SALfan Last week saw a locomotive in (faded) ATSF paint come thru Tallahassee last week. Don't know how many of them are left, but those puppies get around.
Last week saw a locomotive in (faded) ATSF paint come thru Tallahassee last week. Don't know how many of them are left, but those puppies get around.
I never thought this Thread would last as long as it has; Amazing how the "War Bonnet" paint scheme has collected a fan base.
It was conceived in the GM Art&Color Department by a gentleman named Leland Knickerbocker and was patent protected in 1937. It was to be the scheme to identify AT&SF's Passenger diesel fleet. It was used on Covered wagons and was also applied to a number of Santa Fe's Motor Car Fleet(Doodlebugs), and it's RDC cars (2). In about 1971, the Santa Fe(' The Chief' designator for it's passenger program disappeared in favor of AMTRAK.
In 1967, the Santa Fe purchased SDP45 (cowls)(#100-108) for their passenger service,( to avoid freight diesels on their passenger trains). When AMTRAK took over passenger trains, they went into service on the premium freight service "Super C".
In June and July of 1989 Santa Fe had resurected the WarBonnet paint scheme for it "Super Fleet" it was generally credited to the then president of the Santa Fe Mike R. Haverty for bringing back the paint scheme.
My point is that thse former Sant Fe Warbonnets are still doing yoeman service with the BNSF and in pools operated on other railroads. The other side of this situation seems to reside with an agreement BNSF made upon purchase of the Santa Fe and specifically these Warbonnet painted units..[paraphrased]."...It was agreed by BNSF, that the BNSF would run those units in their pain schemes as long as that was practical to do so..." I know we see thse units several times a day in this area of South Central Kansas, and twenty plus years later they still wear the Warbonnet paint scheme, with BNSF writ on their sides and some eve have their Santa Fe assigned numbers and othrs have been patched with new numbers; and all are getting pretty worn, and scruffy these days...
gregc Overmod gregc, what were the colors on that second unit? hard for me to recall. washed out red. maybe striped red/white/red
Overmod gregc, what were the colors on that second unit?
hard for me to recall. washed out red. maybe striped red/white/red
I'm with carnej1 on this likely being Canadian Pacific.
Citirail is blue and silver, and CNJ Heritage is very distinctive blue and orange:
If our yard is any indication, there are a lot of the yellow and blue SF engines still out there. And most of them have odd patches on their sides. We have a red and silver/gray one that has an orange panel on it. That is a favorite of mine!
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Overmodgregc, what were the colors on that second unit?
hard for me to recall. washed out red. maybe stripped red/white/red
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samfp1943 Mookie I would be more interested in the Central Pacific! We have CSX, NS, CP and CN all come thru Nebraska on a regular basis, so it doesn't seem unusual to me that you would have some BNSF back there. Unless there is a further explanation that I don't know, I would suggest it is just "I used yours, so you get to use mine". Payback of power owed? Me too! Mookie! Central Pacific.... I know some strange stuff happens in NJ from time to time! My queston to gregc is did that freight train look anything like the picture in this link? @ http://www.cprr.org/ If it did, you might want to call in a "professional", put down the coffee mug, and back slowly away from that keyboard!
Mookie I would be more interested in the Central Pacific! We have CSX, NS, CP and CN all come thru Nebraska on a regular basis, so it doesn't seem unusual to me that you would have some BNSF back there. Unless there is a further explanation that I don't know, I would suggest it is just "I used yours, so you get to use mine". Payback of power owed?
I would be more interested in the Central Pacific!
We have CSX, NS, CP and CN all come thru Nebraska on a regular basis, so it doesn't seem unusual to me that you would have some BNSF back there. Unless there is a further explanation that I don't know, I would suggest it is just "I used yours, so you get to use mine". Payback of power owed?
Me too! Mookie! Central Pacific....
I know some strange stuff happens in NJ from time to time!
My queston to gregc is did that freight train look anything like the picture in this link? @ http://www.cprr.org/
If it did, you might want to call in a "professional", put down the coffee mug, and back slowly away from that keyboard!
Johnny
Saw a consist come through Utica, NY last weekend with NS, ICE, and CP on the point. You just never know.
The color of the loco will be the kicker here.
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Possibly could have been the cnj heritage engine.
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carnej1Could you have misread Canadian Pacific as "Central Pacific"?
I wondered whether it might have been one of the Citirail units.
gregc, what were the colors on that second unit?
gregc i was a bit distracted at the time. Definetly saw that the lead engine was SantaFe and pretty sure the 2nd engine was Central something in relateively small undistinguished lettering. (sorry for suggesting a time warp). so what what might the 2nd engine have been?
i was a bit distracted at the time. Definetly saw that the lead engine was SantaFe and pretty sure the 2nd engine was Central something in relateively small undistinguished lettering. (sorry for suggesting a time warp).
so what what might the 2nd engine have been?
Could you have misread Canadian Pacific as "Central Pacific"? Some of their older units are lettered "CP" without the name spelled out..
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Trains Magazine, in their recent oil train issue, described routes for tank trains that lead from the new oil fields straight to eastern refineries. From your description it sounds like you the saw one of these. I have seen the heavy traffic ($$$) on BNSF coming down the mississippi in WI. There is a lot of oil moving on rail there.
What colour was it?
Entire trains run through from one railroad to another. Those tank cars may have been an ethanol or oil train that originated on the BNSF. Instead of taking off their engines at the interchange point, they stay with the train and run through.
Jeff
Run-through power and/or payback of horsepower hours. Simple as that.
Norm
I'm a modeler and don't usually follow the trains forums, so this may be old news.
I was in Manville, NJ and saw an outbound train of tanks cars being pulled by SantaFe and Central Pacific Locomotives. About a month ago I saw a BNSF locomotive outside Newark airport
why are these western railroad locomotived on the east coast?
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