They are trying to clean up a derailment.
Maybe they are not doing it right.
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The next question: who gets to tell the boss? Personaly I think the guy in the grey t-shirt wasn't holding his tongue right.
Tim
I guess I'm too slow because you beat me to the post. I don't think they did it right either.
LION wonders why tow cable did not break. And if it would break it would coil about like a mad snake on steroids and cut those workers standing on the track in half.
Object lesson in 'string lining' as a derailment cause.
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Why were they attempting to pull it up the fill? Where were they going to go with it anyway? They must have had a crane to remove the trucks, but where was the crane? Did they really expect the locomotive to slide nicely up the hill of soft dirt?
I could be wrong, but it seems to me the cable forces the lead locomotive to slip sideways at first, and then it topples. Could it be that it forced the gauge to open first, or that the rail flopped over on its side?
Crandell
I see openings for a new mechanical supervisor (wreckmaster) and/or a superintendent.
(I cringed with the lack of proper safety precautions taken)
mudchicken I see openings for a new mechanical supervisor (wreckmaster) and/or a superintendent. (I cringed with the lack of proper safety precautions taken)
They're only Brazilians - so safety is a minimal concern
BaltACD They're only Brazilians -
They're only Brazilians -
Well, ain't that a "whodathunkit?!?!?"
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zardoz BaltACD They're only Brazilians - How many is a Brazilian?
A 'B' more than a razilian.
Is this video of a government owned and operated railroad?
You know, if they were using a crane there would be a manual with charts in a pocket by the operator's seat. It would show how much weight could be lifted at each boom angel and length. And the operator could say "Hey Mano, No can do." And that would have been that.
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Hold my beer and watch this?
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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zugmann mudchicken I see openings for a new mechanical supervisor (wreckmaster) and/or a superintendent. (I cringed with the lack of proper safety precautions taken) Hold my beer and watch this?
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BroadwayLion You know, if they were using a crane there would be a manual with charts in a pocket by the operator's seat. It would show how much weight could be lifted at each boom angel and length. And the operator could say "Hey Mano, No can do." And that would have been that.
By the time a railroad crane gets on that scene - the manuals and charts are long, long gone. Contractors crane may have them.
It looks like it was working fine until the engineer opened the throttle a couple more notches. At first I could not understand if that obvious line was the pull cable because it seems too light and loose. Apparently that is just an electrical cable that is lying there alongside the locomotive they are pulling. The actual pull cable hardly shows, and it is buried in the ground for the 20-30 feet approaching the locomotive they are pulling.
When the pull force gets high enough, you can see the nearest pulling locomotive suddenly crab sideways off the track. It appears as though it climbed the rail rather than tipping the rail over. You can almost see it jump up enough for its flanges to hop over the rail.
I wonder if just the one unit tipped over, or if the next one went over as well. That looks like meter gage.
They should have seen that coming, but plenty can go wrong in picking up a wreck.
Bucyrus ..They should have seen that coming, but plenty can go wrong in picking up a wreck.
..They should have seen that coming, but plenty can go wrong in picking up a wreck.
Bold emphasis mine. The problem is that they didn't pick up the fallen loco, they attempted to drag it broad-face-first through an increasing mass of wet, hard, muck. It was a very silly thing to do IMO.
selector Bucyrus ..They should have seen that coming, but plenty can go wrong in picking up a wreck. Bold emphasis mine. The problem is that they didn't pick up the fallen loco, they attempted to drag it broad-face-first through an increasing mass of wet, hard, muck. It was a very silly thing to do IMO. Crandell
I only use the term, “picking up” in a general sense of cleanup, and not confined to actual lifting. But plenty of big hooks have tipped over due to bad judgment in lifting. I agree that they should have seen the problem posed by pulling at an offset.
I suspect pulling with a locomotive is relatively uncommon, but I have seen the BN use a GP-20 to drag a loaded grain hopper. They were pulling in a straight line so it worked okay. They had a couple wheel loaders pushing while the locomotive, with cable slack, ran forward about 10 feet and jerked the cable tight. The car would move about three feet each time they did that.
WOW. Isn't that what a big hook or bulldozer is for?
Seriously, you would think that they would realize that having the engines pulling back around a curve would have a chance of STRINGLINING?
The manager almost certainly got fired - using those locos was just dumb. Because the track is on a fill, all that would have been accomplished was to drag the derailed loco along the track for aways until the track went onto the level or in a cut.
That's some serious mismanagement.
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It's no big deal. I hear they already have another locomotive on the way!
We can jump on these people all we want, especially for the men's location with a cable under stress. However, wreck clearance is very demanding job calling into play 'seat of the pants' understandings of heavyweight physics and the properties of angles.
While I can't speak to the Brazilians abilities, and from this clip they were lacking, in general all Wreckmasters do a good job of opening the right of way and saving as much equipment as is reasonably possible. These are not tinker toys and HO models that are being moved around - they 50 Ton, 100 Ton, 200 Ton pieces of equipment that have to be relocated from one position to another to open the line - occasionally mistakes in judgement will be made - they are human and fallible.
From what I see, the cause was that the track was brand new, didn't have a lot of ballast on it, and it wasn't well compacted. Because of the lateral forces the track slid sideways off the edge of the dump, that tilted the engines and the rest is history.
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dehusman From what I see, the cause was that the track was brand new, didn't have a lot of ballast on it, and it wasn't well compacted. Because of the lateral forces the track slid sideways off the edge of the dump, that tilted the engines and the rest is history.
As the video ends, you can see a clear view of the track. It does not appear to have moved out of alignment. So I conclude that the flanges climbed the rail rather than shifting the track or tipping over a rail. Also, from the amount of track that is visible after the upset, it looks like more than one locomotive tipped over.
Maybe Hulcher Services needs to open a Brazilian branch..
In regards to an earlier observation from what I've read much of Brazil's rail network is now privatized esp. freight operations..
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