Paul_D_North_Jr Modelcar: Since some are relating {orig. RR to highway}, we'll list one: US route 30 {Lincoln Highway}, uses the old ROW just west of Idlewild Park, near Ligonier, Pa., of the Ligonier Valley RR. It was abandoned with the last run Aug. 1952, The west bound lanes, use that ROW for several miles approaching Latrobe area. Would the segments of the 1930's Pennsylvania Turnpike (now I-76) west of Harrisburg that use portions of the 'stillborn' South Pennsylvania RR qualify for this list ? (Took me waaay too long to think of that one, until prompted by Quentin's post above . . . ) - Paul North. When I started the topic I meant "roads once used for cars, trucks, semis" turned into rail lines.
Modelcar: Since some are relating {orig. RR to highway}, we'll list one: US route 30 {Lincoln Highway}, uses the old ROW just west of Idlewild Park, near Ligonier, Pa., of the Ligonier Valley RR. It was abandoned with the last run Aug. 1952, The west bound lanes, use that ROW for several miles approaching Latrobe area.
It was abandoned with the last run Aug. 1952, The west bound lanes, use that ROW for several miles approaching Latrobe area.
Would the segments of the 1930's Pennsylvania Turnpike (now I-76) west of Harrisburg that use portions of the 'stillborn' South Pennsylvania RR qualify for this list ? (Took me waaay too long to think of that one, until prompted by Quentin's post above . . . )
- Paul North.
When I started the topic I meant "roads once used for cars, trucks, semis" turned into rail lines.
Modeling the "Fargo Area Rapid Transit" in O scale 3 rail.
Didn't see it mentioned, but the road to Key West used a lot of bridges and roadway of a hurricane devastated railroad.
Most of that has been replaced, though.
Paul_D_North_Jr Modelcar: Since some are relating {orig. RR to highway}, we'll list one: US route 30 {Lincoln Highway}, uses the old ROW just west of Idlewild Park, near Ligonier, Pa., of the Ligonier Valley RR. It was abandoned with the last run Aug. 1952, The west bound lanes, use that ROW for several miles approaching Latrobe area. Would the segments of the 1930's Pennsylvania Turnpike (now I-76) west of Harrisburg that use portions of the 'stillborn' South Pennsylvania RR qualify for this list ? (Took me waaay too long to think of that one, until prompted by Quentin's post above . . . ) - Paul North.
Well Paul, I believe it would. A short stretch of it near Somerset might. The reason I note this would be: From the Quemahoning tunnel, east towards Somerset....that section of the {not finished South Penn}, was actually finished and used by the PW&S for a short distance towards Somerset, and I believe it was a section that the {much later Turnpike}, would be very close to directly locate on....
Quentin
Murray Don't forget "Ibid and "OpCit"
I think I have my Bedford handbook around here somewhere.
Not using it much as of late...
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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Don't forget "Ibid and "OpCit"
And yes...I still haver my copy of Turabian's "Manual for Writer's of Research Papers, Theses and Dissertations"....
henry6 Actually what I reported has been reported and talked about here and elsehwere, reported in the history books of the railroads mentioned as well as parts of newspaper and (fan) magazine articles that it really doesn't need any more acreditation. But I am makeing a point thanks to you...there has to be a creditable reference resource or else its just an old fart practicing the passing of gas.
Actually what I reported has been reported and talked about here and elsehwere, reported in the history books of the railroads mentioned as well as parts of newspaper and (fan) magazine articles that it really doesn't need any more acreditation. But I am makeing a point thanks to you...there has to be a creditable reference resource or else its just an old fart practicing the passing of gas.
Ya know, if this forum starts reading like the "works cited" page of a graduate thesis.. I am out of here.
Modelcar Since some are relating {orig. RR to highway}, we'll list one: US route 30 {Lincoln Highway}, uses the old ROW just west of Idlewild Park, near Ligonier, Pa., of the Ligonier Valley RR. It was abandoned with the last run Aug. 1952, The west bound lanes, use that ROW for several miles approaching Latrobe area.
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henry6 I've been told nobody want to be referred to books or other resources....that what is said on the internet is the last word in truth. Therefore no cititations are needed.
I've been told nobody want to be referred to books or other resources....that what is said on the internet is the last word in truth. Therefore no cititations are needed.
No one said that precisely, Henry -- you seem far too much of a gentleman to get pissy (if you'll excuse the expression).
henry6 Yes, RTI80 through the Gap is on the roadbed of the old NYS&W but the highway also uses the former DL&W Boonton Line east of Mt. View in the area of the Falls....it was part of the deal that NJ and the Feds would allow the merger of DL&W and E to the EL. To the north and west, NY made a similar deal with Rt 17 Southern Tier Expressway west of Vestal to Elmira where the DL&W was abandoned in favor of the Erie route on the otherside of the river. In places the highway is on the former DL&W roadbed and in others at least on the right of way. Basically the roadbed from Vestal to Nichols, then through Waverly, and then along side the ROW from the Chemung River throuth Lowman to Church St. Elmira. Over to Big Flats it runs on the DL&W ROW and roadbed throught Corning. (Initially it was on the Erie ROW in this area but when Rte17 was built around Corning instead of thru, the highway and the railroad changed ROW's). I am sure there are other locations throughout the country where similar situations presented themselves for major roads and many more for smaller back and side roads.
Yes, RTI80 through the Gap is on the roadbed of the old NYS&W but the highway also uses the former DL&W Boonton Line east of Mt. View in the area of the Falls....it was part of the deal that NJ and the Feds would allow the merger of DL&W and E to the EL. To the north and west, NY made a similar deal with Rt 17 Southern Tier Expressway west of Vestal to Elmira where the DL&W was abandoned in favor of the Erie route on the otherside of the river. In places the highway is on the former DL&W roadbed and in others at least on the right of way. Basically the roadbed from Vestal to Nichols, then through Waverly, and then along side the ROW from the Chemung River throuth Lowman to Church St. Elmira. Over to Big Flats it runs on the DL&W ROW and roadbed throught Corning. (Initially it was on the Erie ROW in this area but when Rte17 was built around Corning instead of thru, the highway and the railroad changed ROW's).
I am sure there are other locations throughout the country where similar situations presented themselves for major roads and many more for smaller back and side roads.
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Since some are relating {orig. RR to highway}, we'll list one: US route 30 {Lincoln Highway}, uses the old ROW just west of Idlewild Park, near Ligonier, Pa., of the Ligonier Valley RR.
wow what a blonde moment, completely backwards, sorry.
If you've ever traveled interstate 80 thru the delaware water gap, on the jersey side, you've traveled the old susquehanna right of way.
Newark NJ City Subway uses part of the Morris and Essex Canal, if I remember correctly it's from Warren St to Orange St
http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/Newark/Subway/
http://web.presby.edu/~jtbell/transit/images/Newark/Subway/Norfolk.jpg
The Norfolk Street station is in an open cut, the former bed of the Morris Canal.
I remember my brother telling me Sacramento's light rail used a started but not completed interstate highway, and it sure looked like it when I rode it in the early 1990's
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Line_%28Sacramento_RT%29
The first light rail line of the RT opened March 12, 1987... The line was built mainly using a railroad right-of-way, coupled with use of structures of an abandoned freeway project.
The first light rail line of the RT opened March 12, 1987...
The line was built mainly using a railroad right-of-way, coupled with use of structures of an abandoned freeway project.
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The Milwaukee Electric relocated one of its lines onto an abandoned highway somewhere around 1930.
.....I suspect turning highway ROWs into railroad ROWs, happens, but not much. Engineering qualifications set for highways, much of the time would not be suitable for rail lines.
Canals....{the route}, I'd think would have been a much better transfer to Railroad use....
I'm referring to grades, curvatures, etc....
Boyd I know the paths of RR lines have been turned into roads for cars and trucks in Hawaii, Florida Keys and others, but what about the other way around,, as in pavement to RR track?
I know the paths of RR lines have been turned into roads for cars and trucks in Hawaii, Florida Keys and others, but what about the other way around,, as in pavement to RR track?
Don't know about any contemporary conversions but in the early days of railroad construction it was not uncommon for railroad companies to buy up canal companies and privately operated turnpikes for use as rights of way. The New Haven & Northampton Canal became the New Haven & Northampton Railroad (aka the Canal Line) and the Providence & Worcester built along the path of the Blackstone Canal. Other companies bought all or portions of turnpikes just to avoid battles over crossings.
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