Ole

[wanswheel]

Old New Yorkers, like Archie Bunker, might pronounce oil as earl.

[Norm48327]

Tangier Island in Chesapeake Bay is also noted for the Gullah accent but it is not as pronounced as it is further south.

[Deggesty]

SALfan

 

 

Deggesty

I do not know about Georgia and Florida (I had not heard of calling a section in either of those states "Low Country"), but the Low Country in South Carolina extends up to the Fall Line--the line where you find falls in rivers--and is much larger than the section (around Charleston, particularly) where Gullah is spoken. Above the Fall Line, you have the Up Country--where I grew up; it is also called Piedmont, particularly in the western part of the state.

 

 

 

 

Low Country is pretty much a South Carolina-only term (speaking as a native of the Coastal Plain in GA, currently living in N. FL).

Murphy - Your relatives being from NC explains the pronunciation.  SE Georgians call it "aw--ull".

 

Thanks. I really did not think that any state other than South Carolina had Low Country. What used to be called "Tidewater" in North Carolina is now called "Coastal," so the Old North State now has Coastal, Piedmont, and Mountain. I do not know if the Virginians decided to change to Coastal or not, but But Virginia did have the same three sections. 

[Deggesty]

M636C

In respect of "Gullah", it was common for dialects to develop in isolated areas cut off from the source of the language, and for anachronisms to be preserved. With modern communications, this would not be expected to occur.

An odd example of this was an Australian colony set up in South America (I think Chili) in the 1890s. Descendants of this group, who speak Spanish outside the home, spoke a version of English just recognisable as a predecessor of current English. preserving many Australian speech oddities that disappeared as radio, movies and finally television standardised spoken English.

My favourite anecdote about accents relates to a meeting of the Air Standardisation Coordinating Committee (members Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, USA) in Washington DC.

We had a group meal in a restaurant in Georgetown and towards the end of the meal, the waitress asked "where are you guys from?". While used to accents, the range in that one group was too much for her.

M636C

 

That waitress obviously had never learned to talk properly--had she so learned, she would have asked, "Where 'bouts y'all from?"

A further note about Gullah: the children on a plantation who did not go away to school often spoke Gullah, even after growing up-and those who went away to school spoke in accord with their schoolmates.

[M636C]

In respect of "Gullah", it was common for dialects to develop in isolated areas cut off from the source of the language, and for anachronisms to be preserved. With modern communications, this would not be expected to occur.

An odd example of this was an Australian colony set up in South America (I think Chili) in the 1890s. Descendants of this group, who speak Spanish outside the home, spoke a version of English just recognisable as a predecessor of current English. preserving many Australian speech oddities that disappeared as radio, movies and finally television standardised spoken English.

My favourite anecdote about accents relates to a meeting of the Air Standardisation Coordinating Committee (members Australia, Canada, New Zealand, United Kingdom, USA) in Washington DC.

We had a group meal in a restaurant in Georgetown and towards the end of the meal, the waitress asked "where are you guys from?". While used to accents, the range in that one group was too much for her.

M636C

[Murphy Siding]

SALfan

 

 

Murphy - Your relatives being from NC explains the pronunciation.  SE Georgians call it "aw--ull".

 

 Years ago, I lived in an area in Wyoming that had a lot of oil wells.  For reasons I never understood, a lot of people pronounced it as a 2 syllable word:
oy-yull.

[SALfan]

Deggesty

I do not know about Georgia and Florida (I had not heard of calling a section in either of those states "Low Country"), but the Low Country in South Carolina extends up to the Fall Line--the line where you find falls in rivers--and is much larger than the section (around Charleston, particularly) where Gullah is spoken. Above the Fall Line, you have the Up Country--where I grew up; it is also called Piedmont, particularly in the western part of the state.

 

Low Country is pretty much a South Carolina-only term (speaking as a native of the Coastal Plain in GA, currently living in N. FL).

Murphy - Your relatives being from NC explains the pronunciation.  SE Georgians call it "aw--ull".

[SALfan]

Dakguy201

 

schlimm

 

I do not recall a weird accent there, but in the Low Country in FL <snip>

 

 

 

 

I didn't realize there was a High Country in FL!

 

Highest point in FL is about 525 feet, according to my sometimes-fallible memory.  Doctors don't treat a lot of altitude sickness here.

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

Murphy Siding

That would make for some awkward moments as you tried to explain to the nice policeman that you were simply standing by the aiload tacks along the Eading Aiload waiting fo the tain to oll by because you'e a big ailfan. 

Especially if the policeman was more accustomed to hearing the "Pennsylvania Dutch" dialect (variation of German), which was common in the region where the Reading Railroad operated. 

- Paul North.

[zugmann]

Murphy Siding

      As I understand it, most oil cars are owned by the oil companies(?)  If the market slows down enough that there is a glut of oil cars, where do they store them?  Would a shipper or refinery store them on their property, or pay rent on some railroad property?

 

 

I know of a local smaller railroad that has miles and miles of oil trains stored on an unused line.

[Murphy Siding]

blhanel

 

Murphy Siding

     There is a pipeline in the works to go from southeast South Dakota to Illinoi(?) by way of Iowa.  The BNSF and a fertilizer/grain unit train load-out location have teamed up to bring in pipe.  There's a field near Worthing, S.D. that has acres and acres of pipe stacked higher than a house.

 

 

 

Don't hold your breath on that one- the NIMBYs are fighting it tooth-and-nail.

 

  I've read that.  Somebody is betting big time that it will go through.  Otherwise, they'll have to have a big fire sale on pipe.

Here's an idea of how much is there.

https://www.google.com/maps/@43.3346958,-96.8121773,483m/data=!3m1!1e3 

[Deggesty]

Growing up in Up Country South Carolina, I may have learned about "awl"--and was corrected after marrying; my wife was born in Evanston, Illinois, and grew up in Memphis, yet never learned to talk properly.

[blhanel]

Murphy Siding

     There is a pipeline in the works to go from southeast South Dakota to Illinoi(?) by way of Iowa.  The BNSF and a fertilizer/grain unit train load-out location have teamed up to bring in pipe.  There's a field near Worthing, S.D. that has acres and acres of pipe stacked higher than a house.

Don't hold your breath on that one- the NIMBYs are fighting it tooth-and-nail.

[Dakguy201]

There is an old Milwaukee switchyard near me on BNSF's Aberdeen sub.  For more than a year it has held (perhaps) 150 tank cars.  From the various reporting marks I think they belong to the leasing companies. 

[Murphy Siding]

      As I understand it, most oil cars are owned by the oil companies(?)  If the market slows down enough that there is a glut of oil cars, where do they store them?  Would a shipper or refinery store them on their property, or pay rent on some railroad property?

[Jim611]

When I was in college, Becky from French Lick, IN had the thickest Southern accent I've ever heard.  And when we have conference calls with our London office, it can be a challenge to make sure you understand what they are saying.

Regarding oil, my observation is that I am still seeing about the same number of oil trains. From what I have heard, the Saudis are at war with the frackers and Iran and will keep pumping too much oil until they put them out of business.  The frackers have stopped drilling new wells, but are still pumping oil from wells already drilled as there biggest cost was drilling the well.  As the oil production diminishes from these wells, the number of trains will decrease.  It will probably happen over 6 to 9 monts.

[Murphy Siding]

tree68

I was just reading about the "Transatlantic" accent, which was actually taught in "high class" schools pre-WWII.  The article was set in the movie realm, explaining why "old" movies sound so different.  One feature of this accent is the dropping of R's.

 

That would make for some awkward moments as you tried to explain to the nice policeman that you were simply standing by the aiload tacks along the Eading Aiload waiting fo the tain to oll by because you'e a big ailfan.

[tree68]

I was just reading about the "Transatlantic" accent, which was actually taught in "high class" schools pre-WWII.  The article was set in the movie realm, explaining why "old" movies sound so different.  One feature of this accent is the dropping of R's.

[Norm48327]

Well, Paul,

To our ears, the Brits do seem to masacre the king's English, but they probably think the same of us. LOL.

[Paul_D_North_Jr]

I've seen it written that in Texas or Oklahoma, it's also pronounced "awl" (Tom Clancy, Red Storm Rising).  

I've also seen or heard that the English language dialect in the coastal areas of North and South Carolina and Georgia is more like the English in the times of Shakespeare and Chaucer ("Canterbury Tales") than the English spoken in that country of Great Britain today. 

- Paul North.   

[wanswheel]

[Mookie]

tree68

F'rinstance, how much of an effect has this incredibly mild fall had?

 I have been most happy all fall!  

[Murphy Siding]

wjstix

Ole? Here in Minnesota, we pronounce that "Oh-lee", as in "Hey Ole, there goes another oil train, tell Sven to get the camera!"

 

  There?  Here in South Dakota, Ole pronounces that "dare", as in "Hey Ole, dare goes anuder train....."

[wjstix]

Ole? Here in Minnesota, we pronounce that "Oh-lee", as in "Hey Ole, there goes another oil train, tell Sven to get the camera!"

Course my old friend from Arkansas would have pronounced it "Earl Train".

[Murphy Siding]

Mookie

But isn't this just a temporary decline in oil shipments and like all things cyclical will come back again?  Or is this a decline because of pipelines that have been built recently so rail shipping isn't as necessary? 

 

Well, I'd guess they'll still be fighting over the Keystone Pipeline 10 years from now.

     There is a pipeline in the works to go from southeast South Dakota to Illinoi(?) by way of Iowa.  The BNSF and a fertilizer/grain unit train load-out location have teamed up to bring in pipe.  There's a field near Worthing, S.D. that has acres and acres of pipe stacked higher than a house.

[BaltACD]

Mookie

But isn't this just a temporary decline in oil shipments and like all things cyclical will come back again?  Or is this a decline because of pipelines that have been built recently so rail shipping isn't as necessary?

One destination terminal on my carrier is still doing their normal 4 trains a day.  Don't know about other terminals.

[Murphy Siding]

Norm48327

Schlimm,

While there, friends and I chartered a small fishing boat. The owner definitely was a local. He was somewhat difficult to understand at times.

 

  Was that what the filmakers had in the back of their minds for the fishing boat owner in the movie Jaws?

[Murphy Siding]

edblysard

Here in Houston, we just call it "the payroll"....

 

  I've never heard it pronounced that way.

[Norm48327]

Schlimm,

While there, friends and I chartered a small fishing boat. The owner definitely was a local. He was somewhat difficult to understand at times.