Roundhouses and Turntables (and transfer tables)

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Posted by Bobkat525 on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 2:32 PM

Hi -  The below link from Google Maps should open in a direct overhead shot of the facility. Off the top of my head I believe its lineage to be; B&M - Rutland - Central Vermont.  If you aleready have this and it's a duplicate ... Mea Culpa.  

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  https://www.google.com/maps/place/North+Walpole,+Walpole,+NH+03609/@43.1350057,-72.4390107,102m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e1a48a600e3c25:0x443c04678f099750!8m2!3d43.1390125!4d-72.447601 

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, September 06, 2017 3:29 PM

Yeah, got that one, but you did add a second one in Brattleboro.  Thanks.

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Posted by J DANIEL MAGUIRE on Saturday, September 09, 2017 11:41 AM

Have at least 2 additions (possibly 3).

All are former Wabash and photos of the first 2 show at www.wabashrhs.org/p/historical-photos_24.html

Bluffs, Il     39.4506N -90.3225W  located north side of west end of yard near where branch goes towards Meredosia.  Couldn't find filled pit but the rubble leading to trees was the RH.

Stansberry, Mo  Could not find evidence of where the RH and TT were located.  RR has been gone for some time.  Old Moberly Division "High Line" from Kelly to Council Bluffs.

 

Springfield, Il  - 39.71053N  -89.642964W  TT and RH were located where Springfield Mass Transit District has their service facilities.  They mwere still using several stalls of the old RH in the 70's.  

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, September 11, 2017 10:08 AM

@ J Daniel...

Nice photos on the Wabash site.

Bluffs, IL.  I think I see the spot you mean, but your coordinates are 22 miles southeast of Bluffs.  ???

Stanberry, MO.  I see where a RR yard might have been, South of Railroad St and West of Alanthus Ave., but not near enough evidence in the photo or on the ground to pick a spot to enter in the database.

Springfield, IL. Your coordinates put me just outside of an interchange of I-55 and Toronto Rd, south of Springfield.  I do have a Roundhouse marked at:  

39°47'29.11"N, 89°38'35.26"W

and that is marked as the Mass Transit facility (G.E. image from 4/13/1998 shows the RH).

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Posted by J DANIEL MAGUIRE on Monday, September 11, 2017 12:48 PM
I just "love" the googlemaps accuracy of their co-ordinates. Looking at a old USGS map, it looks as if the RH was at the NW end of the yard. I am reasonably sure that there was a RH and TT at Moulton, Iowa, but cannot prove it. I am a retired safety man off of the Wab-N&W-NS.
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Posted by J DANIEL MAGUIRE on Monday, September 11, 2017 5:58 PM
Looking at some old maps on Historic Aerials, Moulton definitely has a RH and TT. The yard was on the south side of town and to the west of the main north-south highway. The Ottumwa Branch headed tp the east in the same area. The RH was gone before the 60's. Looking at the same Historical Aerials and topo maps, the Stanberry yard was in a se to nw direction with the RH and TT near the north side of the yard. I keep trying to recall where we had others, but most of the unusual locations were gone by the time in hired out in 64. Dan
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Posted by JustWonderin' on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:23 PM

Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable.  I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township.  Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock.   IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, September 13, 2017 9:33 PM

JustWonderin'
Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable.  I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township.  Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock.   IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.

Good info!  Thanks.  Corrections made.  The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).

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Posted by JustWonderin' on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:04 PM

Semper Vaporo

 

 
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Rows 478 and 479 on the U.S.A. Roundhouses tab of your spreadsheet refer to the same turntable.  I believe that the location is actually in Flat Rock, MI as opposed to Brownstown Township.  Locals certainly refer to it as Flat Rock.   IIRC that yard was originally Detroit, Toledo and Ironton; now it's CN.

 

Good info!  Thanks.  Corrections made.  The online files will be updates "soon" (but don't go holdin' yer breath!).

 

 

Confirming location.  I checked out the boundaries of the cities involved.  That yard is so big that it actually has parts in Flat Rock, Woodhaven and Brownstown Township, Michigan.   The turntable and main service shops are all within Flat Rock.  Woodhaven and Brownstown just have track.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Wednesday, September 20, 2017 9:43 PM

I have uploaded new files.

Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting.  You will get the files in the ZIP file. 

I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop.

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip

That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP.  There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.) now 20 pages each!  And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).

 

Here are links to the 3 individual files that will download:

Excel file of all the data: (Note: it is now saved as an "XLSX" file instead of a "XLS"... if this causes a problem for anyone, let me know and I will see if I can resave it in the older "XLS" format).

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xlsx 

PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf 

PDF of the U.S. locations: 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf 

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Saturday, September 23, 2017 8:58 PM

In Washington, DC there use to be double turntables west of the present one listed.  You can see them in Historic Aerials.  In 1963 both were still there; In 1980 just one still was there and you could see the other's fan; In 2002 both of the old TTs were gone, an the present TT was installed to the east.  The point where the two old TTs almost touched was 38° 55' 01.35" N  76° 59' 08.04" W

https://www.historicaerials.com/viewer

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Saturday, September 30, 2017 9:05 PM

Sometimes strange circumstances as to how I find these things...

Watching Iowa Public TV, "As Time Goes By" (British Comedy) and one of the characters mentioned getting a post card from 2 other characters that had traveled to someplace in Mongolia that was named Ooland Batar (as best as I could figure they said)... I wondered if such a place exists so I looked on Google Earth... found Ulaanbaatar is how it should be spelled and "BINGO"... looky der! 

A turntable at: 47°54'27.15"N, 106°54'41.81"E

Followed the tracks South for quite a ways and there is another one, but this time

in Ulanqab, China at: 41° 2'40.86"N, 113° 5'16.77"E

 

I'll update the on-line files soon... maybe... when I get a round tuit.

 

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Posted by MidlandMike on Thursday, November 16, 2017 9:28 PM

NY  Kingston  41.9526N 73.9920W  TT & RH Removed  Ex-NYC

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=41.9526&lon=-73.99200&z=16

There was also a U&D TT & RH at Rondout (SE of Kingston) in the area where the NY Trolley Museum is located but unsure of exact location.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, December 17, 2017 3:01 PM

I have uploaded new files.

Unfortunately, the KMZ files will still not download from my webserver, so I have left those links out of this posting.  You will get those files in the ZIP file if you want them. 

I have compressed all 5 files into one ZIP file so MAYBE everybody can download them all in one swell foop.

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/RR%20Roundhouses.zip

That should get you all 5 files at once for you to Un-ZIP.  There are 2 KMZ files to inport to your copy of Google Earth, 2 PDF files to print the two lists (U.S. & Non-U.S.).  And one Excel spreadsheet (includes both the U.S. and Non-U.S. sites).

 

Here are links to the 3 individual files that will download:

Excel file of all the data: (Note: it is now saved as an "XLSX" file instead of a "XLS"... if this causes a problem for anyone, let me know and I will see if I can resave it in the older "XLS" format).

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Roundhouse%20and%20Turntables.xlsx 

PDF of the Non-U.S. locations:

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/Non%20US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf 

PDF of the U.S. locations: 

http://1stclass.mylargescale.com/sempervaporo/Trainsdotcom/US%20Roundhouses%20and%20Turntables.pdf 

 

Come and get'em if'n ya wants 'em.  I suspect they may not exist at these locations in the not too distant future.

I also may not be updating them anymore.  I want to thank all the individuals that have contributed to these lists (both publicly here and privately in several different backchannels).

If anyone wants to take over the maintanence of these files, please post here what you are doing so others can keep their lists up-to-date with your efforts.

 

Again, thank you all for your participation in this endeavour.  :-)

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Posted by MidlandMike on Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:10 PM

I noticed on the lateat PDF of the US that there is now a column for source, however, I can no longer see notes about TT or RH

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, December 17, 2017 9:55 PM

Thanks for the heads up... I screwed that up... but now the hosting site is all screwed up, too... I see 3 identical copies of all the files... same names, same size, same date, same time... I didn't think that could happen!  I have new files to put there, but I have no idea which file you might get if you download them...

I'll work on this and see what I can do... get back to everybody later.

 

 

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Sunday, December 17, 2017 10:08 PM

Had to log-off my PC and reboot before the old files would dissappear from my system.  Stypud cornphewtors enywho!

I think it is fixed now.  The original links should get you the correct files.

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, December 18, 2017 7:19 PM

Thanks, old links work, and TT & Bldg show up.  Thanks again for hosting this comperhensive thread.

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Posted by Miningman on Monday, December 18, 2017 7:23 PM

Incredible job and a lot of dedication...it has been downloaded and saved for good. 

Have no words to express the thanks....you did a great job.

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Posted by jbeinc1 on Sunday, January 07, 2018 2:07 PM

Sounds like I may have gotten in on this discussion on the tail end but I think the C&NW roundhouse in Sheboygan, Wi. should be added.

On Google maps, if you find the UP facility at the intersection of Union Avenue and Sauk Trail Road, the round house was just south west of the small building in the area where it looks likesome signaling equipment laying on the ground.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, January 08, 2018 8:13 AM

jbeinc1

Sounds like I may have gotten in on this discussion on the tail end but I think the C&NW roundhouse in Sheboygan, Wi. should be added.

On Google maps, if you find the UP facility at the intersection of Union Avenue and Sauk Trail Road, the round house was just south west of the small building in the area where it looks likesome signaling equipment laying on the ground.

 

Would the turntable have been south of Union Ave in line with the end of 21st street?  There seems (wishful thinking?) to be a bit of a circle there in some views and in Street View that area is depressed and muddy (like a filled in pit that has settled).

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Posted by jbeinc1 on Monday, January 08, 2018 9:50 AM

I'm not exactly sure of the location, just remember seeing the roundhouse and turntable there, as a kid.  Not sure of when it was removed, possibly 30 to 40 years ago.  My father worked for Joseph Schmitt & Sons Construction (directly north across the street).  Their building was built around 1966-68 and I think the roundhouse was still there then.

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Posted by Semper Vaporo on Monday, January 08, 2018 10:59 AM

Do you happen to remember the size of the building... like about how many stalls or was it a full round building, or just 1/2, or maybe 1/4 round, or maybe just 2 or 3 stalls?  Also, was the building between the turntable and the street or the otherway around (i.e.: was the turntable visible from Union Avenue where your dad worked)?

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Posted by MidlandMike on Monday, January 08, 2018 7:50 PM

jbeinc1

Sounds like I may have gotten in on this discussion on the tail end but I think the C&NW roundhouse in Sheboygan, Wi. should be added.

On Google maps, if you find the UP facility at the intersection of Union Avenue and Sauk Trail Road, the round house was just south west of the small building in the area where it looks likesome signaling equipment laying on the ground.

 

It shows up on recent topo maps.  43.7312N 87.7332W

http://www.mytopo.com/maps/?lat=43.7313&lon=-87.73296&z=16

 

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