Another Kozzie Q popping up from Downunder...heh heh :)

[Modelcar]

Another electronic hicup...quoting myself...??

[Modelcar]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...Knew about the bunker and I caught the TV program about it not too long ago. Interesting. Yes, History channel....Discovery channel....TLC channel.....Those types of channels have the best programs. Can anyone resist Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. on Orange County Choppers....I don't even care for motorcycles but love that program....and Overhaulen is another great program...The designer on that program is superb with the designs he comes up with...and his free hand drawing is unbelievable...!

[Modelcar]

...Knew about the bunker and I caught the TV program about it not too long ago. Interesting. Yes, History channel....Discovery channel....TLC channel.....Those types of channels have the best programs. Can anyone resist Paul Sr. and Paul Jr. on Orange County Choppers....I don't even care for motorcycles but love that program....and Overhaulen is another great program...The designer on that program is superb with the designs he comes up with...and his free hand drawing is unbelievable...!

[coalminer3]

Amtrak 50 and 51 stop at White Sulphur - Greenbrier is across the street from the depot. BTW, the bunker was a tourist attraction until recently. IIRC, the local paper said it was being shut down for awhile for construction at the hotel.

work safe

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Overmod

The Congressional bunker was shut down in the 1990s (when its existence stopped being a secret). There was a recent TV program (IIRC one of the 'Modern Marvels' series) that described it.

Ah, another History Channel watcher? That's one of my favorite channels!
At least we learn from it.[:)]

[Overmod]

The Congressional bunker was shut down in the 1990s (when its existence stopped being a secret). There was a recent TV program (IIRC one of the 'Modern Marvels' series) that described it.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

Locomutt....Yes, I am aware of that and in fact have looked at the Greenbrier site on the CSX web site several years ago...Pretty extensive info on it about the complex, etc...If I remember correctly, quite a few good photos of the area....

Thanks for the support,If I remember correctly,Congress has an underground
bunker there.That is a great location.I have several photos from that area.[:)]

[Modelcar]

Locomutt....Yes, I am aware of that and in fact have looked at the Greenbrier site on the CSX web site several years ago...Pretty extensive info on it about the complex, etc...If I remember correctly, quite a few good photos of the area....

[Overmod]

Several Garratts were used in passenger service. The most notable, imho, being the streamlined 'double Pacifics' in Algeria just before WW II. This is surely on the short list of contenders of fastest articulated steam locomotive ever built. South and East Africa are also likely to produce passenger examples, as is (I think) Java or somewhere close by. There is a Garratt site that has pix of many types of engine; presence of trailing passenger cars in pictures would help answer the question.

I believe the NZR's infamous Garratts were intended as dual-service engines, and were certainly used on some passenger trains.

[Modelcar]

Dave just mentioned Peter in above post and I was just thinking today we've not heard anything from the 2nd Australian fellow lately....

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...Would the White Sulphur Springs stop be the small depot adjacent to the great Greenbrier Hotel....If so I had a chance to stop there back 10 years or so ago and look around. A nice little depot at a fabulus resort. Believe I was passing near by on I-64.

You do know that the C&O actually owns the Greenbrier,don't you[?][:)]

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

What would have been either Huntington or Clifton Forge, Kozzie.
But more than likely, I think it would have been Clifton Forge.[:)]

Walt - thanks for that. Calling on your patience, but Clifton Forge for one terminus. What as the other one?

Dave

Kozzie,
That would have been Huntington,or Hinton,W.Va.[:)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by CSSHEGEWISCH

Dave:
I'm going to turn the question around. Have Garratts ever been used in passenger service, either in Australia or elsewhere?

Paul

Paul - a very good question. [:)] I'll do some digging and let you know! I would be surprised if they did. Peter (M636C) would know for sure, but I haven't ehard from him lately on the Forum. [;)]

Dave

[Modelcar]

Dave....Have run across some info indicating the B&O did use EM-1's in passenger service up until 1947. Was looking through my "B&O Thunder In The Alleghenies" book and found that info.
Overmod.....Thanks for conformation. Yes, I can understand why they frowned on smoke in that immediate area.

[CSSHEGEWISCH]

Dave:
I'm going to turn the question around. Have Garratts ever been used in passenger service, either in Australia or elsewhere?

Paul

[Overmod]

Modelcar -- you're right about White Sulphur Springs. This also explains why smoke regulations were rigidly dictated in this area... and in part why 2-6-6-2s were required on some "local" trains. (One would suspect the presence of relatively heavy private cars!)

Be interesting to hear some actual experience from C&O crew or fans familiar with this.

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

Dave....Did you have a chance to look at the Johnstown Incline Plane web site, and if so...what do you think...

Quentin - Thanks for the web stie info - I googled with Johnstown Incline Plane and I did get to that site. What a fantastic view from the lookout! Like being in a plane!

Does that degree of incline even beat the European cog railways such as those in Switzerland?

Dave

p.s. has anyone heard from drephpe lately? I miss his dry witty comments....

[Modelcar]

Dave....Did you have a chance to look at the Johnstown Incline Plane web site, and if so...what do you think...

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

What would have been either Huntington or Clifton Forge, Kozzie.
But more than likely, I think it would have been Clifton Forge.[:)]

Walt - thanks for that. Calling on your patience, but Clifton Forge for one terminus. What as the other one?

Dave

[Modelcar]

...Would the White Sulphur Springs stop be the small depot adjacent to the great Greenbrier Hotel....If so I had a chance to stop there back 10 years or so ago and look around. A nice little depot at a fabulus resort. Believe I was passing near by on I-64.

[locomutt]

What would have been either Huntington or Clifton Forge, Kozzie.
But more than likely, I think it would have been Clifton Forge.[:)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by cherokee woman

Kozzie, I'm writing for Walt.

He says, "yes, all the H series up to H-6 were 2-6-6-2s. All the H series were articu-
lated. H-1 thru H-6s were 2-6-6-2s; H7s were 2-8-8-2s and H8 (the Allegheny) was
2-6-6-6.

It's hard to remember the passenger cars, cause it's been so long, but some of
them were good old standard passenger cars (heavy weights) and some were the Budd passenger cars (lightweights).
cars.[:)]

Paula - thanks for the info [:)][;)]

drephpe must be away or on holidays, as he would have "smelled a rat" by now..[;)][:)] heh heh...... I must admit, I do have a Spectrum HO 2-6-6-2 on lay-by (modeller's life line [:0] ) and I was hoping that I was able to do more than run freight cars behind it.

Mark said earlier that he had a David Plowden photo of a C&O 2-6-6-2 preparing to depart White Sulphur Springs on a local passenger train.

What would have been the terminals for that service?

Dave

[cherokee woman]

Kozzie, I'm writing for Walt.

He says, "yes, all the H series up to H-6 were 2-6-6-2s. All the H series were articu-
lated. H-1 thru H-6s were 2-6-6-2s; H7s were 2-8-8-2s and H8 (the Allegheny) was
2-6-6-6.

It's hard to remember the passenger cars, cause it's been so long, but some of
them were good old standard passenger cars (heavy weights) and some were the Budd passenger cars (lightweights).
cars.[:)]

[Kozzie]

QUOTE: Originally posted by locomutt

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie

Were the articulated steam locos ever used for regular passenger services, or any at all...or were they really only used for freight haulage? [:)][;)]

(I'm always on the lookout for something diferent in the passenger train world..heh heh [;)] and I suspect an articulated steam loco hauling passenegr cars would be a bit unusual...???[:0][;)][;)])

Hope y'all are having a great Summer [8D]

Cheers [:)][;)]

Dave [:)]

I think the C & O used the H-4,H-5,H6 class(2-6-6-2) a few times.
And I'm 99% sure they didn't use the Alleghenies(H-8 2-6-6-6)[:)]

Walt, Mark, anyone, what sort of passengers cars would have been used behinf the C&O 2-6-6-2s/

Walt, when you say, H4, H5 and H6 classes - were they all 2-6-6-2s?

Dave

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

...My error on TI and even Q class not quailfying as articulateds..and now thinking back and wondering how they negotiated around curves with a rigid frame...Don't see how they could have eliminated flanges [on some of the wheels], on the drive design of say the T1's....

I believe that they did have blind drivers.[:)]

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by M.W. Hemphill

Locomutt: Come to think of it, you're right: For three years I had on my desk a David Plowden photo of a C&O 2-6-6-2 preparing to depart White Sulphur Springs on a local passenger train.

Overmod: You're correct about early SP cab-forwards being designed for and used on passenger trains. They did not last long in that service, however. These were the smaller cab-forwards, not the big ones that dominated the fleet.

Mark, thank you;
You do know that engineers were forbidden to make black smoke through
White Sulpher Springs.
At least to the best of my knoweledge,C&O didn't use the H-7's (2-8-8-2's)for passenger
service;They did pull some freights,but the best recollection,is helper service
at Limeville,and hump service at Russell.[:)]

And remember C&O sold UP about 25 of those critters.[:)]

[espeefoamer]

SPs cab forwards were common in helper service on passenger trains in the Tehachapis and over Donner Pass.UP commonly used Challengers (4-6-6-4s) on passenger trains.Near the end of steam,SP ran a fantrip behind a cab forward over Donner Pass.

[locomutt]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Kozzie

Were the articulated steam locos ever used for regular passenger services, or any at all...or were they really only used for freight haulage? [:)][;)]

(I'm always on the lookout for something diferent in the passenger train world..heh heh [;)] and I suspect an articulated steam loco hauling passenegr cars would be a bit unusual...???[:0][;)][;)])

Hope y'all are having a great Summer [8D]

Cheers [:)][;)]

Dave [:)]

I think the C & O used the H-4,H-5,H6 class(2-6-6-2) a few times.
And I'm 99% sure they didn't use the Alleghenies(H-8 2-6-6-6)[:)]

[Modelcar]

...My error on TI and even Q class not quailfying as articulateds..and now thinking back and wondering how they negotiated around curves with a rigid frame...Don't see how they could have eliminated flanges [on some of the wheels], on the drive design of say the T1's....