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Phoebe Vet People who are afraid will tolerate any indignity if it makes them less afraid. Fear is a strong motivator. That's why terrorism works. Americans are very easily frightened. Obviously you are more afraid than I am, because I will NOT tolerate the security play at the airport. In the words of President Franklin D. Roosevelt: “The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”.
People who are afraid will tolerate any indignity if it makes them less afraid. Fear is a strong motivator. That's why terrorism works. Americans are very easily frightened.
Obviously you are more afraid than I am, because I will NOT tolerate the security play at the airport.
In the words of President Franklin D. Roosevelt: “The Only Thing We Have to Fear Is Fear Itself”.
Maybe if we didn't have bullheaded Americans like you the Twin Towers would still be standing.
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Phoebe Vet Obviously you are more afraid than I am, because I will NOT tolerate the security play at the airport.
Let me know the next time you fly. I want to watch the news that night...
I don't think it's fear for most people. But rather they have just accepted the security thing as a condition of wanting to fly commercially. A slight difference...
It's been fun. But it isn't much fun anymore. Signing off for now.
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From what I have heard, it seems that maybe over 65% of Americans don’t see what is such a big deal about the searches and pat downs. But the issues of personal privacy and modesty are only on the very surface of this topic. There are much deeper issues that the 65% fail to see. Perhaps that is the most worrisome aspect of all.
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Phoebe Vet Please publish a list of terrorists caught at TSA airport screening stations in all the years they have been doing this.
Please publish a list of terrorists caught at TSA airport screening stations in all the years they have been doing this.
Please publish a list of all terrrorists that did not attack an airliner because of TSA airport screening. You can't, but I bet there are some out there.
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inch53 Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling or X-ray exposure
Here's a solution to all the controversy over full-body scanners. Have a booth that you can step into that will not X-ray you, but will detonate any explosive device you may have on you. It would be a win-win for everyone, and there would be none of this crap about racial profiling or X-ray exposure
Your "booth" would not even necessarily have to be for real -- just well-publicized, with maybe a faked incident or two.
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Jack_S I also object to the pointlessness of it all. They need to copy what El Al does and have done with it. They can forget about hijackers with knives and guns. After Flight 93 no one is going to successfully hijack a plane in the USA.
I also object to the pointlessness of it all. They need to copy what El Al does and have done with it. They can forget about hijackers with knives and guns. After Flight 93 no one is going to successfully hijack a plane in the USA.
I agree the El Al approach is superior. However, I question the applicability of it to this country's situation. Where is the world could you find the 60,000 replacements (that is the current TSA workforce) who are both mentally qualified to perform the screening and willing to work in a federal bureaucracy? Alternatively, do you believe the current workforce could be retrained to become effective screeners?
I think we are all assuming the very nature of a railroad precludes applying airport style security measures to rail and subway. That means that the defense against a bomber is almost exclusively the strength of our intelligence operations. Our intelligence operations certainly were not that good prior to 9-11. Do we believe they are now? If so, how do you explain the Detroit bomber's presence on an airliner? Or is the bottom line here that we are willing to lose a rail car of people but not lose the same number in an airliner?
I grew up in an orphanage for boys. 10 years of, basically, barracks living (group showers, toilet rooms with no dividers, etc.) left me with very little body shyness. A normal life brought some of that lost shyness back, but serious illness since 1999 has made me young again in that aspect. I don't care who sees my body. If they don't like it they can look aside.
What I object to about the TSA is the hassle involved. I don't walk very well, so I need to go through TSA in a wheelchair. This is OK in some places but not in others. And the entire routine exhausts me.
They should worry only about bombs and bomb materials. So, where are the dogs? A good sized troop of dogs in each airport would do the trick. They are much better at detecting explosives than human operators.. I saw somewhere that the Russians have bred a dog breed specifically for sniffing out bombs. They are quite rare but that can be overcome.
Jack
tbdanny . Also, it's my understanding that the Fourth Amendment to your constitution only exempts border security searches - which would mean that the 'scanner or pat-down' searches without reasonable cause on domestic flights would be a violation?
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Also, it's my understanding that the Fourth Amendment to your constitution only exempts border security searches - which would mean that the 'scanner or pat-down' searches without reasonable cause on domestic flights would be a violation?
From the 4th Amendment:
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
The border exemption is the result of Congress passing legislation to interpret what is "reasonable" under the Constitution. The issue of scanner or pat down searches performed without any cause is very hot button here right now -- and rational people are on both sides of the question of its being constitutional.
The situation may very well change by the time of your visit. For now, however, you should expect to be groped/imaged on all domestic flights. As of now, the security theatre has not extended to trains.
Sam1 tbdanny: Hi, I've been following this debate with interest, as my fiancee and I are planning a honeymoon to the United States in September next year. We'll be travelling by train from Los Angeles to Chicago - this was always part of the plan, as I used to model the ATSF and this is the old Cajon Pass route. We'll probably end up flying between Chicago and New York, then from New York back to LA for the flight to Australia, but now we have an idea of the worst to expect when flying within the USA. We may not have a choice, but we'll be prepared to tolerate it. Especially after seeing articles like this one. Also, it's my understanding that the Fourth Amendment to your constitution only exempts border security searches - which would mean that the 'scanner or pat-down' searches without reasonable cause on domestic flights would be a violation? Cheers, tbdanny No worries! By the time you get here the TSA and the carriers will have worked the snags out of the screening processes. They always have a few glitches when they implement new technology or procedures. And the American press, believe it or not, tends to take exceptions and blow them out of proportion. Many people take a few isolated instances and generalize them to the population as a whole. Of course, in most instances, there is no logical reason to do so. Come to think of it, that may happen on Train's forums from time to time. LA to Chicago on the Southwest Chief is a good ride. I did it in May of this year from Chicago to LA. I enjoyed every minute of it. If time permits, I recommend that you take the Capitol Limited from Chicago to Washington, D.C. and the Acela from Washington to New York. The Capitol passes through some pretty scenery, and the Acela is a hoot (that's America speak for a thrill), although a pricey one. If you get an Amtrak Rail Pass, you can get a pretty good fare, I believe. Moreover, with you currency being on a near par with the American dollar, you will not have to pay the premium that many of my Australian friends had to pay when they visited America. For those legs in the U.S. where you have to fly, choose Southwest Airlines if possible. It does not charge you for checked bags. Moreover, if you fly in Australia (I never met an Australian who does not fly), you will feel right at home on Southwest. It is just like Virgin Blue or Virgin Blue is just like it. I like Virgin Blue better because it offers assigned seats. That plus the fact that I was on the first flight on the second day of operations out of Melbourne makes me a devoted customer of Virgin Blue. I lived in Melbourne from 1999 to 2004. Your country is great! It is one of the best places that I have lived. I go back every year or so to visit friends in Melbourne and Sydney. Whilst I lived in Australia I rode the Indian Pacific from Sydney to Perth. I also rode the QR's Tilt train, the Spirit of the Outback, and The Sunlander. My journey on the Spirit of the Outback was from Longreach to Brisbane. Not too many Americans get to Longreach. QR is a first class railway. Also, I have taken The Overland between Melbourne and Adelaide six times. And I cannot remember how many times I have taken the Countrylink between Melbourne and Sydney and vice versa. Plan on a nice trip to the USA. Airport security is a fact of modern air travel. It is a pain but it is not intolerable or nearly as bad as some folks make it out to be. Try to avoid the rush hours, e.g. Sunday night, Monday morning, Friday evening, as well as some of the heavy holiday locations, e.g. Orlando, Miami, etc., at least on the heavy travel days. If you follow these suggestions, you should encounter minor inconveniences. Allow plenty of time to check in, have a cup of coffee, and board your airplane. You won't notice much difference between the security at Sydney and LA. Cheers
tbdanny: Hi, I've been following this debate with interest, as my fiancee and I are planning a honeymoon to the United States in September next year. We'll be travelling by train from Los Angeles to Chicago - this was always part of the plan, as I used to model the ATSF and this is the old Cajon Pass route. We'll probably end up flying between Chicago and New York, then from New York back to LA for the flight to Australia, but now we have an idea of the worst to expect when flying within the USA. We may not have a choice, but we'll be prepared to tolerate it. Especially after seeing articles like this one. Also, it's my understanding that the Fourth Amendment to your constitution only exempts border security searches - which would mean that the 'scanner or pat-down' searches without reasonable cause on domestic flights would be a violation? Cheers, tbdanny
Hi,
I've been following this debate with interest, as my fiancee and I are planning a honeymoon to the United States in September next year. We'll be travelling by train from Los Angeles to Chicago - this was always part of the plan, as I used to model the ATSF and this is the old Cajon Pass route.
We'll probably end up flying between Chicago and New York, then from New York back to LA for the flight to Australia, but now we have an idea of the worst to expect when flying within the USA. We may not have a choice, but we'll be prepared to tolerate it. Especially after seeing articles like this one.
Cheers,
tbdanny
No worries!
By the time you get here the TSA and the carriers will have worked the snags out of the screening processes. They always have a few glitches when they implement new technology or procedures. And the American press, believe it or not, tends to take exceptions and blow them out of proportion. Many people take a few isolated instances and generalize them to the population as a whole. Of course, in most instances, there is no logical reason to do so. Come to think of it, that may happen on Train's forums from time to time.
LA to Chicago on the Southwest Chief is a good ride. I did it in May of this year from Chicago to LA. I enjoyed every minute of it. If time permits, I recommend that you take the Capitol Limited from Chicago to Washington, D.C. and the Acela from Washington to New York. The Capitol passes through some pretty scenery, and the Acela is a hoot (that's America speak for a thrill), although a pricey one. If you get an Amtrak Rail Pass, you can get a pretty good fare, I believe. Moreover, with you currency being on a near par with the American dollar, you will not have to pay the premium that many of my Australian friends had to pay when they visited America.
For those legs in the U.S. where you have to fly, choose Southwest Airlines if possible. It does not charge you for checked bags. Moreover, if you fly in Australia (I never met an Australian who does not fly), you will feel right at home on Southwest. It is just like Virgin Blue or Virgin Blue is just like it. I like Virgin Blue better because it offers assigned seats. That plus the fact that I was on the first flight on the second day of operations out of Melbourne makes me a devoted customer of Virgin Blue.
I lived in Melbourne from 1999 to 2004. Your country is great! It is one of the best places that I have lived. I go back every year or so to visit friends in Melbourne and Sydney.
Whilst I lived in Australia I rode the Indian Pacific from Sydney to Perth. I also rode the QR's Tilt train, the Spirit of the Outback, and The Sunlander. My journey on the Spirit of the Outback was from Longreach to Brisbane. Not too many Americans get to Longreach. QR is a first class railway. Also, I have taken The Overland between Melbourne and Adelaide six times. And I cannot remember how many times I have taken the Countrylink between Melbourne and Sydney and vice versa.
Plan on a nice trip to the USA. Airport security is a fact of modern air travel. It is a pain but it is not intolerable or nearly as bad as some folks make it out to be. Try to avoid the rush hours, e.g. Sunday night, Monday morning, Friday evening, as well as some of the heavy holiday locations, e.g. Orlando, Miami, etc., at least on the heavy travel days. If you follow these suggestions, you should encounter minor inconveniences. Allow plenty of time to check in, have a cup of coffee, and board your airplane. You won't notice much difference between the security at Sydney and LA.
Cheers
Some time in the future, I hope to ride the Acela, but our current health situation precludes any trip in the near future.
Johnny
Amtrak, in the name of security, needs to employ some top female models to do the "grope tests" for passengers. I predict an upshot in the number of male passengers....
Those young girls scare the hell outta me !
Whats any of this crap got to do with trains anyhow? If you don't like the world get some buddys together grab your guns and change things. Or stay home. If more people stay home and the economy dies.. I guess the bad guys win huh?
Both my wife and I are licensed to carry concealed hand guns, she is required tby the State of Texas to go armed for her job.
My wife identifies herself to the TSA, and if the plane has an Air Marshal on board, her side arm goes to him, if not, it rides with the pilots in a secure area.
I carry a pocket knife, given to me by my grandfather 40 years ago.
About 4" long, an Old Timer single blade fold up.
I had one box cutter on my desk right now, used it to open....(wait for it...) a box I got in the mail.!
Also have a box cutter in my tool box, one in my car, and one rides around in my back pack I take to WoodCraft where I work part time.
I also carry a incendiary device, my Zippo cigarette lighter.
As for a club, well, my daughter and her softball team tried to fly to an out of state softball tournament, had her 4 aluminum softball bats, which were packed in her checked luggage, refused on the plane, all of the girls had the same problem, we had to FedEx all of them overnight to the game.
We had to send the catchers equipment FedEx too, the TSA said it could be used for body armor.
As for the other contraband, I guess aftershave, too big a tube of toothpaste or too much shampoo fills the bill.
You list is simply bureaucratic bull speak intended to make it look like they really are doing a good job.
Odd thing is, on the mornings news today, the head of the TSA admitted his agents missed things like hand gums, a explosive device and other stuff that other agencies, like the Inspector General and the GAO tired to get on planes during test of the security TSA has in place.
I guess ya never can tell when a entire team of girls 18 and 17 years old might just take over a plane using softball equipment...trust me, these girls are real tough and mean, they even spit sunflower seed shells all over the place.
Phoebe Vet Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items Interestingly, a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys was stopped at DFW whilst attempting to pass through the TSA screening points. It seems that he had a loaded pistol in his carry-on. Oh, he is reported to have said, "I didn't know that was in my bag. I want the TSA to do a thorough job of screening commercial airline passengers as well as reasonable screenings of train, bus, and transit passengers. Whether I am on a plane, train, bus, or subway, I don't want a nut case sitting next to me with a gun or stiletto. ... and absolutely none of them were intended to be used to harm the aircraft or passengers. Those same people normally carry those same items around in our society. Do you realize that you just insinuated the the coach is a potential terrorist? TSA serves no useful purpose. I would rather use that $8,000,000,000 per year for high speed rail.
Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items Interestingly, a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys was stopped at DFW whilst attempting to pass through the TSA screening points. It seems that he had a loaded pistol in his carry-on. Oh, he is reported to have said, "I didn't know that was in my bag. I want the TSA to do a thorough job of screening commercial airline passengers as well as reasonable screenings of train, bus, and transit passengers. Whether I am on a plane, train, bus, or subway, I don't want a nut case sitting next to me with a gun or stiletto.
Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data:
Interestingly, a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys was stopped at DFW whilst attempting to pass through the TSA screening points. It seems that he had a loaded pistol in his carry-on. Oh, he is reported to have said, "I didn't know that was in my bag.
I want the TSA to do a thorough job of screening commercial airline passengers as well as reasonable screenings of train, bus, and transit passengers. Whether I am on a plane, train, bus, or subway, I don't want a nut case sitting next to me with a gun or stiletto.
... and absolutely none of them were intended to be used to harm the aircraft or passengers. Those same people normally carry those same items around in our society. Do you realize that you just insinuated the the coach is a potential terrorist?
TSA serves no useful purpose. I would rather use that $8,000,000,000 per year for high speed rail.
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tbdanny Hi, I've been following this debate with interest, as my fiancee and I are planning a honeymoon to the United States in September next year. We'll be travelling by train from Los Angeles to Chicago - this was always part of the plan, as I used to model the ATSF and this is the old Cajon Pass route. We'll probably end up flying between Chicago and New York, then from New York back to LA for the flight to Australia, but now we have an idea of the worst to expect when flying within the USA. We may not have a choice, but we'll be prepared to tolerate it. Especially after seeing articles like this one. Also, it's my understanding that the Fourth Amendment to your constitution only exempts border security searches - which would mean that the 'scanner or pat-down' searches without reasonable cause on domestic flights would be a violation? Cheers, tbdanny
At the risk of getting censured for uttering the "p- word," it seems that most, though not all of the fuss about this is coming from the more conservative part of the American political spectrum. However, during the Bush presidency there was little or no fuss from the right about airport security or other intrusions into civil rights (wiretapping, internet and e-mail monitoring, etc.).
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zardoz Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items Perhaps if some of the passengers that were on the planes that were flown into the Trade Center were carrying some of those firearms, knives, clubs, etc., the terrorists would have been stopped DEAD while the planes were still in the air.
Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items
Perhaps if some of the passengers that were on the planes that were flown into the Trade Center were carrying some of those firearms, knives, clubs, etc., the terrorists would have been stopped DEAD while the planes were still in the air.
Good one, Z; although discriminating among the bearers -- and you'd have to -- would certainly complicate the security screening!
Another idea that occurs to me -- and pardon me if this has already been mentioned -- is that, if push comes to shove, the commercial airlines worldwide might just have to choose between hauling passengers and freight/express on given flights. One but not the other. I know it would increase costs for everybody, but why should passenger lives be held forfeit to a sideline, freight/express?
Sam1 Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items
There seems to be little mention of the explosive devices (modified printer cartridges) which were recently found in mailed packages. Do you paranoid-of-the-terrorists-types realize how much air freight is carried on commercial airliners? Plus, lets not forget how many ground-crew people have access to the plane before it takes off. And what are you going to do about the potential for a dirty bomb or a nuke being smuggled into the country in a 20' container? Or a poison gas attack in a crowded city? There are so many different ways that someone who wishes to do great harm can accomplish his objectives, that if I were to seriously worry about it, I would either be constantly looking over my shoulder and around every corner while seeing everyone on the street as a potential threat, or I would just dig a deep hole, build a survival shelter, and move in waiting for the Apocalypse.
I'm all for increased security. I do not want to see innocents be harmed by some psycho political or religious nut case. I just feel that the security measures currently in place are knee-jerk responses to failed attempts, put in place to make the citizens FEEL more secure. Actual security would be welcome, invasive pseudo-security is not; it wastes resources that could be more effectively used for real security.
To subject grandmothers to invasive body scans while at the same time numerous packages from multiple sources are being loaded on the plane, or scanning people boarding a train that will traverse over 2000 miles of open rail lines seems absurd at best, and wasteful at worst.
Phoebe Vet Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items ... and absolutely none of them were intended to be used to harm the aircraft or passengers. Those same people normally carry those same items around in our society. .......
... and absolutely none of them were intended to be used to harm the aircraft or passengers. Those same people normally carry those same items around in our society. .......
Thanks to Chris / CopCarSS for my avatar.
This debate over the intentions behind the discovery of banned items highlights the difference between our bureaucratic security net that catches everybody on the assumption all are terrorists until proven otherwise; and the El Al Airline security system that looks for potential terrorists and then focuses on them alone.
There is no point in taking pen knives away from people who only carry them to clean their fingernails unless you are a bloated federal bureaucracy that needs to justify its existence, so it can get more funding.
Sam1: Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items Interestingly, a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys was stopped at DFW whilst attempting to pass through the TSA screening points. It seems that he had a loaded pistol in his carry-on. Oh, he is reported to have said, "I didn't know that was in my bag. I want the TSA to do a thorough job of screening commercial airline passengers as well as reasonable screenings of train, bus, and transit passengers. Whether I am on a plane, train, bus, or subway, I don't want a nut case sitting next to me with a gun or stiletto. ... and absolutely none of them were intended to be used to harm the aircraft or passengers. Those same people normally carry those same items around in our society. Do you realize that you just insinuated the the coach is a potential terrorist?
You have no idea what the intention of those who showed up at a TSA screening point was, unless of course you have divine powers, which I don't think is the case. I said nothing about the coach. You ability to draw conclusions out of thin air is astounding. The point is that the TSA stopped mostly passengers who had the ability to create harm to an airplane or the people on it.
According to U.S. Today, 81 per cent of Americans, whilst many don't like it, support the efforts of the TSA. I certainly do. Most of the cost of the airport screening program is covered by ticket taxes. It is highly unlikely that the money would be available for high speed rail if the TSA went away.
When passenger rail is hit by terrorists, be prepared for a raft of restrictive security proposals and measures.
An X-Ray machine in Where the Hell, North Dakota. No machine means groped by local law enforcement who show up at train time where there is no Amtrak agent. The reaction to an attack may know no limit of absurdity.
The foolish and abusive check points just bunch hundreds of people up in line. A terrorist doesn't have to get to the airplane, he could just detonate his devise in the middle of the security line.
There are many places where hundreds or thousands of people congregate in small spaces; Trains, subways, river tunnels, bridges, theaters, stadiums, street festivals, race tracks, even the sidewalks of Manhattan. You people are fixated on airplanes more than the bad guys are.
It is not possible to eliminate all risk from life. Come out from under your bed and enjoy life. We are the best weapon the bad guys have. They do something bizarre once every ten years or so and we take care of the rest of keeping ourselves continuously terrorized.
Sam1 Those who believe that the TSA is just for show might want to check out Table 2-16b of the 2009 National Transportation Statistics. Here is a list of the non-allowed items that the TSA intercepted in 2007 at Airport Screening Checkpoints. This is the latest complete data: 1,416 firearms 1,056,687 knives 11,908 box cutters 101,387 other cutting instruments 9,443 clubs 89,623 incendiaries 5,245,558 other prohibited items Interestingly, a former coach of the Dallas Cowboys was stopped at DFW whilst attempting to pass through the TSA screening points. It seems that he had a loaded pistol in his carry-on. Oh, he is reported to have said, "I didn't know that was in my bag. I want the TSA to do a thorough job of screening commercial airline passengers as well as reasonable screenings of train, bus, and transit passengers. Whether I am on a plane, train, bus, or subway, I don't want a nut case sitting next to me with a gun or stiletto.
Let's just hope they don't do this type of security on Amtrack stations
Murray Ulrich: 57 % in 2008 . It's never been at 20%...lowest at around 35 % over the last 50 years. 2010 - 28% 2008 - 63%
Ulrich: 57 % in 2008 . It's never been at 20%...lowest at around 35 % over the last 50 years.
2010 - 28%
2008 - 63%
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