Went hunting, shot some pics of the Hudson 2816 steam trials.

[tree68]

QUOTE: Originally posted by spankybird

Hi all,

When the 2816 went by me, it was in neutral, and just along for the ride. I was disappointed that it didn’t have a full head of steam and smoke from it stack, no barking of the cylinders. I do believe they were making up some time. One report that I heard was that it was running at 65 MPH, which I believe is faster than a Huston can run. Maybe that is why the SOO was in front.

They did have some steam and yes they did blow the whistle.

tom

I have to believe a Hudson would run 65. With 75" drivers, she should be more than capable of 75, in fact. If either of the engines wasn't going to be capable of 65, I'd think it would be the Soo engine, if only because it wasn't geared for it.

[spankybird]

Hi all,

When the 2816 went by me, it was in neutral, and just along for the ride. I was disappointed that it didn’t have a full head of steam and smoke from it stack, no barking of the cylinders. I do believe they were making up some time. One report that I heard was that it was running at 65 MPH, which I believe is faster than a Huston can run. Maybe that is why the SOO was in front.

They did have some steam and yes they did blow the whistle.

tom

[athelney]

#2816 should be leading the train as it's fitted with Mu control , just like #2860 is . Maybe someone did'nt notice it !!

[Anonymous]

Great shots, sad too see the 2816 isn't leading, what happened?

Were they even blowing the whistle for you? [:(]

[athelney]

How come the SOO diesel is leading the #2816 ? don't you guys know the diesel goes in behind steam !!
What a way to run a railway !!!!!!!

[spankybird]

Hi all,

Here is some of the pics that I took of the Royal Canadan 2816 as it came thru Willoughby, OH today.

It was being pulled by a diesel and was just along for the ride today.








tom

[athelney]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grinandbearit

Hey Macguy,
We just had The Empress (2816) in our region (Eastern Ontario) and I'm sure there 1000's of pictures taken. At Smiths Falls , a division point on the CPR on the 6th of June there were over 2000 railfans, I think all with cameras. She came in with about an 18 or 19 car train made up of support cars, 3 diesels, (all vintage ) coaches, sleepers, a diner and several business cars. The passengers who boarded at Vancouver and got off at Montreal,paid a reported $26000 a piece for double occupancy. On the return through the "Falls" she was down to the support cars ,two coaches, a sleeper and a business car. Again a huge crowd but not as many as the first time.
It's really a thrill to see a genuine main line steam engine and I'm sure the CPR has reaped a load of favorable publicity from this cross Canada excursion. Now 2816 will go to the U.S. and double head excursions with 261. That should be quite a sight.

There's nothing like live steam! [:D]

I wish I could have seen the 2816 with all those cars behind her, when I saw her she just had about 3 coaches, a box car and a tool car and that was it. But you take whatever you can get when it comes to live steam these days, right?

Hopefully someone will post some pics somewhere of the 2816 when she goes double heading, that would be awsome to see!

Glad to hear so many turned out to see the 2816 in motion! [8D]

Have to echo Macguy's comments -- we have to see some pic's of #2816 doubleheading with #261 - we won't get to see anything like that out here in BC -- enjoy while you can and send #2816 back safe

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Grinandbearit

Hey Macguy,
We just had The Empress (2816) in our region (Eastern Ontario) and I'm sure there 1000's of pictures taken. At Smiths Falls , a division point on the CPR on the 6th of June there were over 2000 railfans, I think all with cameras. She came in with about an 18 or 19 car train made up of support cars, 3 diesels, (all vintage ) coaches, sleepers, a diner and several business cars. The passengers who boarded at Vancouver and got off at Montreal,paid a reported $26000 a piece for double occupancy. On the return through the "Falls" she was down to the support cars ,two coaches, a sleeper and a business car. Again a huge crowd but not as many as the first time.
It's really a thrill to see a genuine main line steam engine and I'm sure the CPR has reaped a load of favorable publicity from this cross Canada excursion. Now 2816 will go to the U.S. and double head excursions with 261. That should be quite a sight.

There's nothing like live steam! [:D]

I wish I could have seen the 2816 with all those cars behind her, when I saw her she just had about 3 coaches, a box car and a tool car and that was it. But you take whatever you can get when it comes to live steam these days, right?

Hopefully someone will post some pics somewhere of the 2816 when she goes double heading, that would be awsome to see!

Glad to hear so many turned out to see the 2816 in motion! [8D]

[Modelcar]

...Yep, Feedwater heater on top...For sure.

[spankybird]

Hi All,

I have heard that this great looking engine will be leaving Buffalo, NY. Sunday morning on it’s way to Chicago, Ill.

It should be coming thru Cleveland on the CSX tracks late morning or early afternoon. It is do at the Collinwood yards by 6:00pm.

I will be railfanning at our local grade cross hoping to get some pics of her.



tom

[Grinandbearit]

And by the way that is a feedwater heater , no question about it!

[Grinandbearit]

Hey Macguy,
We just had The Empress (2816) in our region (Eastern Ontario) and I'm sure there 1000's of pictures taken. At Smiths Falls , a division point on the CPR on the 6th of June there were over 2000 railfans, I think all with cameras. She came in with about an 18 or 19 car train made up of support cars, 3 diesels, (all vintage ) coaches, sleepers, a diner and several business cars. The passengers who boarded at Vancouver and got off at Montreal,paid a reported $26000 a piece for double occupancy. On the return through the "Falls" she was down to the support cars ,two coaches, a sleeper and a business car. Again a huge crowd but not as many as the first time.
It's really a thrill to see a genuine main line steam engine and I'm sure the CPR has reaped a load of favorable publicity from this cross Canada excursion. Now 2816 will go to the U.S. and double head excursions with 261. That should be quite a sight.

[Anonymous]

That is a great train.

[edblysard]

See, I told you so....
Ed

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Macguy,
You should send the first or lead photo to Eric, for the photo of the day, good looking photo.
Ed

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Sask_Tinplater

I saw 2816 on the news yesterday. It was being used to pull a special train for a reenactment of Bill Miner's train robbery that happened 100 years ago. That could be part of the reason why they were runing it when you got the pictures. Of course the 2816 is a bit too modern of an engine if they wanted the reenactment to be 100% correct. For those of you don't know, Bill Miner was considered to be the last of the great outlawas. See http://allthingswilliam.com/misc/billy-miner.html or for a longer version http://pacificcoast.net/~slim/biblio/v12n03a.htm .

Yeah there was a write up in the Vancouver Province Newspaper about that, they were also running steam trials Friday and Sunday.

[edblysard]

One more item for thought.
If that was the main reservoir, its a awfully small one, with a very limited capacity.
The engineer would need to climb up there to drain the water out of it, and I didnt notice any automatic drain or spitter valve, or over pressure blow off and we have right and left side photos.
Where its at would heat the air inside even more than the compressor does, so it would require a lot more draining, and create a lot more water in the line and the tank.
The pressure would vary with the heat of the stack and the smokebox, also.

Its a feedwater heater.

Ed

[Anonymous]

I saw 2816 on the news yesterday. It was being used to pull a special train for a reenactment of Bill Miner's train robbery that happened 100 years ago. That could be part of the reason why they were runing it when you got the pictures. Of course the 2816 is a bit too modern of an engine if they wanted the reenactment to be 100% correct. For those of you don't know, Bill Miner was considered to be the last of the great outlawas. See http://allthingswilliam.com/misc/billy-miner.html or for a longer version http://pacificcoast.net/~slim/biblio/v12n03a.htm .

[cprted]

The "tank" on 2816's smokebox is a feedwater heater. You guys are just going to have to trust me as someone who has put in more than a few hours behind the throttle of a steam locomotive.

CPR built all their own engines, so the feedwater heater on 2816 isn't likely to be found in any locomotive cyclopaedia. As for fuel, CPR's H1-A through H1-D (road numbers 2800 - 2859) were all originally built as coal burners. Only the H1-E's (2860-2864) were built as oil burners, though 2816 (an H1-B) was converted to oil fire when she was restored.

As with all CPR streamlined locomotives, the boiler cladding on 2860 is actually a much larger diameter than the boiler itself, so as to cover all the plumbing and such.

[Modelcar]

Respectfully disagree with your assessment of Elsco feedwater heater placement. The item in front of the stack is more complicated in appearance than a plain air pressue storage tank. And yes the stack does have a different appearance on 2860 because the "streamlining shrouding" is covering the original stack and required modification because of such. The Elsco feedwater heater is at the same location on both the 2860 and 2816 engines. The streamlining metal on 2860 is simply covering the heater and one can just see dimples to clear it on the covering shroud....

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by macguy



2860


2816

The 2860 shows the proper placement for an Elsco feedwater heater, as per all references, encased within the hood, although the stack is different than some references, but this is similar to other Steam engine designed to burn oil, so this may have been an oil converted Hudson.

2816 is showing what appears to be an Airtank on the hood, and not an Elsco Feedwater heater, thus I'm still convinced it is one of the Two (yes they have two) airtanks moved there to make room for non-standard regulitory equipment.

Jay

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by pmsteamman

When can we see them doublehead??

Not anytime soon the 2860 is unfortunately in a state of disrepair.

The West Coast Railway Association is trying to raise enough funds to get her going again, but it seems that it will be some time (if ever) before she's back on the rails again.

You can track their progress here:
http://www.wcra.org/hudson/

[pmsteamman]

When can we see them doublehead??

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by Modelcar

....2860 appears to have a raised streamlined jacket installed over the boiler plating even to the point of hiding the domes somewhat on top of the boiler. But, look closely one can see dimples where the feedwater heater must be installed....right ahead of the stack....It is also a very nice picture of it.

HA! I see the dimples, I never even noticed them.

Like you said, looks like all they did was pop a new top overtop the boiler.

Neat.

[Modelcar]

....2860 appears to have a raised streamlined jacket installed over the boiler plating even to the point of hiding the domes somewhat on top of the boiler. But, look closely one can see dimples where the feedwater heater must be installed....right ahead of the stack....It is also a very nice picture of it.

[Anonymous]

Here's a comparison:


2860


2816

[Anonymous]

QUOTE: Originally posted by edblysard

Units 2800 through 2819 has Elsco feedwater heaters, (the air tank looking thing in front of the stack) units 2820 through 2864 had them too, but hidden in a semi-streamlined jacket.
2820 to 2864 also had hidden, or domeless boilers, sand domes and steam domes were very short and also hidden by the streamlined effect.

At least 2 of the last units were oil burnners.

Look close at the photos, you can see the air tanks just under the running boards.

Ed

That sounds right to me, I remember when the Royal Hudson 2860 was still running on BC Rail it was much more streamlined than the 2816. The 2860 had no visible feedwater heater and had a much less clutered looking boiler.

I always prefered the 2860, but when I heard they were running the 2816 I didn't hesitate to go watch. [^]

Both burn oil.

[edblysard]

Units 2800 through 2819 has Elsco feedwater heaters, (the air tank looking thing in front of the stack) units 2820 through 2864 had them too, but hidden in a semi-streamlined jacket.
2820 to 2864 also had hidden, or domeless boilers, sand domes and steam domes were very short and also hidden by the streamlined effect.

At least 2 of the last units were oil burnners.

Look close at the photos, you can see the air tanks just under the running boards.

Ed

[Modelcar]

....Ok, just was over on Google and hunted down photos of Elesco feedwater heaters and yes, it shows them mounted right ahead of the smoke stack and on the same engine you can see the air tanks mounted in the usual place under the running boards. So I'm convinced that is what were seeing in the photos in this post of the Hudson.

[Modelcar]

....So the jury is still out as to whether we have a feedwater heater or an air tank. I won't wager any funds on it but I seem to remember chatter of the feedwater heater being located at that spot.