"New" browsers seem to have changed the way that some HTML code is executed and that has broken the forums that have not updated their code to work the "new way". IE-10 and IE-11 have a feature where they can revert to the "old way" and that is called "Compatibility Mode".
In IE you can tell the browser to use that mode for all sites within a domain by putting that domain name (like "Trains dot com" {substitute just a "," for that " dot "}) into a list... click the "Gear" icon in the upper right corner of the IE window and select "Compatibility View settings" and put the domain name into the text box and click "ADD", then close the dialog box and refresh the display. You can even set it to treat ALL websites in Compatibility Mode using a checkmark in the Internet Settings option of the program, but if you do that, you might lose some operability of some websites that might be using the "New" features available in the "new" way of interpreting HTML code.
I have no idea what would need to be done on a Smartaleckphone or tablet or other device, nor what to do if you are using some other Browser.
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Deggestyblue streak 1 ACYIf it's any comfort, I can't get this site to make separate paragraphs either. Maybe could hold down space bar multiple times ? Nope, that does not work; at least with my trying that the multiple spaces were ignored. This time, when I got on line using my laptop (I am traveling), the menu for all sorts of things came up, but there have been several times that it has not come up. At one time, I thought using wireless caused the failure--and then it failed when I was plugged in (I am plugged in now). Perhaps it is something with the site.
blue streak 1 ACYIf it's any comfort, I can't get this site to make separate paragraphs either. Maybe could hold down space bar multiple times ?
ACYIf it's any comfort, I can't get this site to make separate paragraphs either.
This time, when I got on line using my laptop (I am traveling), the menu for all sorts of things came up, but there have been several times that it has not come up. At one time, I thought using wireless caused the failure--and then it failed when I was plugged in (I am plugged in now). Perhaps it is something with the site.
Johnny
A second to what Carl said. UP also used to use the former CNW mountain and quarry at Rock Springs, WI, home of the famous Pink Lady ballast.
The trains would come up from UP Janesville, and head up the WSOR to Rock Springs, as the line was leased from UP starting around 1995-6. The former CNW Janesville-MADison line is no longer in service, so WSOR's ex MILW line between those points is used, then former CNW to Rock Springs.
A 60-car set of Herzogs would just fit between switches at Rock Springs, had to bunch the slack.
A view from the tower.
The older loadout is visible, relegated to chip loading. The loadout tower I am in is on the mainline.
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Paragraph spacing requires a toolbar in the "Compose" box. If there is none, I click "Tools" (on my computer it resembles a gear in the upper right corner of the screen), then “Compatibility View settings,” then “Add” (this website, Trains . com). Thanks to Semper Vaporo.
http://cs.trains.com/trc/f/2/t/227847.aspx
Murphy Siding It sounds as if the Herzog cars are made for dumping ballast on the fly. Would UP then simply order the cars filled with generic ballast, or are there specific kinds and sizes of ballast to order?
It sounds as if the Herzog cars are made for dumping ballast on the fly. Would UP then simply order the cars filled with generic ballast, or are there specific kinds and sizes of ballast to order?
Murphy:
Names and Railroads vary a little, but the general scheme Is:
Waste/Screenings/fines: Less than 3/4" (air dumps or well sealed hoppers)
Chips: 3/4"
Yard Ballast: 1 1/2"
Main Line Ballast 3 1/2" *most of what arrives in automated GPS/ remote control hoppers
Two Man RipRap (Football Sized in air dumps)
RipRap: The big stuff (in air dumps)
I had problems with not separating paragraphs when using Safari, no problems when using Firefox.
Murphy Siding [snipped - PDN] . . . are there specific kinds and sizes of ballast to order?
http://www.uprr.com/aboutup/operations/specs/attachments/std_dwg/0010.pdf
I did find a 2012 copy of AREMA Chapter 1 on-line, but it's like 632 pages (24 MB), most of it is about other subjects, and it seems like "Too Much Information" for the question asked.
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CShaveRR You seem to be suggesting that because UP locomotives brought the cars out (and presumably brought them in) that a UP crew was in charge. I suspect that the Dakota & Iowa's own friendly personnel were handling this power and getting a big thrill from running it there, too (were tracks upgraded enough to allow this power recently?)! If UP wishes to use this ballast in a high(er)-speed mainline application, it would make sense to get it in the cars it leases (or with the service it leases, assuming that Herzog technicians come with the deal), rather than use some other cars and power, then swap power and transload everything. They're like unit trains--it just doesn't make sense to swap out anything any more.
You seem to be suggesting that because UP locomotives brought the cars out (and presumably brought them in) that a UP crew was in charge. I suspect that the Dakota & Iowa's own friendly personnel were handling this power and getting a big thrill from running it there, too (were tracks upgraded enough to allow this power recently?)!
If UP wishes to use this ballast in a high(er)-speed mainline application, it would make sense to get it in the cars it leases (or with the service it leases, assuming that Herzog technicians come with the deal), rather than use some other cars and power, then swap power and transload everything. They're like unit trains--it just doesn't make sense to swap out anything any more.
...and they have plenty to accomplish around Chi-town in a relatively short time.
Randy Stahl Its the time of year for capitol track projects. If it don't get done the customers won't accept the explanation that the track is slow ordered because they didn't get the work done on the track. Railroads have a narrow window to get all the work done. Randy
Its the time of year for capitol track projects. If it don't get done the customers won't accept the explanation that the track is slow ordered because they didn't get the work done on the track.
Railroads have a narrow window to get all the work done.
Randy
You're right about that. Over the last week or so, there has been an NS rail gang train (camp cars, diner, tool cars, etc.) at 47th Street where the Metra Southwest Service splits from the NS main line.
What Carl said. In years past the UP has sent mty ballast trains to the D&I at Sioux City. The D&I leaves the train intact and takes it be loaded, then delivers it back to the UP.
Jeff
After the mergers, most of the railroads got rid of better than half of their ballast car fleets hoping for better utilization and taking up the slack with lease fleets who also took care of the cars and technology that the understaffed mechanical departments were loathe to maintain at all. ("Emperor's new clothes syndrome" which was well and wonderful until the shortages and other blunders of that approach kicked-in....but the operating beancounters are never wrong, are they?
The shortcomings of that line of thinking show up every crisis and every production season. At least the operating bubbas give the lease cars a little higher priority than their own company service cars.
Biggest blunders were seen with the air dump fleet (which mechanical still does a lousy job of maintaining).
Kinda odd that all those unwanted derelict ballast hoppers have gone on to productive new lives on shortlines. I see former ATSF 177000, 178000 and 76000 series ballast hoppers in all sorts of new uses.
(Ya might want to see what makes ballast tick beyond the Rockwell Hardness test, like the LA Abrasion test and counting the facets - See AREMA Ch. 1.2)
samfp1943 Randy Stahl Its the time of year for capitol track projects. If it don't get done the customers won't accept the explanation that the track is slow ordered because they didn't get the work done on the track. Railroads have a narrow window to get all the work done. My paragraphs are pretty Randy Around these parts, BNSF seems to rely on Herzog for many maintenance projects. From Ballast trains to CWR laying, and some other MOW functions. The Herzog MPM Machine seems to be a frequent visitor around here, as well as their CWR Equip. along with the GPS Ballast Spreaders. Georgetown has also used their Ballast Tran around here to stock pile ballast ( It is a 'self unloading train" pretty interesting to watch.) Over on the former MKT line through SE Kansas they still get their ballast rock from the former MKT Quarry down at Stringtown, Okla. ( reportedly its rock has a very high 'Rockwell rating' ?).
Randy Stahl Its the time of year for capitol track projects. If it don't get done the customers won't accept the explanation that the track is slow ordered because they didn't get the work done on the track. Railroads have a narrow window to get all the work done. My paragraphs are pretty Randy
My paragraphs are pretty
Around these parts, BNSF seems to rely on Herzog for many maintenance projects. From Ballast trains to CWR laying, and some other MOW functions. The Herzog MPM Machine seems to be a frequent visitor around here, as well as their CWR Equip. along with the GPS Ballast Spreaders. Georgetown has also used their Ballast Tran around here to stock pile ballast ( It is a 'self unloading train" pretty interesting to watch.)
Over on the former MKT line through SE Kansas they still get their ballast rock from the former MKT Quarry down at Stringtown, Okla. ( reportedly its rock has a very high 'Rockwell rating' ?).
Good place to start.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockwell_scale
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I hear those herzog trains aren't cheap, either. So they probably just kept the UP power on it to save time, and expedite the loading/delivery.
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Murphy SidingThe Dakota and Iowa railroad hauls units trains of pink Sioux Quartzite rock through town every day from a quarry in Dell Rapids, 20 miles north, to Sioux City Iowa, 70 miles south. Today, I caught a train headed through town that was out of place. Three big, yellow, UP SD70's pulling about 50-60 Herzog cars full of pink rock. The nearest UP tracks would be at Sioux City. If the big class ones are so hard up for power and crews, why would UP be picking up at a quarry that usually delivers?
Because this source ends up being the lowest delivered cost for the carrier where it needs the ballast place. If the ballast were destined to another location on their system, another source would probably have a lower delivered cost and be used for that location.
Additionally, the quarry would not deliver their ballast in Herzog cars. Herzog ballast trains dump through computerized GPS mapping at speeds between 10 & 25 MPH - thus getting the ballast on the ground in the right locations and using a minimum to track time to do it.
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