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Posted by ACY Tom on Monday, October 19, 2015 8:30 PM

There's a note saying "file under ..... train wreck".  This could lead a casual observer to conclude that some blame attaches to the train, but I don't see how the train could cause the truck's landing gear to snag the rail. Doesn't look like the train wrecked.  Looks like the truck wrecked.  If the trucker was worried about being over the weight limit before this happened, I think he can relax now.

Hope the injured recover, and the guilty party learns a lesson.

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Posted by Wizlish on Sunday, October 25, 2015 11:41 AM

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If the trucker was worried about being over the weight limit before this happened, I think he can relax now.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Monday, October 26, 2015 8:18 PM

Local news ran this, after a car ran into a train early Sunday morning. (Yes, they said the car hit the train! Finally getting something right!)

http://www.yourerie.com/news/local-news/avioding-accidents-on-railroad-tracks

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Posted by zugmann on Monday, October 26, 2015 8:51 PM

schlimm

 

 

 
ricktrains4824

Why? BaltACD is referring to the article about the Cuyahoga Falls crossing, where 21 car drivers have turned onto the tracks.... That is indeed driver fault.

 

 

 

Ok.  My error. Missed the reference.  

 

1-2 drivers on a crossing is one thing, but 21 drivers on one crossing suggests poor crossing/traffic design far more than driver negligence.

But there is still way too much sadististic pleasure in blaming the victims, even if they are at fault.

 

Getting back to this. I hate crossings near intersections.   Sometimes I wonder if it would be that much of a pain (expense) to erect two additional gate mechanisms that are normally lowered perpendicular across the tracks.  That would hopefully steer people around the tracks and not onto them (use another color for them, perhaps?  Yellow and black?).  Then when the train comes, the road gates would lower and the gates across the tracks would raise.  Has to be cheaper than redesgining a whole intersection.  Yes, it would require a little maintenance. 

  

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, November 6, 2015 9:47 AM

Train squashes school bus fortunately not occupied.

This is beyond any imagination.  No one could have made this up .  Read and weep why the bus stalled.

http://www.abc15.com/news/region-central-southern-az/maricopa/pd-train-empty-school-bus-collide-in-maricopa

 

 

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Posted by CSSHEGEWISCH on Friday, November 6, 2015 9:59 AM

I would think that any commercial driver would complete their safety check before pulling out onto the road.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, November 9, 2015 3:21 PM

BNSF hits truck hauling grader locos & 20+ cars derailed. Single unit pictured appears on track and may be DPU unit

http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/breaking_and_updates/railroad-derailment-near-danville/article_0edc6f6e-2e9b-55ff-a7c5-b05b3cd30b46.html

 

 

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Posted by mudchicken on Monday, November 9, 2015 4:22 PM

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BNSF hits truck hauling grader locos & 20+ cars derailed. Single unit pictured appears on track and may be DPU unit

http://www.thehawkeye.com/news/breaking_and_updates/railroad-derailment-near-danville/article_0edc6f6e-2e9b-55ff-a7c5-b05b3cd30b46.html

 

 

 

Other news report say it was a motor grader w/o a tractor trailer involved. I'm sitting here with somebody discussing RRPP  and its high associated costs  (ie - Why insurance companies hate the risk factor around railroads, especially with the dreaded yellow machines)...

Game - Set - Match

 http://wqad.com/2015/11/09/freight-train-crash-derails-coal-cars-near-danville-iowa/ 

methinks IOWA DOT and  BNSF are about to come to blows. Scratch one contractor.

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Posted by BaltACD on Sunday, November 15, 2015 11:58 PM

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Posted by csxns on Monday, November 16, 2015 4:11 PM

Same town Amtrak hit a car think three days ago the lady went aroung the gates the train hit the back of the car she will be ok.

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, November 23, 2015 8:47 PM
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Posted by avonlea22 on Monday, November 23, 2015 10:55 PM

BaltACD

 

I lived in this area for 10 years and this intersection is a horrible, horrible design. The tracks are mere feet from a road that parallels them, and it an extremely busy interesection. I'm confused how a car can get "trapped" by a gate though. 

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 6:22 AM

avonlea22
BaltACD

I lived in this area for 10 years and this intersection is a horrible, horrible design. The tracks are mere feet from a road that parallels them, and it an extremely busy interesection. I'm confused how a car can get "trapped" by a gate though.

Personal observation - Local Highway authorities have a big tendency to make suspect highway road crossings at grade worse when they 'improve' the highways, especially highways that parallel the railroad.  When ground is needed to widen the parallel highway it is invariably taken from the railroad side of the available property, thus shortening the distance between the two, but still retaining the traffic light for the street crossing the railroad - leaving no 'safe' ground between the railroad and the stopping point for the parallel highway.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 9:25 AM

avonlea22
I'm confused how a car can get "trapped" by a gate though. 

Methinks that many folks view the gates as immovable objects, even though they are designed to give/break away.  They also don't want to scratch up their Rolls-Kanardly.

On the other hand, folks who want to get through a crossing after the gates are down never seem to have a problem getting around the gates...

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Posted by Deggesty on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:02 PM

BaltACD

 

 
avonlea22
BaltACD

I lived in this area for 10 years and this intersection is a horrible, horrible design. The tracks are mere feet from a road that parallels them, and it an extremely busy interesection. I'm confused how a car can get "trapped" by a gate though.

 

Personal observation - Local Highway authorities have a big tendency to make suspect highway road crossings at grade worse when they 'improve' the highways, especially highways that parallel the railroad.  When ground is needed to widen the parallel highway it is invariably taken from the railroad side of the available property, thus shortening the distance between the two, but still retaining the traffic light for the street crossing the railroad - leaving no 'safe' ground between the railroad and the stopping point for the parallel highway.

 

Solution? Put a light facing the oncoming traffic on the far side of the railroad to inform all traffic about to cross the track that it should stop without blocking the railroad?

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, November 24, 2015 12:21 PM

Deggesty
Solution? Put a light facing the oncoming traffic on the far side of the railroad to inform all traffic about to cross the track that it should stop without blocking the railroad?

Or, just put the traffic signal on the "other" side of the tracks and make traffic stop there.  I've seen more than a few non-railroad intersections where the stop line is well back from where you'd expect it to be.

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Wednesday, November 25, 2015 10:05 PM

Like this traffic light in Corry, Pa. (Old railroad town. Traffic light is before the first set of tracks, then you cross the second set before you reach the intersection.)

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Posted by ACY Tom on Thursday, November 26, 2015 5:05 PM

Rick, you must be crazy! The Corry scheme makes entirely too much sense to be widely adopted. Actually, I can imagine a lot of people being impatient & not understanding the reason they are being held back. How well is this working?

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Posted by ricktrains4824 on Thursday, November 26, 2015 8:58 PM

Yeah, I know... Impractical because it makes sense.

Actually, every time I am around that area, it works out pretty good. Trouble is, track side takes longer to clear, so they had to delay the other (Main st) lights, and post signs that state "opposing traffic has extended green". (It really is the same amount of time, but sit's so far back, it appears longer to those going other directions.) 

They even tied them into the crossing signals. When the gates drop, Center st goes red, Main Street gets green, but a lightup sign reads "Train Approaching. No turns." and has a no turn permitted symbol. Track side of the light has a sign that says only "Train Approaching". All four have no turn on red signs.

Fortunately for vehicular traffic (and unfortunately for railfans) there is little rail traffic on one line, (B&P Erie-Warren line, one train each way Monday-Friday) almost none on the other (WNY&P Meadville line, very infrequent, possibly 2-3 times each month) anymore. It was fun when NS ran coal drags through there though. 

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Tuesday, December 1, 2015 10:01 PM

Bad day for NS around Atlanta. 

1.  Car went around gates with video 2 children riding killed.

2.  Dump truck hit in Atlanta.no link.

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/2-children-killed-1-injured-henry-county-train-cra/npYwy/

 

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Monday, January 25, 2016 7:56 PM

This is one for the book of errors.

1.  Policeman stops car close to RR crossing tracks.

2.  Car stops too close to crossing

3.  When gate circuit starts policeman does not clear traffic.

4.  Truck either stopped on tracks behind police car or ran around gate.

5.  Truck did not clear

6.  Cop stood in front of truck instead of moving toward train

7.  Any others ? ? 

http://www.whio.com/news/news/sheriffs-cruiser-involved-in-eaton-crash/npz6Z/

 

 

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Posted by NorthWest on Monday, January 25, 2016 8:48 PM

According to the article it appears that the officer was responding to a  collision. Often people are advised not to move their vehicles in that situation as to avoid disturbing evidence if they are not in the way of any major traffic.

The officer thus had to direct traffic around the incident. He apparently motioned the truck to cross the track without heeding the crossing protection as the truck seems to cross after the gates began to come down. The truck driver didn't go through the gate in time to avoid being hit.

Wow. Just goes to show that all accidents are the result of a chain of factors.

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Posted by rrnut282 on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:35 PM

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You beat me to this one.  I saw it on Fox News.  They said the truck rolled over the deputy. 

Also, that train went by my house just a couple of hours before this 'event'.

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Posted by tree68 on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:52 PM

Rule #1 for all emergency responders:  If you are on or near the tracks, call the railroad!

They had clearly been on the scene long enough for such a call to make a difference.

The semi driver clearly demonstrated what appears to be a common misconception among drivers - that the gates are an immovable object.  He easily could have driven forward to clear the crossing.  But he stopped.

 

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Posted by Norm48327 on Tuesday, January 26, 2016 12:57 PM

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The semi driver clearly demonstrated what appears to be a common misconception among drivers - that the gates are an immovable object. He easily could have driven forward to clear the crossing. But he stopped.

And, Heaven forbid, should I ever find myself in that position the gates are going to move quickly. I know they will move, but even if I didn't I'd make them that way in a hurry. Smile

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Posted by BaltACD on Tuesday, February 9, 2016 7:20 PM

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Posted by blue streak 1 on Friday, February 19, 2016 5:25 PM

Well it happened here in our town.  A tractor trailer on state 100 slid down the street, took out the crossing gate, and collided with the second loco of a freight train.  Just found out about it but have no details.  CSX estimate of $125,000 in damages to loco.  Driver not injured. But if he had been 15 seconds sooner ? ? ?

Driver cited for not having brakes in proper adjustment and many other violations.  Understand a lien already filed by CSX. 

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Posted by MikeF90 on Wednesday, February 24, 2016 1:26 PM

The dashcam from a Minnesota State Patrol car caught a train vs truck collision:

http://www.superiortelegram.com/news/3955016-minnesota-state-patrol-releases-video-train-hitting-truck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q0obAEPT-3Y

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