excellent photo to published photos of Iran's railways.
The new picture does raise a question - is that tank car behind the locomotive cargo, or a fuel tender?
Fintribune We changed the picture Really sorry thanks :) Thanks, to You! In this day and time many attempt to 'trivialize' realities, and admittedly, this pictuer might be in that arena, BUT, CHANGING IT Amounts to a small step in the direction, back towards real credibility. Thanks, for paying attention!
Thanks, to You!
In this day and time many attempt to 'trivialize' realities, and admittedly, this pictuer might be in that arena, BUT, CHANGING IT Amounts to a small step in the direction, back towards real credibility.
Thanks, for paying attention!
Thank You - the nit that was being picked was using a 'store bought' picture of North American railroading to illustrate an article on Iranian railroading. The picture you now have with the article is more accurate.
Railfans will nit pick anything that is 'not right' - Movies, TV, Print - it doesn't matter. Railroads are period and geographical in their operation. Identify the wrong railroad in the wrong geographical setting in a story and the nit gets picked. Set a story in the 1890's and have a scene with a diesel operating and the nit gets picked. If the 'author' doesn't know and doesn't care; the railfans viewing his product do know and do care and then comment about it.
schlimm...nitpicking stuff into meaninglessness...
Yes, he does...
Deggesty tree68 schlimm Pointing out the rather odd joy some on here obtain in obsessively pointing out the trivial errors of others. It's only trivial if you have no interest in it... I wonder why someone who thinks a matter is trivial complains when other people express an interest in it. Why does such a person simply not ignore the matter?
tree68 schlimm Pointing out the rather odd joy some on here obtain in obsessively pointing out the trivial errors of others. It's only trivial if you have no interest in it...
schlimm Pointing out the rather odd joy some on here obtain in obsessively pointing out the trivial errors of others.
It's only trivial if you have no interest in it...
I wonder why someone who thinks a matter is trivial complains when other people express an interest in it. Why does such a person simply not ignore the matter?
No wonder this forum attracts OCD folks like Euclid, who all of you argue with in the almost same obsessive way as he does, nitpicking stuff into meaninglessness.
Deggesty tree68 schlimm It's only trivial if you have no interest in it... I wonder why someone who thinks a matter is trivial complains when other people express an interest in it. Why does such a person simply not ignore the matter?
tree68 schlimm It's only trivial if you have no interest in it...
schlimm
To some - nothing is too trivial to ignore -IF they rudimentary knowledge about the subject.
Johnny
schlimmPointing out the rather odd joy some on here obtain in obsessively pointing out the trivial errors of others.
Deggesty schlimm Only on here would anyone get so worked up about trivialities. Is this a defense of ignorance?
Is this a defense of ignorance?
No. Pointing out the rather odd joy some on here obtain in obsessively pointing out the trivial errors of others. It's why the general public largely thinks railfans are strange people.
NorthWest The other modern diesel Iran has recently purchased is an Alstom Prima model, most of which were license built in Iran. They have tendered a repowering as the Ruston prime movers are apparently not succesful. A good summary: http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/iran/iran_rai.html
The other modern diesel Iran has recently purchased is an Alstom Prima model, most of which were license built in Iran. They have tendered a repowering as the Ruston prime movers are apparently not succesful.
A good summary: http://www.railfaneurope.net/list/iran/iran_rai.html
The edited photo appeared here on 3/11/2015
http://www.gtreview.com/news/asia/beef-dairy-and-fish-trade-set-for-obor-boost/
and here ..
http://theurbanhistorian.tumblr.com/post/78104046102/an-alternative-to-freight-trucks-freight-trains
Looks like it was from Getty Images.
http://www.gettyimages.com/detail/photo/red-locomotive-and-double-stack-freight-train-royalty-free-image/185115246
I keep hoping someone will find the original "unedited" photo!
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
RAI operates a bunch of interesting units. The ER24PCs are direct derivatives of the Siemens EuroRunner series ER20s, and have visible similarities with broad guage units ER20CFs built for Lithuania. I think more ER24PCs are being built for RAI.
Interestingly, RAI seems to have recieved US-built GT26CWs and GT26CW-2s through 1984, though at least some of the latter were built in South Korea by Hyundai. They recieved a few of the Electroputure Alco-251 powered license units that weren't too succesful in Europe, and a bunch of Canadian-built GE export power. If the political climate were different, I'd love to visit.
After five minutes with google I found....
http://www.railcolor.net/index.php?nav=1000006&file=siem_21378_51&action=image
This is a Siemens unit from 2010 and looks a lot like an SC44 Charger (not surprisingly). It is indicated as an ER24PC, so is around 3200HP with presumably an MTU engine.
But it would be wrong to think of Iran as only operating old EMD export units from the era of the Shah.
Honestly, I'm surprised it's not a photo of a steam engine with a cow catcher on front and a ballon stack.
Yeah, but it's fun....
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