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Trackside Lounge 4Q 2010
Posted by CNW 6000 on Thursday, September 30, 2010 10:02 PM

It's that time again...so here's a link to the last one:
http://cs.trains.com/TRCCS/forums/p/176176/1976730.aspx#1976730

I'll start things off by saying that I hope none of the CN crews involved in the head-on up on the former DMIR get any worse than they are.  Prayers to those involved and families!

Spend most of the afternoon at Medina Jct today, got some nice videos.  It's amazing how much more exciting it feels to see trains at 60 mph instead of 35!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, October 1, 2010 7:40 AM

Good morning, and happy Fourth Quarter to you, too, Dan!


I heard about that wreck this morning--it will be interesting to know what's behind it.  I've always thought of the DM&IR as a scary piece of railroad since the runaway and wreck just shy of the dock perhaps 40 years ago.


Going back to the old lounge briefly, I agree, Quentin--it might be fun to get on the Cardinal trail now, especially since Pat's building up her biking capability.  For someone who used to do several 50-mile-plus trips each year, though, I still have a long way to recover.  The 23 miles nearly did me in (but there was an embarrassing reason for that, entirely preventable). 


I also forgot to mention the one good train I saw in the yard yesterday--near the head end were a bunch of IFRX covered hopper cars.  These had previously been operated by the Riverport Railroad, of Savanna, Illinois, and prior to that had a wide variety of reporting marks--NAHX, TRNX, PLMX, FLIX, and a lot of orange cars with D&RGW origins.  I was able to get the original numbers off a lot of the D&RGW cars, and a few of the others. 


I hadn't been planning on updating any more of my files until after the long weekend of quilt shows and art exhibitions, but those sightings and a letter I got prompted me to translate and transfer the RVPR file, and the two biggest files from the old computer--HS and EEC.  The EEC file didn't transfer for some reason, so I'll have to repair that--300KB would be a lot to have to rewrite from scratch!

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Posted by The Butler on Friday, October 1, 2010 10:19 PM

Carl, speaking of freight cars, I was near Iron Mountain, Missouri, and saw green hopper cars full of rock.  The cars had UP shields and SI reporting marks.  I am thinking they are MOW ballast cars.  There was a blue and white loco with NCCX on it (if I remember correctly), also.  There was quite a long line of cars, all loaded

The town I live in is a railroad desert, so, just seeing these helps me cope. Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, October 2, 2010 9:39 AM

First of all, a happy birthday to Dan Braun, a.k.a. "CNW6000", the guy who dutifully resurrects the Trackside Lounge every quarter.  Hope it's a great day, Buddy, and a good year for you.  You'll need it, when Aedan hits the Terrible Twos!


Now to the SI cars:  this seems to be a reporting mark that UP has resurrected for use on non-revenue cars.  Ballast cars are all I've seen with the relettering so far, but I've found no rhyme or reason to tell me which cars get relettered and which ones don't.  SI used to be the reporting mark for the Spokane International Railroad, which UP took over in about 1958.  (I only remember ever seeing one "original" SI car, a small flat car, in all of the years I've been looking at cars.)


I also can sympathize with your "railroad desert" sentiments--in a little while we're headed to my favorite railroad desert, western Michigan, once again.  I don't hold out much hope for seeing trains along CSX on the way there.  I wish we had time to head east to Owosso, where the NKP 765 is running these days, but  our time up there is pretty tightly scheduled.  I think we'll take the "scenic route" out of Chicago, though.


Last night, Pat and I crawled from pub to pub here in Lombard.  No, this isn't the new post-retirement lifestyle for celebrating paydays--it was an event sponsored by the Lombard Historical Society.  Pretty amazing...all four of the pubs were within a block of the tracks, so we were treated to a goodly number of trains, at least two per hour (scheduled scoots) plus freights.  Problem is, we couldn't see most of them.  One ofthe places (the one that came closest to being a "dive") is practically next to the tracks, but was so noisy inside that we couldn't hear the trains go past--no windows on that side, either.  The only way I found this out was by going outside to cool off, and noticing FRED disappearing around the curve a mile or more to the east.


However, I found that the last place we went to, also right up by the tracks, even has a small bench that railfanning patrons could put to very good use (no drinks allowed at that point, though).  And just before we left to go home ('way past our bedtime!), we were treated to three freight trains in rapid succession (the gates at the nearby crossing barely got to go up between the second and third trains):  a westbound manifest for North Platte and two eastbound stack trains.



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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, October 4, 2010 6:56 PM

Hi!  It's hard to come up with anything exciting in the "railroad desert".  Yesterday, on the way to the "Quilts on the Grand" quilt show, we happened upon a couple of strings of covered hopper cars with interesting pedigrees.  I have about a page worth of notes to work on when the right files get moved to this computer (had they been moved already, I could have had it done by now).


Today Pat and I visited the "ArtPrize" exhibit that has taken over much of the central area of Grand Rapids (we saw something about it on the Today Show this morning, just as we were getting ready to go to it).  Grand Rapids is one rust-belt city that seems to have endured, and even prospered, in spite of hard times and the decline in furniture and automotive industries that once supported the town.  Of course the downtown would be busy during an exhibit like this, but any city that has this many restaurants, offices, and shops has to hold up well in less-hectic times, too.


There were a couple of railroad-related art objects worth mentioning.  One was a three-dimensional photograph of Hughart Yard (now operated by the Grand Elk Railroad, but Pennsy in ancestry).  It had to have been taken recently (or else years ago), because the circus train could be seen occupying a couple of tracks toward the west side of the yard.


The other one was a representation of a box car containing crates with a few railroad motifs printed or stenciled on them--most had a rendition of a modern freight car truck somewhere on them.  This box car, roughly full-sized, was on the old Pennsylvania Railroad bridge across the Grand River--the 1892 double-track truss bridge is now used as a pedestrian bridge between the downtown and the GR campus of our Alma Mater, Grand Valley State University (this campus didn't exist when we'd been at Grand Valley State College!).  Both the bridge and the box car artwork are well-lighted after dark, and look great reflected in the river.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 1:41 PM

Where's everyone else?


Anyway, bright and early this morning I revolted and bolted--left the "railroad desert" of western Michigan by train, riding the Pere Marquette from Grand Rapids to Chicago (I guess if you can do that, it's not really a desert, after all). Pat can handle the remaining chores dealing with her quilt exhibit without me--let's hope she stays awake while driving home (she never does when I'm driving!).


Here's a comparison to show why I think western Michigan is a "desert", at least relatively speaking:  while riding down on Amtrak (CSX's track), we met one train--a Consumers Energy coal train with BNSF power, sitting in Wells siding, with the train cut to clear the grade crossing...not going anywhere for a while!  West of Porter, NS did better, with three or four trains for us to meet, and at one time CSX's parallel main line (through Gary) had trains in both directions being passed by us.

But, when I got back on Metra:
--ZDLSK5 met us at River Forest.
--A north Platte manifest with a DPU was heading into the yard just past Park.
--The eastbound scoot met us just east of Villa Park (he was a little late).
--A stack train went east through Lombard just before we got to the platform.
--I was less than five minutes off the platform when another eastbound stacker went through--this one had a DPU.
That was five trains in 15 minutes. Had I been watching them from a stationary spot, it would have taken a half-hour, maybe a little more. That's what I'm talkin' about!


Another observation, comparing CSX and NS (I rode both this morning--the ride smoothness was about the same, though CSX's speeds were lower):  While the NS right-of-way is fairly neat and orderly, the folks at CSX are disgusting housekeepers--in many places I found pieces of old ties along the roadbed (isn't that a hazmat situation these days?), and trees that had fallen down into the right-of-way were not cleared away--some actually brushed us.  And their vegetation control, though possibly effective, looks horrendous--dead trees with brown, wilted leaves along the right-of-way, even in urban areas such as Michigan City, Indiana.  Definitely not the image I'd want to present to the public.  On NS, the right-of-way was clear--maybe dead weeds in places, but the trees next to the right-of-way (and well away from the tracks) were a far better representation of fall colors (which were gorgeous all along the route--glad I wasn't driving, so I could admire them).

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 2:17 PM

I was thinking much the same this morning, Carl.  Not near as much interesting stuff to post, I guess . . . Sigh  That's the equivalent of a good week's worth of train-watching for me. 

Were all your observations from a regular coach seat ?  I can see maybe so - or did you pull your Railroader Emeritus rank to obtain some unofficial help from the train crew Smile, Wink & Grin  Such as ID'g the ZDSLK5 ?  For me, passing trains are such as surprise that about all I get is a blur* . . .

Is there anything still running up towards Traverse City and Petoskey ?  From time to time a few years ago, there was a tourist operation of some kind . . .

Interesting comparison about the ROW vegetation conditions.  A few years ago there were a lot of storm/ hurricane outages on both roads - but especially CSX - in the Washington, D.C. area and to the southeast.  That might explain a good portion of it: if the tree's not there - regardless of whether it's dead or alive - then it simply can't fall down on the C&S wires or onto the tracks and foul up the operation.  Score points for NS management on that one.

Here's what I was wondering earlier: I know you've described retarder maintenance, repair, and replacement, etc. work from time to time.  As I recall, you said it was the C&S people who did that.  I can see that for the controls and valves and all the mechanical stuff - but weren't the track/ MOW or Bridge & Building people involved at all ?  Handling the rails and retarder beams, setting them down, and fastening them to the ties or whatever is used instead seems more like track or B&B work than C&S work.  How would the C&S people handle tamping the ballast, or otherwise providing support for the track ?  I'm not saying it can't be done by them, but it seems to me to be a situation that's a natural blend of the technologies as well as the several crafts, rather than belonging to just one union.  Or am I mistaken on this

- Paul North. 

*EDIT - Aside from the hard [Return] / paragraphing feature not working here today . ..

I meant to mention a children's book from back when I was little, that I'm sure the kids and grandkids of almost all of those here would enjoy - and likely the grandparents and parents, too.  It's called Benji Enjie by Louise Lawrence Devine [RandMcNally, 1950], and here's a link to a brief description of it:

http://www.vintagechildrensbooksmykidloves.com/2007/10/benjie-engie.html 

That linked to Amazon, where it seems that copies can be obtained for as little as $1.00 to $5.00 - take it from me, it's well worth the price:  

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000NZZ2X2?ie=UTF8&tag=httpwwwvintag-20&linkCode=as2&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B000NZZ2X2

An excerpt from that description:

"This story is a sweet one and tells the tale of heartache in the fast lane. Benji is the little local train who likes to go slow... taking time to smell the flowers and fall in love with the landscape.

Benjie Engie was a locomotive with a coal car, two passenger cars,
and a baggage car fastened on behind.
And unlike all the other trains Benjie had known, he didn't have a
single problem in the world.


... that is until he is fitted with a new high-speed engine, and life becomes a literal blur that is depressing and joyless. Fear not, this is the Junior Elf world, so all ends with a wink and a smile." 

Hmm - maybe that explains my contrarian and non-conformist nature . . . Smile, Wink & Grin 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 3:49 PM

No help, Paul--it was just me in the coach seats--a Superliner coach (!--number 34002) on the Pere Marquette, and an ordinary 6000-series Metra gallery car.  Of course, seeing as how I was tromping four miles across Grand Rapids to the depot before getting on the train, starting at 4:30 Eastern Time this morning, I may have dozed and missed a few on either venue...but somehow I doubt it--they tend to wake one up.


The ZDLSK5 was easy--all ARMN reefers.  The North Platte manifest was also easy, due both to the types of cars seen and the presence of a DPU on the hind end.  You'll notice I didn't attempt to guess the identity of the stackers.


I believe the ex-C&O line between Traverse City and Petoskey is still intact, and operated by the Great Lakes Central.  I'm sure that nothing touristy is running the entire distance, but with GLC, the same folks who allow the Pere Marquette 1225--and NKP 765, this year--to run over their ex-Ann Arbor line, never say "never".  GLC reaches Traverse City over former PRR/PC trackage from Cadillac; the old C&O line south of Traverse City to Manistee (cobbled from segments of Pere Marquette and the Manistee & Northeastern) is gone.


Not too many pole lines left to get knocked down by trees (possibly the rationale for cutting back on the effort), but I'll stand by those observations--adding that the Cardinal (via CSX) gets stopped by fallen trees a lot...and the Crescent (NS) doesn't. 


The Signal Department folks (we just called 'em all "maintainers") deal with adjusting the components of the switches and switch machines--making sure the points were the proper distance apart and snug against the rail--a separation of a quarter-inch must be reflected in the signal indication.  If things such as broken rails (other than the points) or tamping are required, the Track Department ("section men") handle that.  Same with retarders--Signal takes care of replacing broken beams, shoes, electricals, hydraulics, chairs, springs, and so on, or making adjustments on anything in the retarders, the electrical cabinets, relay houses, on up to the levers in the towers.  If an entire retarder unit is changed out, they usually hire somebody like Cranemasters to handle the "out with the old, in with the new", with a pause in the middle for the section men to assure a solid level base at the right level throughout.  Section will also attach the retarder's rails to the rest of the track.  B&B might have some involvement here, possibly supervising the whole thing.  But again, Signal makes all of the electrical connections and the adjustments.


(I remember the Benjie Engie title, but not the story.  My family--both me and my kids--grew up on Tootle.)

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Posted by zugmann on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 8:42 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr

I was thinking much the same this morning, Carl.  Not near as much interesting stuff to post, I guess . . . Sigh  That's the equivalent of a good week's worth of train-watching for me. 

 

Been busy.  We are so short-handed it isn't funny anymore.  Working pretty much every day with an oddball day off here and there. Haven't even the smallest desire to see, photograph, or write about trains.  This week should have been a little slower, but they decided to rush people through rules class, creating tons of vacancies. What's funny is that I went in January - where they said they were giopng to get poeple in the classes early, so they wouldn't have the typical end-of-year rush.  Of course they had classes for a few weeks, then nothing until now - when they started freaking out again.  And on top of that, I guess they are going to start up the safety classes for this year (when they already don't have enough people to cover regular vacancies and extra work).  

 

And our weather went from 90 and sunny to 45 and raining overnight it seems.  

 

Back to the robotic locomotive-powered salt mines.  Ugh.

 

PS.  And of course this forum software makes it a pain in the balls to post anything anymore.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Tuesday, October 5, 2010 9:14 PM

Zug, I hear the same from this end of the Commonwealth on NS.  Compared to how things are in my company and line of work - lots of people laid off or only on half-time, etc. -  I tell that to people about railroads in general (only broadly - not identifying locations or even screen names), and their jaws bounce off the floor.  And there's been a work train distributing new ties along the southern/ normally EB track of the Reading Line from Allentown towards Reading this week, so aside from that crew, there's an omen that there's going to be more disruption and crews being used up there in the near future . . .

Mischief  Maybe what you need to do is the Huck Finn thing about whitewashing the picket fence - make it sound like so much fun that someone with more seniority will bid it away from you.  Or auction it off to the railfan who'll pay the highest about to play with some real trains . . . Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by Deggesty on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 12:21 PM

Paul_D_North_Jr

Zug, I hear the same from this end of the Commonwealth on NS.  Compared to how things are in my company and line of work - lots of people laid off or only on half-time, etc. -  I tell that to people about railroads in general (only broadly - not identifying locations or even screen names), and their jaws bounce off the floor.  And there's been a work train distributing new ties along the southern/ normally EB track of the Reading Line from Allentown towards Reading this week, so aside from that crew, there's an omen that there's going to be more disruption and crews being used up there in the near future . . .

Mischief  Maybe what you need to do is the Huck Finn thing about whitewashing the picket fence - make it sound like so much fun that someone with more seniority will bid it away from you.  Or auction it off to the railfan who'll pay the highest about to play with some real trains . . . Smile, Wink & Grin

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Paul, according to my copy of Tom Sawyer, it was Tom who deceived his friends into whitewashing the fence. I doubt that Huck's father ever had a fence to be whitewashed. Smile

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Wednesday, October 6, 2010 12:35 PM

Yeah - thanks for the correction, Johnny.  And ''Tom'' is way more appropriate in this instance, for a reason that you might surmise . . . Smile, Wink & Grin 

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Posted by AgentKid on Thursday, October 7, 2010 1:57 PM

I went down to Lethbridge, AB yesterday for the first time since late in the Twentieth Century. Saw several photo worthy railfan items, but was unable to take any pictures from a moving vehicle.

On the way there we passed the Claresholm, AB CP station. This was built reusing materials from a former Calgary station disassembled here in 1910. Then, a few kilometres east of Fort Macleod we met a WB Potash train with 2 GE's on the point, one in the middle and one on the end. The terrain is hilly there, and the train was on a curve, so you could see almost its' entire length. It would have made for a spectacular photo. And finally we saw a train heading out on to the Lethbridge Viaduct. At just over a mile long and 315 feet high locomotives and cars look amazingly small on it. That structure is so big I have never seen a photo of it that I really like. CP has several similar, smaller structures that I like pictures of much better.

That Potash train was on its' way from the mines in Saskatchewan to Portland, OR. It would have picked up a new crew in Lethbridge who would take to Crowsnest, AB. Another crew would take it to Kingsgate, BC, where it would clear US Customs. Does anyone know how long it takes to clear a bulk commodity train like that through customs? Then it goes down the former Spokane International, mentioned earlier this month on this thread, to Spokane, WA. From there however, I am unclear how it makes its' way to Portland.

The Claresholm station has an interesting connection to our family. In August of 1953 there was some sort of serious incident involving the agent there, and my father was sent/ordered to go there as relief. This was only about a week before my parents were to be married, and this nearly derailed their wedding plans. Dad had been relieving at Lake Louise and Mom was a nurse at Canmore, AB, east of Banff. They had planned to take a train to Calgary and have the wedding there, as Mom's parents could take a train WB from Brooks, AB to Calgary. This happened before credit cards, and so quickly, that Dad had hardly any money on him and he still needed to eat, so he thought he was going to have to sleep on the floor of the freight shed! By the end of that first day the agent involved found a bed for my Dad to sleep on. He rode a caboose NB to get to the wedding, spent one night in Calgary, and had to go back to Claresholm for a couple of more weeks. They had their honeymoon after that. The best laid plans...

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Posted by CShaveRR on Thursday, October 7, 2010 3:49 PM

Great to hear about your trip experiences, Bruce, and the interesting story of your parents' marriage!  I don't know what's involved in clearing customs with that or any other train, though I'm sure some sort of inspection by government officials is involved (on a unit potash train, I suspect the empties would be a little more closely inspected than loads).


My railfanning escapade today involved a 15-mile round trip to Wheaton and beyond, in which time I saw four scoots, two manifests, an auto train, and an intermodal.  One of the three tracks was out of service, and there was a work train (one GP15-1, four flat cars, and an ex-MP platform caboose) moving along that track.  The new second-train (or "ghost train", as some employees have termed it) signals are being installed in Glen Ellyn; the ones in Wheaton aren't cut in yet (I would have had two occasions to check them out on this trip, had they been functioning!).  I did get west of Wheaton to check out some of the new block signals and see them work.  Using the Lori Most Bridge to cross the tracks by the DuPage County Fairgrounds, I noticed that the signals to the west were all showing clear indications westbound.  Guess that means nothing was on the tracks between there and Turner.


Somewhere in the Forum, the old CA&E bridge over the tracks at Wheaton was mentioned (in connection with double-stack clearances), and I noted that it was currently closed.  It's a clearance problem again--but not for the tracks this time.  They had to build a new ramp inside the bridge to raise it to a height to adequately clear the two streets just north of the tracks (the approach to a new vehicular bridge over the tracks will raise the pavement underneath the Prairie Path bridge).  Lots of work was going on along the tracks, building new retaining walls and abutments for the vehicular bridge.


Still no evidence of the construction of crossovers in Wheaton, nor of the pedestrian tunnel that is supposed to replace the Chase Street grade crossing (no evidence of the Lombard crossovers, either, yet).  Signal Department people seemed to be at work at nearly every grade-crossing bungalow in both Lombard and Glen Ellyn, and there was grade-crossing renewal work going on at Main Street in Wheaton.  It's supposed to be an amazing upgrade to our line, but I get the feeling that K. P. Harrier would be bored to death if this were his territory!

 

(Hide your thumbs here, everyone--they have the potential to destroy entire threads!)

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Posted by zugmann on Friday, October 8, 2010 4:07 AM

Paul_D_North_Jr

 

Mischief  Maybe what you need to do is the Huck Finn thing about whitewashing the picket fence - make it sound like so much fun that someone with more seniority will bid it away from you.  Or auction it off to the railfan who'll pay the highest about to play with some real trains . . . Smile, Wink & Grin

- Paul North. 

 

I tried offering my job to the forum - got no takers.  I'm on the list, which is usually the place of last resort.  Although the list isn't bad.  You get called for easy jobs every so often, and with the small terminal I work in, I usually know when I'm going out long before the call.  Only thing missing are days off, though I usually have most of the weekend off.  It has been busy though - I just got done working my 6th timecard since Sunday afternoon.  Unfortunately, only 5 days.  If I go out tonight (doubtful) I'd get the super awesome 48 hour FRA rest.  

 

We had to drop off two gondolas for the track supervisor at a small MOW yard.  Both filled with metal ties.  First time I've seen them in person.  Plus there's some brand new signals sitting there.  I fear the old PRR position lights we have in town are on their final countdown.

 

Now the cool part, is the town that has this MOW yard is where I grew up watching trains ever since I was a little tyke.  So growing up, it was always cool to see a train doing some work in the old yard that sat empty most of the time.  Now I get to go into that yard every once in a while.  Something cool about that - I don't know why. 

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, October 8, 2010 9:06 AM

zugmann

 

We had to drop off two gondolas for the track supervisor at a small MOW yard.  Both filled with metal ties.  First time I've seen them in person.  Plus there's some brand new signals sitting there.  I fear the old PRR position lights we have in town are on their final countdown.

We have some steel ties at Proviso--I can't remember whether CNW or UP installed them.  They haven't been replaced, as far as I know, but they haven't been added to, either.  Back to wood for the most recent installations.

As for signals, I neglected to mention that the searchlight signals on the CSX line I traveled over seem to be on their way out as well--lots of hooded tri-lights up, some even in service.

zugmann

Now the cool part, is the town that has this MOW yard is where I grew up watching trains ever since I was a little tyke.  So growing up, it was always cool to see a train doing some work in the old yard that sat empty most of the time.  Now I get to go into that yard every once in a while.  Something cool about that - I don't know why. 

That is cool!  The yards (if you can call them that) where I grew up stood empty most of the time I was growing up (unless cars were stored there), and the local trains (daily in each direction on C&O, three times a week on GTW) provided the action.  The two railroads between themselves brought in a good variety of freight equipment, though I didn't realize it at the time.  But nobody works there now--there's just a runaround track by the old C&O depot, and everything in the GTW yard has been pulled up.

Carl

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Posted by AgentKid on Friday, October 8, 2010 9:08 AM

zugmann

 

Now I get to go into that yard every once in a while.  Something cool about that - I don't know why. 

It is something about boys and their toys. Bigger boys have bigger toys. I forget the exact quote. And I wouldn't deny you your enjoyment for a moment.

I wanted to comment a day or so ago about Paul's comment about Tom Sawyer's whitewashing the fence trick. If you remember the thread about sharpshooting from a couple of months ago, the whitewashing trick is a part of the sharpshooters arsenal. Trick someone with more seniority than you to bid on your job that you don't like, so you can bid on the job they just vacated. A time honored and proven technique.

Conversely, men on the bottom of the list shouldn't go bragging about their jobs too much. Gems can be found in strange places sometimes. They could get bumped.

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Posted by Modelcar on Friday, October 8, 2010 9:41 AM

From conversations I see on here, the former PRR position signal lights are a priority for new owners to have them replaced.  Didn't they serve the PRR well, and if so why are they being replaced.

Has technology passed them by, and or the parts unavailablity to service them part of the problem......?

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Posted by CShaveRR on Friday, October 8, 2010 9:56 AM

That probably has a lot to do with it, Quentin--but I think that they want to eliminate confusion or complication in having people learn more than one set of signal aspects.  This would hold true especially on lines west of Pittsburgh, where so little of the PRR is left standing. 


The position lights on the old PRR main line into Chicago, at least next to the Skyway, don't seem to be going anywhere just yet (I know that could change in a week, but I'm still willing to grasp that straw).

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Posted by mudchicken on Friday, October 8, 2010 10:53 AM

Solid state vs. moving parts......

Mudchicken Nothing is worth taking the risk of losing a life over. Come home tonight in the same condition that you left home this morning in. Safety begins with ME.... cinscocom-west
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Posted by zugmann on Friday, October 8, 2010 2:10 PM

No worries about being bumped for now.  Everyone has worked my list on their way to a regular job - and I don't think too many are that eager to lose their regular start times and days off.   I've held off and on the two worst regular jobs here, and I enjoyed both of them.  They are a lot of work, but I never minded that.  Keeping busy usually meant the time flew by (and the OT rolled in). 

 

They've been replacing everything here with those hooded-tri color lights.  My favorite lights were the old Reading searchlights - which I think were brighter by far than the replacements.  Now think if they would actually still clean and aim them yearly?  At night, you almost can't beat those PRR position lights though.  Why almost?  Amtrak has been installing LED colored position lights.  If I had my wish - all signals would be those.  Blindingly bright, and you still have the position function.  Coolest thing is the use of white.  A slow approach on NORAC is:

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/

 

While a restricting is:

 

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\

 

Now, on the old PRR, the lights were all amber.  But the new signals, they use red for the top horizontal, then amber for the bottom diagonal on the slow approach, and white for the bottom diagonal for the restricting. 

 

PS,  just got called for the 7th job in six days.  Which means 48 hours rest starts when I'm done.

It's been fun.  But it isn't much fun anymore.   Signing off for now. 


  

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Posted by Paul_D_North_Jr on Friday, October 8, 2010 2:35 PM

I'd be curious to know what/ where those steel ties are eventually used or installed for, when you find out (and to the extent you can disclose that, in your sound discretion). 

Thanks for the commentary and insights on the signals, too.

Enjoy your weekend (!) off !  It's supposed to be a nice one.  And don't forget to leave an offering for the 'Cooler God' !   Smile, Wink & Grin

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Posted by CShaveRR on Saturday, October 9, 2010 8:07 AM

Yeah, you're lucky, Zug--my Federal-rest weekends never coincided with a real, live "human" weekend!


Time to keep the birthday calendar close at hand...the next week or so is just packed with 'em!


Starting today, when we greet Pat, AKA "Boss Hen", out in Colorado.  Hope you have an excellent day and weekend!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, October 10, 2010 8:20 AM

Today it's happy birthday, first and foremost, to Pat, my "old lady" (for the next six days, anyway...Saturday I catch up to her again!).  Our celebration this afternoon will consist of bike riding through the lovely fall colors at the Morton Arboretum.


Happy birthday, too, to Willy, the resident meteorologist.  Hope you have a great day planned as well, and that the railroads cooperate!

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Posted by Willy2 on Sunday, October 10, 2010 9:10 AM

CShaveRR

Today it's happy birthday, first and foremost, to Pat, my "old lady" (for the next six days, anyway...Saturday I catch up to her again!).  Our celebration this afternoon will consist of bike riding through the lovely fall colors at the Morton Arboretum.


Happy birthday, too, to Willy, the resident meteorologist.  Hope you have a great day planned as well, and that the railroads cooperate!

Thanks Carl! Famous Dave's is calling my name for my birthday dinner this evening. Not sure about train watching. I'll probably have to put that off until fall break.

Please wish Pat a happy birthday for me. Hope you guys have a great day!

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Posted by CShaveRR on Sunday, October 10, 2010 7:40 PM

It was a great idea to visit the Arboretum on this balmy Sunday afternoon.  Unfortunately for us, several hundred people had the same idea just ahead of us, and traffic was backed up along Highway 53 in both directions for blocks!  So we tried the recently-made trails I'd discovered in Wheaton instead.  I treated the Birthday Girl to Dairy Queen, and we caught a couple of good trains.

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Posted by AgentKid on Monday, October 11, 2010 10:13 AM

Well, it is that time of year again. The leaves on the trees are turning colour, and it is time for my annual wish of Happy Canadian Thanksgiving to my fellow Canadian readers. Some of us, me included, enjoyed our turkey yesterday, and I hope the rest of you have an enjoyable time today.

I was visiting my sister's family yesterday and our Mom made it out as well. My sister has two boys who were really surprised when I mentioned that I didn't enjoy Railway Days at Heritage Park a couple of weekends ago, until I explained it was due to camera troubles. They said I enjoy everything "railway"! A good time and a excellent meal was had by all.

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Posted by CShaveRR on Monday, October 11, 2010 7:33 PM

Bruce, is your holiday always on October 10, or does it stick to one particular day of the week?  At any rate, I hope it was happy and meaningful for you. 

 

We got some bad news concerning our upcoming Thanksgiving celebration--our son-in-law from California won't be able to join us as planned this year, due to being in the pool for jury duty.  As it stands, Linda may come back home by herself, or we might persuade them to both come for Christmas instead.

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This past week, on two separate occasions, I've observed that UP has been leasing covered hopper cars of grain-carrying capacity.  The cars are lettered CMO, with their numbers unchanged.  Last week it was ex-NDYX cars in the 151000 and 516000 series (well over 100 of them, random numbers).  Just today, I noticed that they've apparently gotten CSX's newest covered hoppers, 110 of them in series 265800-265909.  The CSX logo was obliterated and replaced with a UP "Building America" decal, which liiks kind of good on a beige background, too.

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I was wearing my railroad-logo shirt when we dined out this noon with daughter, son-in-law, and grandkids.  Katelyn, bless her, is very observant:  "You've worn that shirt before, Grandpa!"  Two trains passed by, and Nico was very focused on them for the entire time they were in view.  Of course, he also paid attention to construction equipment, a school bus, and especially the concrete mixing truck.    Katelyn also knew that there was coal in one of the trains we saw.

 

 

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Posted by AgentKid on Monday, October 11, 2010 9:06 PM

Carl, Canadian Thanksgiving is always the second Monday in October. It is our last 3 day holiday weekend until Christmas. Sorry to hear your son-in-law won't be able to join you for your Thanksgiving.

Bruce

 

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Posted by CShaveRR on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 7:44 AM

Thanks for the info, Bruce!  Something I'll try to remember.


We're hoping that our California kids can come out for Christmas instead.  They usually alternate years (Thanksgiving one year, Christmas the next).  If we can get them to flip the alternation, it will put them in synch with our nephew, who does the same thing. 


Happy birthday today to Aimee Blysard, wife of the Forum's Poet Laureate, Ed.  Have a great day!

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