(Sarcasm font wished for..)Perfect environment for the bean-counters that run some railroads.
Carl
Railroader Emeritus (practiced railroading for 46 years--and in 2010 I finally got it right!)
CAACSCOCOM--I don't want to behave improperly, so I just won't behave at all. (SM)
I would guess that his keyboard knows what a hill of beans smells like.
poneykeg Growing conditions can alter test weight of corn dramaticaly. I have 35 years span growing corn and bean and test weight can vary from 51# to 62# per bushel. Anyone that dealt with the corn leaking was or is thanking their lucky stars it wasnt soybeans, my keyboard will not describe the aroma of wet soybeans!
Growing conditions can alter test weight of corn dramaticaly. I have 35 years span growing corn and bean and test weight can vary from 51# to 62# per bushel. Anyone that dealt with the corn leaking was or is thanking their lucky stars it wasnt soybeans, my keyboard will not describe the aroma of wet soybeans!
Johnny
Hey BooBoo, what say we head on down to the tracks and do some railfanning? If we hurry, we can still get in on happy hour.
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
Best wildlife feeding system ever devised. BNSF deals with the "diners" outside Havre/ Glacier National Park, including the drunken bears overdoing it on fermenting corn.
From experience I can say that a small hole in a container full of particulate material may well not leak at all when at rest; but any bump or vibration of the container will cause material to start leaking. Coarser particles such as corn especially. Thus a car inspector might not find a small leak.
Norris, the good news is that covered hopper cars have partitions in them to divide the car--so a leak could empty one compartment, but not the entire car.Somewhere the math is deficient, as modern grain cars haul anywhere from 5150 to 5200 cubic feet of payload (variations depending on carbuilder and taking into consideration the 286000-pound gross rail load).If you were to see a car leaking badly enough to produce the long pyramid you described, I'd urge you to call your railroad's 800 number. It's probably safe to say that such a leak somehow occurred en route, as no car department would allow a car leaking that badly to depart a terminal. The leak would probably be due to an improperly-closed discharge gate.
From: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0096874/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Marty McFly: Where are we? When are we?
Doc: We're descending toward Hill Valley, California, at 4:29 pm, on Wednesday, October 21st, 2015.
Marty McFly: 2015? You mean we're in the future?
Jennifer: Future? Marty, what do you mean? How can we be in the future?
Marty McFly: Uh, Jennifer, um, I don't know how to tell you this, but I... you're in a time machine.
Jennifer: And this is the year '2015'?
Doc: October 21st, 2015.
From: http://www.michaeljfoxdatabase.com/reviews-synopses-2/synopses/back-to-the-future/
"It [the screen] comes up [from being black] with Marty driving through a corn field, running into a scarecrow that gets stuck on his windshield and finally crashing into a barn. . . .
The owner of the diner laughs when he sees Marty’s red vest. “You jump ship, kid?” . . .
One of them sees Marty’s vest and says, “Look at this. The dork thinks he’s gonna drown.” Even the boy next to Marty laughs at that."
- Paul North.
M636C BaltACD Murphy Siding I thought the spped limit for kicking cars was 143 mph? and require 88 gigawatts of power For anybody who missed it: "The Future" was 17 October 2015 (Last Saturday).... (from "Back to the Future Part II") M636C
BaltACD Murphy Siding I thought the spped limit for kicking cars was 143 mph? and require 88 gigawatts of power
Murphy Siding I thought the spped limit for kicking cars was 143 mph?
I thought the spped limit for kicking cars was 143 mph?
and require 88 gigawatts of power
For anybody who missed it:
"The Future" was 17 October 2015 (Last Saturday)....
(from "Back to the Future Part II")
M636C
At 56 pounds per bushel; in a 286K car with a 60K tare weight you get slightly over 4035 bushels.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Murphy Siding Somebody check my math- If a train left a little, pyramid pile of corn 1" wide and one inch tall down the rail line, it would add up to about 18.33 cubic feet per mile of lost grain. Each bushel of corn is 1.244 cubic feet. A covered hopper carries 3200 bushels of corn (sort of- the internets aren't exactly sure. One source said 33,000). 3200 bushels is 3981 cubic feet. 3981 cubic feet in a covered hopper divided by 18.33 cubic feet of corn lost per miles equals 217 miles before the car is empty.
Somebody check my math- If a train left a little, pyramid pile of corn 1" wide and one inch tall down the rail line, it would add up to about 18.33 cubic feet per mile of lost grain. Each bushel of corn is 1.244 cubic feet. A covered hopper carries 3200 bushels of corn (sort of- the internets aren't exactly sure. One source said 33,000). 3200 bushels is 3981 cubic feet. 3981 cubic feet in a covered hopper divided by 18.33 cubic feet of corn lost per miles equals 217 miles before the car is empty.
I think you might be computing the wrong thing. If a car is leaking grain, I think it is doing so regardless of its speed down the railroad or even if it is moving at all. Maybe the appropriate question is what is the quantity lost per unit of time. Using your data a car that leaked 1" by 1" by 1" of corn a second would be short 23.15 bu/min, or just about 2.3 hours to empty the car.
Of course, my example assumes a constant rate of leakage over the entire contents of the car which I doubt is representative of the real world. It also assumes no internal baffles to contain the leak.
By government decree a bushel of shelled corn weighs 56 lbs. I would have thought a modern grain hopper comes closer to weighing out than the example we are using here.
Caution: Math is not one of my strong suits.
Somebody check my math- If a train left a little, pyramid pile of corn 1" wide and one inch tall down the rail line, it would add up to about 18.33 cubic feet per mile of lost grain. Each bushel of corn is 1.244 cubic feet. A covered hopper carries 3200 bushels of corn (sort of- the internets aren't exactly sure. One source said 33,000). 3200 bushels is 3981 cubic feet. 3981 cubic feet in a covered hopper divided by 18.33 cubic feet of corn lost per miles equals 217 miles before the car is empty. Do grain cars ever show up at their destination empty?
And, speaking of automobiles, I may have mentioned the time that an auto rack car was being slowed in one of the group retarders, and the front-most vehicle on the top deck (a Ford station wagon, I think) took a flip and landed on its roof derectly in front of the rack!The poor CRO (it wasn't I, though I saw it): "Hey, I've got a car on the ground! No, nothing's on the ground, but there's a car on the ground! I mean..." He was kind of flustered. (He was a Carolina good-old boy...try saying that with a Gomer Pyle accent!). As you might have guessed, this was in the days before auto racks had solid sides and end doors. The wagon was flattened right down (up?) to the base of the windows.
CNW used to have its own "suck truck" to take care of various spills around Proviso. (A yard cleaner now does a better job and on a more consistent basis.) I don't think the grain could be reclaimed, so it was just taken to an area that was being filled in. I think it must have sufficiently settled before the north lot of Global 2 was built there.We had one private contractor, tangentially related to this...the guy who would come in and trap pigeons. There was plenty of spilled corn to use as bait. UP banned him, though, after he was observed working or driving in an unsafe manner in the hump bowl.I helped unload a grain car once. It was done in record time, of maybe a couple seconds. It was not appreciated. The corn wound up covering one of my retarders. The car wound up on the rip, for the doors to be re-hung (this was a box car).
Does the deer have any dough?
Yes, two bucks, nyuk,nyuk,nyuk.
Murphy Siding What's the standard proceedure when a railroad notices that a grain car is leaving serious piles of birdfood in a yard or on a siding, etc.. ?
What's the standard proceedure when a railroad notices that a grain car is leaving serious piles of birdfood in a yard or on a siding, etc.. ?
For us, the cheif dispatcher is called, then a contractor will come out and pick it up. If it isn't too much, he'll bring shovels and 5 gallon buckets. If it is a lot, he'll bring the vac truck with him. Car will then get sealed up for travel, and shop tagged if it needs more serious repairs after it is emptied.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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edblysard Murphy Siding What's the standard proceedure when a railroad notices that a grain car is leaving serious piles of birdfood in a yard or on a siding, etc.. ? Everyone gets a box or trash bags....
Everyone gets a box or trash bags....
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zugmann ChuckCobleigh That's OK, they've got lots of doe. I'll give you 10 points for that.
ChuckCobleigh That's OK, they've got lots of doe.
I'll give you 10 points for that.
Is that why some other threads here that need the popcorn don't have it ???
Paul_D_North_Jr Lots of cargoes are like that - coal off hopper cars, iron ore pellet leakage, TVs from containers, cars from auto-racks / multi-levels . . . - Paul North.
Lots of cargoes are like that - coal off hopper cars, iron ore pellet leakage, TVs from containers, cars from auto-racks / multi-levels . . .
ChuckCobleighThat's OK, they've got lots of doe.
NKP guy Oh, so that explains why trains always cost deer a few more bucks this time of year.
Oh, so that explains why trains always cost deer a few more bucks this time of year.
That's OK, they've got lots of doe.
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