No not the North river tunnels. The HSR tunnel from France to Spain on the east coast has floooded again after one flooding in September. This due to a river flooding into shaft. Guess the operator didn't learn a lesson. Appears water came in a ventilation shaft. Damage unknown but possibly extensive. Question -- Why no flood gate or the shaft opening above the 500 year flood zone?
http://www.railjournal.com/index.php/high-speed/france-spain-hsl-severed-by-flooding-again.html?channel=542
Was this the 2nd 500 year flood of the year? Seems like every week we have the storm of the Century!
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
BALT -- My question was why wasn't the shaft opening raised above any 500 year flood possibility. Maybe Mario can fill us in more ?
blue streak 1 BALT -- My question was why wasn't the shaft opening raised above any 500 year flood possibility. Maybe Mario can fill us in more ?
mudchicken Wanna place a bet on a new design minimum in the 'ol design manual appearing soon? Tunnels never behave as intended.
Wanna place a bet on a new design minimum in the 'ol design manual appearing soon? Tunnels never behave as intended.
Once again Mudchicken has made a profound assestment. "Tunels never behave as intended" causes us to realize why there are so many quirks on any tunnel.
Should have hung the sarcasm tag.
Since we have only been keeping accurate weather records in most of the world for 150-200 years - we have NO ACCURATE IDEA of what a real 500 year storm is. Couple that with the 'Weather Media' trying to out hype each other on storm severity and what we really have is a innacurate understanding of what the 'limits' of the weather are. We have to understand, Ma Nature is not bound by 'man specified' limits.
Balt, you certainly speak the truth. Our "weather guessers" make the best use they can of past weather--and often fail to warn us of something which is extraordinary.--About six years ago, we had a unusually heavy snow Christmas night which broke tree branches and they, in turn, broke power lines. We had bought a kerosene heater several years before and had never used it; we were very glad to have the use of it for about a day and a half. Perhaps that was the 500 year Christmas storm?
Johnny
When I worked on a national forest in Arkansas, we had two "100-year floods" in less than two years. The local road contractors and their equipment suppliers were pretty happy for about three years.
Reading the sketchy link a river bank burst its banks both September and the latest one. That is not a 500 year flood but a close by river . So why did the Spanish not build a temporary berm around the shaft until a permanent fix for the problem could be done ?
Sounds like bureacratic ineptitude..
BaltACD. Couple that with the 'Weather Media' trying to out hype each other on storm severity and......
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
blue streak 1 Reading the sketchy link a river bank burst its banks both September and the latest one. That is not a 500 year flood but a close by river . So why did the Spanish not build a temporary berm around the shaft until a permanent fix for the problem could be done ? Sounds like bureacratic ineptitude..
Sounds like Spanish & French hubris! That river wouldn't dare flood our tunnel!
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