Thank You.
The CPR held onto their FM (CLC) power longer and in greater numbers than anywhere else in North America....some even making it to the multimark paint, Trainmasters and Baby Trainmasters. Everyone else had long since scrapped them.
At the end the C Liners didn't own the CPR a dime.
Very nice picture, clean locomotive, block lettering , no oil streaks down the sides. Classic.
B&O was still using FM's in yard service in Baltimore in the early 1970's. Toward the middle 70's they went to scrap as excess EMD yard power from outlying locations replaced the FM's in Baltimore.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Did any C-Liners ever get repainted into the Action Red with Multimark scheme?
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-an Articulate Malcontent
Smoking it up:
http://www.railpictures.ca/?attachment_id=35895
Nope, none of the C Liners were painted into the Multimark. Block and Script in the maroon and grey was as far as they got. Baby Trainmasters got the Multimark as did a number of a older Alcos and switchers.
Miningman Nope, none of the C Liners were painted into the Multimark. Block and Script in the maroon and grey was as far as they got. The Trainmasters and Baby Trainmasters got the Multimark as did a number of older Alcos and switchers.
Nope, none of the C Liners were painted into the Multimark. Block and Script in the maroon and grey was as far as they got. The Trainmasters and Baby Trainmasters got the Multimark as did a number of older Alcos and switchers.
Hate to correct you once again, but none of the Trainmasters got the multimark. In fact none even got the script version of the tuscan and grey either. The only change in paint was when they were converted from long hood front to short hood front ca1960. The only other group of CPR engines to avoid the multimark (and also script) were the small fleet of 44-tonners built by CLC. While on the subject, the pair of E-8s and the lone RSD-17 (CP8921) wore both block and multimark schemes, but never bore script.
And baby trainmasters were the H-16-66 model, with the smaller 1600hp engine but 6-wheel trucks like the true Trainmaster (H-24-66). None were built for service in Canada, although one was bought privately after retirement and imported here. It was painted into CPR colours as if it was a demonstrator. Now located in Nelson, BC, along with the C-Liner CP 4104.
CPR (and CNR) had the H-16-44 model. That ran on 4-wheel trucks so was not a baby trainmaster. Unfortunately the misnomer continues to be a persistent misconception.
Merry Christmas all.
John Sutherland
The CP E8's were delivered in a different version of the maroon/silver scheme:
http://www.railpictures.net/photo/298283/
http://www.railpictures.net/photo/298273/
Apart from their lone Train Master the only 6-axle CN CLC/FM units were the unique H-12-46's, with A1A trucks.
Merry Christmas!
Thanks John, of course you are correct. Must have had a brain cramp.. no the Trainmasters never made it to the Multimark. But the H16-44 did.
Corrected the post so the error does not live on for eternity.
CLC H-16-44
Fairbanks-Morse H16-44 1600 hp 75 mph road switchers built by CLC. 8547-8556 (10) equipped with Westinghouse traction motors.8601-8610 (10) 8709-8728 (20) equipped with GE traction motors.
Builder's plate for sister unit 8709. Jim Burd Collection
8605 in Tuscan red and grey sits between 8724 and 8726 also H16-44 units in new Action Redwith CP Rail Multimark. Shop track Nelson, BC June 1973 Robert Jordan
Extra 8609 (4105) backing down onto train in Cranbrook. CLC 2950 12/1956 August 2, 1971 Keith Hansen
8716 Quebec Street yard London 7/29/1972 Al Howlett
Never seen green/black/gold FP9's in A-B-B-A formation before, thanks!
B/O cab heaters still make units trail-only, although with many units having both blower and sidewall strip heaters if one system fails the other will usually keep you warm enough.
That CPR E8 wasn't in as minor of an incident as I was led to believe (I've read an obviously erroneous quote of $500 in damages in the past). But it's nice to finally see a picture of what did her in.
It shows what CPR's stance on the passenger business at the time was, though. Very repairable looking and relatively minor, judging by the lack of any obvious deformation behind the cab where it normally would've failed in a heavy impact, absorbing energy to help protect the crew.
But when you want out of the business and can spare the loss of a dedicated passenger locomotive that you hope you soon won't need, it was a career ending incident. Her sisters I believe both survived to wear Via colors, showing that there was still a lot of life in these 20 year old diesels when this incident happened.
When in DC Locomotive Service, the Diesels would cycle up and down in response to the Load Regulator, noise and smoke accompanying.
More.
Reminds me of my old Yamaha motorcycle on the 403, full bore, heading to work at Slater Steel in Hamilton as a student over summer.
Second observation-- ... and this is better than steam exactly how??
Water vapour into the air and cinders falling to the ground not so bad.
Third visit to OR coming up.
For all practical purposes, I have no real connection to steam locomotives and don't really miss them (NKP Berkshires were the only ones left and I was 5 years old at the time). Nevertheless, railroading is still fascinating with either diesels or electrics, and I've continued to return to trackside to watch the show even as it has changed over the years.
Yes advances in the Mine plentiful... much safer, way better ground control, better safety measures and equipment, much more mechanization... Mill and Smelter workers behind control panel like a dispatcher, monitors, push screens, auto sampling. Coal and potash is like cutting cheese now. No drill, load and blast. Cheese cutters! Conveyor belts for coal but can't use conveyor belts in hard rock underground.
Still some poor boy haywire Mines out there. Some Miners like that.
Yes you could hear the Ontario Northland coming for miles and miles, twisting, turning, squel, sounded like it was very close but not, then finally a headlight. Effect enhanced at night. Sometimes it took so long in anticipation that you thought perhaps it was a line somewhere else.
I could go from Burlington to work in Hamilton on the Yamaha on Hwy 403 because of the short distance, but not from the Mining School on Lake Temiskaming back to Burlington for the summer and reverse in the fall. So I shipped it ONR, inexpensive rate like $17 or something, but shipping it back CN $180.00. Get into a shouting match with the station agent in Burlington each year. Same route, same destinations. Always got there though. Didn't have to do anything, just drive it to the station and they handled it from there. Sure can't do that anymore.
I'm certain the Cab of a C Liner OP on mountain grades was a great experience. Unforgettable.
The video of the stationary OP's side by each makes me think steam was not that bad and it makes you wonder. Steam had a good run, 100 years and captured the publics imagination and fondness.
Nowadays it's just a conveyor belt, out of the public eye, except some rural and commuter. Town depot is either tore down or a chip stand.
The Yamaha is still around though. Motor seized but in the garage collecting dust. Yeah we all had hard flat bellies and looked like squeaky clean movie stars. Heck, the gals chased us!
Oh well we had our time. Older but wiser (?) I suppose.
Done a fair amount of chasing trains through the bush myself, though not on dirt bikes. My rides of choice (for better or worse) have been a succession of well-worn decidedly on-road vehicular contraptions that I have managed to get into numerous sketchy locations we had no business going to. Only gotten stuck a few times and have always gotten myself out, never needed a tow.
The best trails I've been down are sections of the former Canadian Northern grade near Hinton, AB, abandoned for over 90 years now. They are also close enough to the current CN line that one can watch trains while bushwhacking.
I think I look like a movie star, but for some reason no one agrees!
SD70DudeI think I look like a movie star, but for some reason no one agrees!
You evidently associate with the wrong people.
If Bette Davis in her second career, Robert Englund, and Kermit the Frog are all movie stars ... and they are ... what could possibly be grounds for dissent in your case?
Overmod SD70Dude I think I look like a movie star, but for some reason no one agrees! You evidently associate with the wrong people.
SD70Dude I think I look like a movie star, but for some reason no one agrees!
I like the way you think!
But unfortunately most people see Davis in her prime (or co-stars like Errol Flynn) when they imagine a star, and Muppets don't exactly make that list.
I do a pretty good Statler or Waldorf impression (even though I am not nearly old enough), usually while sitting in a siding for no good reason...
I finally managed to confirm that 2 FM/CLC C-liner B-units are still with us (albeit converted to robot cars), along with CP H-16-44 8554.
Apparently they are owned by a group called the Locomotive & Railway Historical Society of Western Canada (who I had never heard of before), and are stored at the possibly defunct Mazeppa Processing Partnership gas plant, located approximately 5 miles northeast of High River, AB.
Exact location is here: 50.647394, -113.772536
With some info from the Canadian Trackside Guide (which unfortunately does not give their correct location), from north to south it appears we have 8554, BCOL RCC3/CP 4455, BCOL RCC4/CP 4456, a unknown gondola/flat, CP lightweight baggage cars 404935 and 404947, with CP automobile boxcar 404097 (nee 295524) between them, CP RS-23 8017, and a unknown caboose.
This detective work was far harder than it should have been.
Presumably the 2 B-units/robot cars still look like this:
http://www.canadianrailwayobservations.com/2011/Feb11/feb11%20web/robot1cvs.jpg
http://www.mountainrailway.com/Roster%20Archive/Robots/BCR%20RCC4-2.jpg
Thanks for your hard work Dude. Simetimes the frustration of the Internet goes beyond the beyond and all you end up with is a sore arse.
So 2A's and 2B's all accounted for. Maybe a third A to step forward one day.
I just got in. Another peer off to the Old Folks Home in the New Year. Cancer and Dementia.
Pouring rain in Dec.
Sorry.
That photo was the last piece of the puzzle I needed to find the exact location of those units, but I didn't want to post anything here until I had confirmation. Thanks again for the help!
I knew the B-units/robots had been at De Winton for years and had likely not moved far, and photos of 8554 leaving Calgary a few years ago indicated that it headed south too, but I had missed looking at Mazeppa until today.
I met Chris when he was out at the Alberta Railway Museum in 2017 to cover 1392's move to Stettler. Very nice, knowledgeable, down-to-earth fellow. Would love to have him out more often, and recruit him to volunteer if he has any free time left over from blogging.
Weather is terrible here too, icy roads, several fatal crashes and a 20+ car pileup on Highway 16 near Edmonton today.
Life happens, and is nothing to be sorry for. Always hoping everyone's health improves, but sometimes there is nothing that can be done. I went through the same stuff as all my grandparents aged, and some old friends too. It sucks, that's all I have to say.
Hope that old folks home is comfortable with lots of space, and is not just a stable for the elderly to be shipped off to, like some of them unfortunately are.
One of my New Year's resolutions is to take a trip through Alberta and B.C, to see as many railroad and historic sights as possible. Fort Steele and the Canadian Museum of Rail Travel are on my list. Been putting that trip off for far too long now.
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