Decided to re-list the links to the files so no one has to go back and read all through the pages of this thread to find them.
Excel file of both sets of data: (241K)
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xls
PDF file of Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (6 pages, 39K)
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
PDF file of U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (14 pages, 62K)
http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf
Semper Vaporo
Pkgs.
I was looking at the Classic Trains Forum for the first time and there was a picture of the double overlapping turntable in Hamburg that was discussed earlier in this thread.
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/t/207002.aspx
In another Classic Trains thread Called "Turntables" the topic came up again, and it was posited that it started out as 2 smaller separate turntables, but became overlapped when the tables were enlarged.
Here is another former TT site in Colorado
CO Cumbres 37° 1'9.90"N 106°26'56.55"W C&TS (D&RGW) TT Dismantled
The historical reference is from a C&TS booklet on Cumbres Pass from a recent Classic Trains forum thread on Railfanning Colorado
http://www.trainweb.org/rradventures/2005/09-22_Cumbres_and_Toltec_Scenic_Railroad-yyy_003.htm
Mike, Thanks for this note, I'll have to check that out. Where there was almost always the covered wye there it seems odd that there was a Tt., but!? By the way, I don't want to waste space by putting in a list of sites I've found while poking around over the past couple of months, so, if you would like a copy of the list email me at DPNRR@gmail.com and I'll be glad to forward it to you. There are 40 of what I think are new locations not on Semper Vaporo's latest list. This is allowing for some I might have missed. DPRNRRColorado
DPRNRRColorado, go ahead and post those sites to the forum so everyone interested can see them. It might spur Semper Vaporo to update his list.
Yes, please list them here. I "am" working on it, but my attention span is a bit artifically limited recently and I can't put in the time like I was doing.
(Of course, if you REALLY want to "spur me"... send cash! )
(The hurrieder I go, the behinder I get!)
http://www.trainweb.org/oldtimetrains/CPR_London/history_Main.htm
http://www.creativeproperty.com/html/features1.html
Two roundhouses based in London ON.....
Any argument carried far enough will end up in Semantics--Hartz's law of rhetoric Emerald. Leemer and Southern The route of the Sceptre Express Barry
I just started my blog site...more stuff to come...
http://modeltrainswithmusic.blogspot.ca/
MidlandMike/Semper Vaporo and all else --- here is the list of spots I've come up with over the last couple of months. I hope some of them at least will be new to you. DPRNRRColorado
I figured N. Bessemer OH was near Conneaut, but when I entered the Lat-Long into Google Earth, I realized it was the BLE yard in N. Bessemer, PA. Thanks for the list.
Well... ya cain't say I din't warn ya! I am still ATTEMPTING to update the list from all the EXCELLENT research you folk have been doing!
To that end I just completed the additions from Zwingle of 01-22-2012 4:26 AM
I had a terrible time with them as most I initially could not even verify based on the links that were provided. I found maybe 10 out of the huge list and was beginning to wonder what was going on. Then I noticed that using one of the links to Historic Aerials, that if I drug the image down there was a definite error in the sewing of the new image that appeared from above the original image that came up. I tried refreshing the screen and got yet another odd image that didn't show a Roundhouse or Turntable. I found I have to select a different year and then reselect the year that was intended and THEN I get the correct image. WHAT A PAIN! I had to go back through the entire list to recheck them and all were then verified! (Stupid Cornphewter enyhow!)
So, here are the updates to the master list. I also added a few of my own and a few non-U.S. sites too.
I will get started on the next of Zwingles lists now, (and make sure I do the little 'fix' to get the correct images so I don't start discarding stuff I can't find and then have to do it all over again!).
Non-U.S. sites:
U.S. sites:
I will post again after I get the on-line files updated.
Excel file of both sets of data: (252K)
PDF file of Non-U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (7 pages, 40K)
PDF file of U.S. Roundhouses and Turntables: (15 pages, 66K)
Added bunches and bunches more from the various posts herein... I am now as up to date as I can be, but there were several that I was unable to verify... I will try to make a list of them for discussion if you wish.
Additions to Non-U.S. Sites:
Additions to U.S. sites:
I have uploaded the new files to the links in my previous post.
I noticed a couple of typos:
USA NY Nornell Should be: Hornell
USA OH N. Bessemer Should be: USA PA N. Bessemer
I can certainly attribute the 1st one as a typo.
But that 2nd one is closer to just plain numbskullery.
Thanks.
(It also tells me that people are actually looking at it! Double thanks!)
((And I have to admit that last weekend when I was working through all the new sites, I found a couple of other errors from a LONG time ago and fixed them... I think I had a site in Michigan as being in New Hampshire, so the numbskullery is not new!!!!))
The new files are uploaded, to the same links as before... See the top of this page of the thread.
New items added mainly due to a posting from DPRNRRColorado, See: http://cs.trains.com/trn/f/111/t/210925.aspx
New USA sites added:
New Non-USA sites:
There are now 946 sites in the U.S. list and 451 sites in the Non-U.S. list.
Excel file of both lists:
Non-U.S. list in PDF format:
U.S. list in PDF format:
As usual, if anyone finds a mistake, please let me know and I will correct it.
The first three sites on the non-US list for Greece should be under Italy.
Well!... that's embarassing!
My apologies to both countries and the citizens thereof.
Fixed
Site labeled Austria - Freilassing is actually in Germany.
After I had fixed the first 3 errors I spent some time following rail lines and found the following additional sites in Italy (I'm pretty sure I got it right this time! ... hope hope hope).
I have also repaired the next one (I was close to being right, it is just across the border!). Again humblest apologies to both countries and the citizens of them both.
Files uploaded again...
The roundhouse at Keene, NH is real, built by the Cheshire RR and later used by the Boston & Maine. It now serves as factory outlet stores, with some new additions.
HA! And here you thought you'd never have to skip this thread again! HA HA HA!
I was looking for something else on Google Earth last night and in my befuddling way, I was spinning the earth wildly to get where I wanted to see and accidently got it to zoom in and stop on the north coast of Denmark and quite by accident there was a Turntable right in the middle of the view. So I checked and it was not on my list. I added it and then began to follow tracks around Denmark and found more than I ever expected to find there.
Here are the latest I have added to the non-U.S. list:
I do have question about 2 possibilities I found. They are, from the air, a semi-circular building and are near a rail yard or end of line, but I have no proof of them being what they appear. I am hoping someone here can provide some help with that.
I found one interesting site... the two items in Horsens (Turntable and Roundhouse) are at diagonally opposite ends of the railyard! There is no evidence of there ever being a Roundhouse at the Turntable and at the Roundhouse, there is no evidence of there ever being a Turntable to service... I am assumming that the Turntable pit at the roundhouse was filled in a long time ago. But I wonder if the turntable was moved to the other end and opposite side of the yard, but I can only speculate as to why that would be done (like, cars that needed turned were most often on the East side and it was disruptive to have to move them to the West side for turning.)
Here again are links to the two PDF files (Non-U.S. sites, and U.S. sites only) and to the Excel spreadsheet of all the data. The 2 questionable ones are included in the lists at this time and I will remove them if someone has information that they are not RR related.
Non-U.S.:
U.S:
Excel spreadsheet:
I'm pretty sure the gentleman you refer to is my grandfather, and I'm wondering if my late uncle participated in some of these posts. My grandfather was the Roundhouse Foreman in Clintonville. My mother is still living at age 95. This was her Dad, and she and I would very much enjoy seeing the article referring to grandpa. We are trying to find anything/everything about him that we can.
Your post is more than 1 1/2 yrs old so I do hope this message reaches you.
We live in Hawaii now.
Mary Lou
Can't find the total list of U.S. turntables, there is one in Belen, New Mexico, I'm sure this must be on the list.
Yes, I have one listed for Belden, NM. That is an interesting and rather rare turntable, with the high girder sides.
I just tried the links in my posting about 3 above this one and they worked for me.
One is to download a PDF file of just the Non-U.S. sites and another is to download a PDF file of just the U.S. sites. if you wish to edit these files, you will need a program that can do so, otherwise your browser should be able to display it and also allow you to search the list. Adobe Reader is free and can display them also if you wish to download the files to your computer and view the files off-line.
The 3rd link is to download an Excel spreadsheet of the two lists combined. It is useable in Microsoft's Excel and should be just as usable in the FREE "Open Office" clone of Excel (there are no macros or VBA add-ons in the file).
Hi Semper Vaporo, is this thread still going as I have only just come across it and am fascinated by the subject of steam loc sheds, depots, roundhouses, terminals, call them what you will. I am British and live on the island of Cyprus but would love to enter into a discussion on this massive worldwide, subject. I hope this works...
As far as I am concerned, all threads are capable of being "continued" by anybody at any time... I know there are people that think threads older than some imaginary time frame should be locked, but that just makes people start new threads when something new crops up on the old subject and fractionates the info.
I have not updated the afore mentioned files for quite some time, but I have stumbled upon some new sites to add to them, and maybe someday I will get the impetus to do so. I have to admit I got kind of "burned out" following RR tracks on Google Earth looking for sites to add to the lists.
If you have new info, please post it here. Maybe that will goad me into updating the lists! And when I do, I will post here that I have done so.
It might even be better that the SEARCH function worked on these forums.
Never too old to have a happy childhood!
Etowah, TN 35 19'10.54"N and 84 31'27.71"W The roundhouse is long gone and the turntable was removed in the late 80s early 90s.
Okay, that was enough goad to get me to go look and update the files.
New U.S. sites added:
New Non-U.S. site added:
Files have been updated and are available to download from:
Thanks for the input!
Rockland, Maine has an active turntable for the Maine Eastern.
Ed
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