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Posted by wanswheel on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 1:33 PM

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Interesting article from the WSJ

IEEFA copied the full article except the last paragraph.

http://ieefa.org/trumps-nearly-impossible-promise-revive-coal/

Last paragraph

A rare bright spot for coal miners: Natural gas prices are expected to rise modestly in 2017. If that happens, some coal plants may become more profitable and boost demand for coal deliveries.

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Posted by kgbw49 on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 12:15 PM

If not regulated out of existence, there will always be some coal because of unique situations, such as limited access to natural gas infrastructure, and baseload optionality needs. But it will trend down to be a smaller percent of future US Generation. 10%-15% of generation, with natural gas becoming the 50% share that coal used to be, and nuclear, wind and solar making up the rest.

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Posted by Norm48327 on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:56 AM

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Interesting article from the WSJ about deregulated coal vs. natural gas from the utilities point of view:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cheap-gas-tests-trumps-promise-to-revive-coal-1479080359

 

 

 

 

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Posted by carnej1 on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 11:33 AM

Interesting article from the WSJ about deregulated coal vs. natural gas from the utilities point of view:

http://www.wsj.com/articles/cheap-gas-tests-trumps-promise-to-revive-coal-1479080359

 

 

 

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Posted by MikeF90 on Saturday, November 12, 2016 7:04 PM

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Shhhh...you're ruining the narrative! There will be coal. And coal miners! And jobs! It's going to be awesome!

Good combo of products - coal and marijuana.

I've been to the PRB, and I saw very few workers using huge machinery to extract and move the large volumes of coal out. Only a return to pre-natural gas consumption would bring back jobs, and then just a pittance IMO.

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Posted by CMStPnP on Saturday, November 12, 2016 3:19 PM
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Posted by Firelock76 on Saturday, November 12, 2016 10:05 AM

Hey, I just remembered something about Sarah Palin.

Back when she was governor (governoress?) of Alaska a good friend of mine met her on a Ducks Unlimited sponsored fishing trip.  It was a "meet-and-greet" with the group that was small enough so she could spend some time with them.

Mrs. Palin handed out Alaska Railroad pins to the group, of all things.  Not to be outdone, when he got home one of the first things my buddy did was send her a Jersey Central pin!  He got a nice "thank you" note back from her too.

By the way, he said the fishing was fantastic!

Think maybe Sarah's a closet railfan?

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Posted by Deggesty on Friday, November 11, 2016 1:34 PM

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But marijuana  doesn’t move in unit trains……yet. Whistling

 

Well, it might, but not as manifested cargo...

 

Was it tacked on marijuana shipments that were to be tracked by those illegal readers?

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Posted by tree68 on Friday, November 11, 2016 12:08 PM

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But marijuana  doesn’t move in unit trains……yet. Whistling

Well, it might, but not as manifested cargo...

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Posted by Firelock76 on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:50 AM

Murphy Siding

 

But marijuana  doesn’t move in unit trains……yet. Whistling

 

 

"Ridin' that train, high on....." Whoops, never mind!

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Posted by Murphy Siding on Friday, November 11, 2016 8:25 AM

 

But marijuana  doesn’t move in unit trains……yet. Whistling

 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, November 11, 2016 7:34 AM

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I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

 

Those are certainly factors, but it's possible to regulate something out of existance by enabling it's competitors and/or imposing stringent regulations on it.

 

 

 

 

And remember what the late Mr. Jim McClellan said: "Coal is the new cigarettes, it makes the government feel good by stamping it out."

 

Smoking and coal are BAD... but pot is good and will be the next cash cow governments are going to milk. 

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Posted by Ulrich on Friday, November 11, 2016 7:30 AM

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I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

Whoever the Republican Administration appoint to energy roles, all they can change is aspects of regulation. The choice of fuel is made by the energy supplier or user, and will be based on price and availability.

M636C

 

 

 

Shhhh...you're ruining the narrative!  There will be coal.  And coal miners!  And jobs!  It's going to be awesome!

 

Laugh 

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Posted by M636C on Thursday, November 10, 2016 9:18 PM

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I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

 

Those are certainly factors, but it's possible to regulate something out of existance by enabling it's competitors and/or imposing stringent regulations on it.

 

 

 

 

And remember what the late Mr. Jim McClellan said: "Coal is the new cigarettes, it makes the government feel good by stamping it out." 

But nobody is suggesting that cigarettes are a good thing, even if there might be an upturn in the US tobacco industry were there to be government promotion of smoking as a pastime.

There are documented problems from the burning of coal in urban areas, regardless of any involvement in global warming, whether or not it is occurring.

I would be surprised if many power stations wanted to change back to coal having recently paid to convert to natural gas, for example.

While this isn't quite the thread to start a discussion, the most obvious regulation that could affect the railroads directly would be deferring to the future Tier 4 emission requirements for railroad locomotives.

This would allow EMD to restart production of locomotives with the 710G engine, for example. GE could build the ES series, which have been very popular.

While this alone won't result in more locomotive orders, such a change combined with an improving economy might result in more work for US loco manufacturers.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:48 PM

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M636C
I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

 

Those are certainly factors, but it's possible to regulate something out of existance by enabling it's competitors and/or imposing stringent regulations on it.

 

 

And remember what the late Mr. Jim McClellan said: "Coal is the new cigarettes, it makes the government feel good by stamping it out."

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Posted by tree68 on Thursday, November 10, 2016 8:23 PM

M636C
I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

Those are certainly factors, but it's possible to regulate something out of existance by enabling it's competitors and/or imposing stringent regulations on it.

 

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Posted by zugmann on Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:23 PM

M636C

I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

Whoever the Republican Administration appoint to energy roles, all they can change is aspects of regulation. The choice of fuel is made by the energy supplier or user, and will be based on price and availability.

M636C

 

Shhhh...you're ruining the narrative!  There will be coal.  And coal miners!  And jobs!  It's going to be awesome!

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Euclid on Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:14 PM

I would think that price would be affected by regulation.

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Posted by M636C on Thursday, November 10, 2016 7:02 PM

I may have missed something, but I thought demand for coal was falling since the price of oil and natural gas had fallen, and these fuels were easier to handle as well as being regarded as "cleaner".

Whoever the Republican Administration appoint to energy roles, all they can change is aspects of regulation. The choice of fuel is made by the energy supplier or user, and will be based on price and availability.

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Posted by Firelock76 on Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:39 PM

That's assuming Mrs. Palin really wants to leave Alaska for the DC swamp.  She might, but somehow I doubt it.

What do I think about Sarah Palin?  Assuming anyone cares what I think I like Sarah, she's a lot of fun and I think her hubby's a lucky man to have her, but as far as I'm concerned she's a cheerleader, and not a leader.  A leader doesn't walk away from an elected post when things get a little hot. 

Mrs. Palin, you've got to show me something before I picture you in a high government slot.  You just haven't done it yet.

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Posted by Ulrich on Thursday, November 10, 2016 6:12 PM

Guess we'll see..

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Coals savior could be Sarah Palin
Posted by GERALD L MCFARLANE JR on Thursday, November 10, 2016 4:01 PM

Yes, coal could be back on the front burner, along with oil and gas...why do I say this?  President-elect Trump as already said he wants Palin on his Cabinet, as either Interior Secretary or in charge of the DoE(Energy), though not the EPA(that might go to an oil executive).

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