artschlosser Gee, Paul (of Covington), don't tell me you're and Arthur Godfrey fan!
Gee, Paul (of Covington), don't tell me you're and Arthur Godfrey fan!
I remember listening to Arthur Godfrey on the radio a few years ago, but I remember Hoagy Carmichael singing it. Cracked me up the first time I heard it. In case the young ones are interested:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h_QfAzJP2Zo&NR=1
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Murray BaltACD: Didn't the USSR which spanned 7 time zones observe only Moscow time in the country? There were (and still are) 11 time zones in Russia (former Soviet Union).
BaltACD: Didn't the USSR which spanned 7 time zones observe only Moscow time in the country?
Didn't the USSR which spanned 7 time zones observe only Moscow time in the country?
There were (and still are) 11 time zones in Russia (former Soviet Union).
IIRC even though there were multiple time zones across Russia the Trans Siberian Express operated on Moscow time over its entire route.
BaltACD Didn't the USSR which spanned 7 time zones observe only Moscow time in the country?
I thought Russia had time zones but China, also quite large, has but one.
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Time is relative...
There was an old clock maker in a town that had been there for years and was now retiring and closing the shop. He had noted over the many years he was there that a certain man always stopped at the shop window in the early morning and adjusted his watch to the clocks in the window. This had always impressed the clockmaker and on the last day he was opened he stopped the man to express his feelings about the regular event and to apoligize that the clocks would no longer be there for him to set his watch by.
As a consolation he offered that he had always set the clocks in the window by the noon whistle from the nearby factory and that maybe the man could use that signal to set his watch.
The man replied that he was the man that blew the whistle and that was why he always made sure to set his watch every morning to the clocks in the shop.
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artschlosser: "huggin' and a chalkin'"
Ahh, someone else remembers that song!
If you were around during WW2, we had a double whammy. I think they called it War Time, plus daylight savings time. War time was year around, daylight time added another hour just in the summer.
In Chicago during the summer, the sun didn't set until 10pm! Student nurses had to be back at the dorm by 10 pm; Not much huggin' and a chalkin'.
Confuse people? Really? if people get tripped up by DST, then they shouldn't leave the house unsupervised.
I am working days for the time being. I like the fact that it gets dark at 8-9pm vs. 7-8pm. I'll gladly trade driving to work before the sun rises for being able to enjoy the daylight after work. And since I don't get to set what times the jobs go to work... just can't believe that DST is so controversial to some.
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
The opinions expressed here represent my own and not those of my employer, any other railroad, company, or person.t fun any
You are NOT moving daylight anywhere. You are moving the hands on the clock and nothing more. It would be just as easy to say "our office is going to open earlier for a couple of months. That is, after all, exactly what you are doing, whether or not you reset the clocks. Absolutely nothing is accomplished by moving the hands on the clock except to confuse people on the first Monday after it is done and to cause a lot of work resetting all the clocks and calculating the hours worked for the people whose shift encompasses the time of the change. Do they get an hour of overtime in the fall? Do they get docked an hour in the spring? There is absolutely no reason for work to be done during certain clock hours. You are not gaining or losing a single minute of daylight. You are not saving a single electron of energy.
Dave
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How do you figure that moving the hands on your clock saves energy? You do realize that you are not actually changing time, don't you?
-You're not changing time, but you're taking an hour of daylight from earlier and moving it later. Most people are still asleep earlier and wouldn't be able to use that daylight in ways they'd like (and they'd have trouble sleeping with it being that bright out). This basically just moves it to evening when everybody wanst it and can make good use of it. And as for saving energy, think off all that lighting you'd otherwise be using to do your stuff outdoors after dark-well, there's an hour of that energy saved through this means.
Arizona, Hawaii and the American territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and America Samoa don't observe Daylight Savings Time
-Of course not, They're weird. They don't "get it". Besides, in those places, it's pretty mught light around the clock, so why would they need to?
Zardoz, I actually like that thought of shifting the times to keep pace with the daylight. Too bad people wouldn't be able to adjust to that very well. Funny about the months, BTW.
Regarding old railroads, their "time zones" were a joke. Have 2 towns literally "10 minutes" apart. Phh...good thing they finally figured out to go on a standard time.
As for the electricity thing, the savings should be pretty clear, but that doesn't mean that more electricity wouldn't be consumed, just that with DST, less electricity is being used than would otherwise be. In winter, you're stuck indoors playing with toys and stuff...other than heating, the only electric use is lighting (basically). In warmer periods, you're out doing stuff. Along with everybody else. Naturally, all types of energy use would soar as soon as this point is reached. I'm not even going to get into that, but it doesn't take much thought to see why. DST wouldn't work everywhere, but for the USA, I'm fine with it and think it's great overall. And I do prefer the new times to switch over the old ones, though devices used to the old ones don't like it : )
ChuckCobleigh Modelcar: I'm thinking WWII was the era to apply DST..... WWI in 1915 in Europe. And their scheme was even odder, over a three week interval, adding 20 minutes to the clock each week in April or May (approximately) for a total of 80 minutes. It was not well received in England and Scotland.
Modelcar: I'm thinking WWII was the era to apply DST.....
I'm thinking WWII was the era to apply DST.....
WWI in 1915 in Europe. And their scheme was even odder, over a three week interval, adding 20 minutes to the clock each week in April or May (approximately) for a total of 80 minutes. It was not well received in England and Scotland.
Also, a study carried out in Indiana a few years ago showed that more electricity is consumed during DST than during standard time. Has anyone of you ever seen numbers that show how much electricity is saved during DST? I know that the claim is made, but I have never seen any report that tells us how much.
Johnny
Same phenomenon can be observed in teenagers and college students . . .
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zardoz I would hereby like to officially propose that the United States adopt a second time-shifing each season. On June 21 (or 22, whichever is the official start of astronomical summer each year), the clocks be set ahead yet another hour, because a 5am sunrise is still too early. We could call this "Evening Saving Time". Then on September 21 (or 22....) the clocks be set back to "Ordinary Daylight Saving Time". Or better yet, perhaps each month we could set the clocks back or forward 1/2 hour, to better keep pace with the original philosophy. And since many poeple in the northern hemisphere do not like the months of January and February, I hereby propose to shorten each of those months to only two weeks each. Then December and March could be lenghened to three weeks each; November and April to four weeks; October and May to five weeks; and June, July, August, and September to six weeks each.
I would hereby like to officially propose that the United States adopt a second time-shifing each season. On June 21 (or 22, whichever is the official start of astronomical summer each year), the clocks be set ahead yet another hour, because a 5am sunrise is still too early. We could call this "Evening Saving Time". Then on September 21 (or 22....) the clocks be set back to "Ordinary Daylight Saving Time". Or better yet, perhaps each month we could set the clocks back or forward 1/2 hour, to better keep pace with the original philosophy.
And since many poeple in the northern hemisphere do not like the months of January and February, I hereby propose to shorten each of those months to only two weeks each. Then December and March could be lenghened to three weeks each; November and April to four weeks; October and May to five weeks; and June, July, August, and September to six weeks each.
The 30 minute shift sounds too political
A broken clock will still be right hopefully twice a day?
Move the Greenwich Observatory to Greenwich Village?
Phoebe Vet OK, I understand now. You are incapable of getting up an hour earlier unless you move the clock hands to fool yourself into thinking that it is actually later than it really is.
OK, I understand now. You are incapable of getting up an hour earlier unless you move the clock hands to fool yourself into thinking that it is actually later than it really is.
Man, around here, that inability is regardless of how the clocks are set. Of course, that is a retirement thing, I guess.
Modelcar I'm thinking WWII was the era to apply DST.....
ChuckCobleigh Actually, to get this a little OT vis a vis railroads, I recall that time zones (standard time) were the product of the railroads in the 19th century. Of course, I believe they had nothing to do with Daylight Savings Time.
Actually, to get this a little OT vis a vis railroads, I recall that time zones (standard time) were the product of the railroads in the 19th century. Of course, I believe they had nothing to do with Daylight Savings Time.
Quentin
Something like that. Of course, it wouldn't do any good to get up an hour earlier if everyone you had to do business with didn't....
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tree68 One of the issues with standard time is that the time zones are an hour wide - each 15 degrees wide (about 1000 miles at the equator). This puts standard time at odds with "sun time" (the "standard" before standard time). Triviea - Thomas Edison wore a watch with two sets of hands - one for standard time, and one for "sun" time... As has been mentioned, not a lot of people care if the sun comes up at 0430. Most probably don't rise until 0600, give or take. I know, your Aunt Millie gets up before the birds every morning, but she's the exception any more. So we move 0600 to a point a little earlier in the solar day, to take advantage of that free sunlight, meaning we can turn off the lights in our houses. That has some advantage, but the real money saver comes later. Of course, that also means we've got an extra hour of daylight in the evening, so we don't have to turn our lights on as early, saving electricity and all that entails. This is more important in the northern regions, where total darkness in the summertime doesn't come until after 2100. In Arizona, it really does get dark earlier, so DST doesn't really do a lot for them.
One of the issues with standard time is that the time zones are an hour wide - each 15 degrees wide (about 1000 miles at the equator). This puts standard time at odds with "sun time" (the "standard" before standard time). Triviea - Thomas Edison wore a watch with two sets of hands - one for standard time, and one for "sun" time...
As has been mentioned, not a lot of people care if the sun comes up at 0430. Most probably don't rise until 0600, give or take. I know, your Aunt Millie gets up before the birds every morning, but she's the exception any more.
So we move 0600 to a point a little earlier in the solar day, to take advantage of that free sunlight, meaning we can turn off the lights in our houses. That has some advantage, but the real money saver comes later.
Of course, that also means we've got an extra hour of daylight in the evening, so we don't have to turn our lights on as early, saving electricity and all that entails.
This is more important in the northern regions, where total darkness in the summertime doesn't come until after 2100. In Arizona, it really does get dark earlier, so DST doesn't really do a lot for them.
Observations:
Since my wife and and I are both retired, we ease into the time changes ten minutes a day the week before the official change from standard to stupid and from stupid to standard; however, we do not change the clocks (except for the alarm clock and the furnace thermostat clock) until Satuday night (we avoid getting up at two in the morning).
The Arizona legislature was the only intelligent legislature some 45 years ago. When I was working, I had occasions to talk with suppliers in Arizona as well as others in the Mountain time zone. I simply remembered that those in Arizona still worked on Denver time (Denver is on the meridian for Mountain time) whereas I then had to work on New Orleans time (New Orleans is on the meridian for Central time).
There have been great shifts in time zone boundaries since the adoption of standard time zones (notably that between the Eastern and Central zones); Originally all of Florida, Tennessee, Kentucky, and Michigan and much of Ohio were in the Central zone. In 1919, when my parents went (by train) from Virginia to Tampa right after they were married, they changed their watches in Columbia, S. C.
For those who complain about early sunrise just be in Boston or Maine without DST. One reason Nova Scotia (who is on Atlantic standard time even one hour earlier) has often wanted to go on Eastern time. Sun rises o dark 30.
The other item is the west coast. Los Angles even at summer soltice DST sun sets about 1930. I have often proposed that the Pacific time zone be eliminated there and join with the Mountain time zone.
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I believe there are also a few counties in Indiana, and some other "borderline" or extended-distance places, which do not observe Daylight Savings Time.
In 2007 the dates for the time change were changed. That is why some devices change the time automatically on the wrong date.
Arizona, Hawaii and the American territories of Puerto Rico, Guam, the Virgin Islands, and America Samoa don't observe Daylight Savings Time.
Regarding the auto-changes at the wrong times, I think quite a few things run on the "classic" time changes. I know my computer does. There is an option to deselect the check box to automatically update for DST, so I do this myself when the time is right-no more of that confusion. other devices, depending on how they're setup, may or may not allow you to stop their auto-updates. Try looking into instruction manuals to see what to do, if there's anything that you can.
As for VCRs, they will record digital TV-you must hook your DTV convertor to your VCR, and then your VCR's output cable to the Tv to accomplish this. Or, if you just have a recent TV that automatically does digital, and you don't have a convertor for your VCR, then, yeah, it's just for tapes now. VCRs may or may not updates the clocks, depending on how old they are and their setup.
ChuckCobleigh kolechovski: There are all kinds of clocks all over the place that need reset to the current time-this happens every time change. Every time change, I am astounded by the number of clocks I have to change. One point is truly a (you should pardon the expression) a sign of the times) and the other point is that I can't remember that we have so many clocks after six months. I always figure that if I get them all done by Memorial Day, I'm doing pretty well.
kolechovski: There are all kinds of clocks all over the place that need reset to the current time-this happens every time change.
There are all kinds of clocks all over the place that need reset to the current time-this happens every time change.
Every time change, I am astounded by the number of clocks I have to change. One point is truly a (you should pardon the expression) a sign of the times) and the other point is that I can't remember that we have so many clocks after six months. I always figure that if I get them all done by Memorial Day, I'm doing pretty well.
I noticed that my computers that are on Windows 7 changed the time automatically and unlike previous versions of Winders they did not ask if it was okay to do so... they just did it.
However my cell phone, which in the past (same phone!) has updated a few hours late, this time it did not update at all in a couple of days, so I had to do it manually. I have no clue as to why.
When I retired, the 1st morning, I got to do to that clock radio what I had been wanting to do for 40 years and I did! So... even though that was quite cathartic, I had to go out and purchase a new clock for the bedroom.
The one I picked out advertised on the box that I would never have to adjust it for DST. I thought that was wonderful and paid a bit extra for this clock-radio. I thought it said it would set it according to the WWV radio time transmission, but since I no longer have the box I can't prove it.
However, the first spring when DST kicked in, the clock did not update. I gave it a couple of days and gave up and changed it myself. Then about a week later, I had to reset it back one hour to account for the fact that it finally got around to setting the time ahead. Then the next Autumn, I again had to change it manually, only to have to undo my action about a week later when it did an additional change. After a couple of years of this happening, I just gave up and let it alone and it will update the time from 1 to 2 weeks late every Spring and Autumn. And I have learned to not pay much attention to that clock.
Like you, I often find a clock a few months later that I have forgotten about and have to change it then.
The furnace thermostat needs its clock adjusted. The car's clock and the microwave do to.
I don't worry about the VCR anymore, since it won't record Digital TV it is shut off unless I am playing a VHS tape.
The one I have to be careful of is the stove clock, since the time is set using the same mechanical knobs that set the timer to turn the oven on at some later time. If I am not careful it will remain in the Time-to-ON mode and it will keep the oven from working until that timer expires... nothing like putting diner in the oven and it won't heat up and I can't figure out why... Came close to going out to buy a new stove once just because the timer had not expired to allow the oven to turn on!
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