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Posted by Anonymous on Saturday, June 4, 2005 8:19 PM
Let me spell it out for you, Trainluver 1. I built an 8 X 20 ft. layout with my own track plan, and my own landscaping plan. That's what I meant by using your imagination.
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Posted by davekelly on Saturday, June 4, 2005 6:29 PM
I'm sure there are folks that say "unless you operate using timetables and schedules how can you reall call that model railroading?" "Unless you model a specific prototype and time period how can you call that a model railroad?" Same with a "circle of track on a table." What if the person likes watching the train go around in a circle? What if a person love operations and does so exactly like the prototype but just hates scenery and so decides not to have any? Does he have a layout? What of the person that has totally 100 percent accurate structures and scenery but just isn't into operations and likes having his trains follow some continuous running path? Does he have a layout? Granted none of these are my idea of a layout I would want - but if their owners are happy - then it's their layout.

I think perhaps there is a miscommunication and maybe a misunderstanding between "what is a layout" and "what do I want my layout to be."

Some folks actually think that watching the grass grow is more fun that spending hours detailing and weathering a box car.

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Posted by Train 284 on Saturday, June 4, 2005 9:18 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Jetrock

A table wiht a track, transformer and train is a train set, not a model railroad. It doesn't need to be an empire, in fact a few square feet is all you need, but it's just more fun when it looks like a layout, not a bare circle of track!


I have to agree with Jetrock, if all you have is a circle of track on a table, how can you really call that a model railroad? Even though for a model railroad you just need a few square feet. It is definitly more fun putting together a model railroad, and runnuing it then just watching a 3 or 4 car train go around in a circle!
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 10:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by glcole61

A layout is a miniature world, created by imagination.


So what you're saying glcole61 is that a person doesn't have to have bench work, a track or a train, that all they need is a good imagination and wa la, instant layout ?!. Man, and I went at it the hard way and built a real one...[;)]

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 9:53 PM
A layout is a miniature world, created by imagination.
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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 3:26 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Texas Zepher

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1
I hate to tell you this Texas Zepher, but topics do get repeated once in a while here on the forum-though not always on purpose. I apologize if I've offended you by doing so.
I'll be sure and return the favor by pointing out any topic you might write as being "run into the ground" as well if I get the chance.


Yesh, lighten up, sounds like you're really stressing over this. Nothing offends me! It was a real question. I didn't remember if it was here or some other form. It ended up being a polarized discussion where there were two apparently unmovable points until some 3rd party people came in and began putting definitions to the terms people were using. As it came out almost everyone agreed on the principles but were using different terms. When some people say "layout" they are talking about their whole model railroad.

But now that you mention it, there does seem to be a sudden rash of trivial and/or redundant 'polls' and 'topics' being posted. It is like some folks just want to read what is on the first page here, ignore the rest, and others possibly just want to run up their "star rating"?!.

And actually I really like the polls. I just wish people would put a bit more thought into properly formulating the question and even more thought into proper answers.


Okay. So we'll call it a case of misunderstanding on my part, and I retract my statement, but I won't ever just sit there and take it if I feel I'm being insulted-especially in a bar after I've had several beers...[B)]

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Posted by Texas Zepher on Friday, June 3, 2005 2:50 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1
I hate to tell you this Texas Zepher, but topics do get repeated once in a while here on the forum-though not always on purpose. I apologize if I've offended you by doing so.
I'll be sure and return the favor by pointing out any topic you might write as being "run into the ground" as well if I get the chance.


Yesh, lighten up, sounds like you're really stressing over this. Nothing offends me! It was a real question. I didn't remember if it was here or some other form. It ended up being a polarized discussion where there were two apparently unmovable points until some 3rd party people came in and began putting definitions to the terms people were using. As it came out almost everyone agreed on the principles but were using different terms. When some people say "layout" they are talking about their whole model railroad.

But now that you mention it, there does seem to be a sudden rash of trivial and/or redundant 'polls' and 'topics' being posted. It is like some folks just want to read what is on the first page here, ignore the rest, and others possibly just want to run up their "star rating"?!.

And actually I really like the polls. I just wish people would put a bit more thought into properly formulating the question and even more thought into proper answers.
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Posted by vsmith on Friday, June 3, 2005 2:49 PM
Is track attached down?
Is power hooked up?
Does it run?

It does? Congradulations...you have a layout.


Now just to clarify with someother posters here....a LAYOUT is just the beginning...the bare minimum if you will, track LAYED OUT on plywood or stringers (which many never get past).

Only after all the scenery, buildings, yadda yadda yadda is added on and it can be considered substantially complete would I then change the reference and refer to it as a MODEL RAILROAD .

So while many can have a LAYOUT not all of them are MODEL RAILROADS.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 1:27 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Bergie

I look at it like this...

Ribs... you might like yours slathered in bar-b-que sauce, while some of our friends from Texas might insist that the perfect rack of ribs consists of nothing more than a hand-full of spices and time spent on the perfect smoke pit.

In the end, they're both still considered ribs.

Deep thought, isn't it? (Now I'm hungry!)

Bergie




Bergie, it's a real honor to have you reply to one of my topics...

As for the ribs. I'm from south east Texas, and almost everyone down here owns a BBQ pit including myself. And yes, we prefer the spices on our meat rather than covering it in sauce. There's nothing like the taste of good, slow cooked beef.

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Posted by Anonymous on Friday, June 3, 2005 1:16 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by Texas Zepher

QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

To some people, a layout is nothing more than a table with a track, transformer and train on it, while others have to have it all. I personally am one of those people that has to have it all or it just ain't a layout...


Technically, I believe the "layout" would be the track plan of anything with track. All model railroads would therefore have a layout, but not everything with a layout would be a model railroad.

Didn't we run this topic into the ground back in February/March?


I hate to tell you this Texas Zepher, but topics do get repeated once in a while here on the forum-though not always on purpose. I apologize if I've offended you by doing so.
I'll be sure and return the favor by pointing out any topic you might write as being "run into the ground" as well if I get the chance.

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Posted by davekelly on Friday, June 3, 2005 10:54 AM
There was a show on History Channel's "Modern Marvals" on stuff folks have in their garages. For the BBQ a president of one of the manufacturers said "One of man's greatest finds was fire - a little while later - probably that night man invented BBQ." I thought that was so very funny - and most likely true! lol.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 2, 2005 9:40 PM
My wife and I just got a new barbeque.

She barbequed Steaks tonight.

Nice!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 2, 2005 8:38 PM
Umm... i'm too young to barbeque!!! LOL!!!
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 2, 2005 5:40 PM
Why does it matter??

Who has the barbeque?
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Posted by selector on Thursday, June 2, 2005 5:35 PM
Two sawhorses and a (name removable surface) = train table.
Two sawhorses and a (name removable surface that has at least one Aggrotree) = one bit*hin layout!!!! [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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Posted by Texas Zepher on Thursday, June 2, 2005 5:23 PM
QUOTE: Originally posted by trainluver1

To some people, a layout is nothing more than a table with a track, transformer and train on it, while others have to have it all. I personally am one of those people that has to have it all or it just ain't a layout...


Technically, I believe the "layout" would be the track plan of anything with track. All model railroads would therefore have a layout, but not everything with a layout would be a model railroad.

Didn't we run this topic into the ground back in February/March?
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Posted by aloco on Thursday, June 2, 2005 4:37 PM
Something that is finished, not under construction.
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Posted by IRONROOSTER on Thursday, June 2, 2005 2:27 PM
I think if you have a permanent platform with track afixed you have a model railroad layout. You can add scenery, buildings, trains, etc. to enhance the layout . At one point in time scenery was considered by many to be an unnecessary frill, today some consider a lack of protoype operations to mean it's not a model railroad.
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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 2, 2005 2:13 PM
LOL!!! I like my ribs smothered in BBQ sauce!!! Yum! Ok, i guess if i'm on this thread, i need to answer the question. I think a layout is anything that a train can be run on. A track, power pack, and table is all you need...
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Posted by Bergie on Thursday, June 2, 2005 2:08 PM
Oh baby... party at Chuck's house! E-mail me that recipe partner!

Bergie
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Posted by cwclark on Thursday, June 2, 2005 2:05 PM
Bergie...you just gotta try my Bar-B-Qued brisket some day...8 hours of fine pit smoking using the finest mesquite and white oak woods smothered in a rich tomato/ brown sugar /beer / (and my secret herbs and spices) BB que sauce...now that's what i call a layout!...wait a minute!..we were talking about trains huh?....[:D]...chuck

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Posted by Bergie on Thursday, June 2, 2005 1:54 PM
I look at it like this...

Ribs... you might like yours slathered in bar-b-que sauce, while some of our friends from Texas might insist that the perfect rack of ribs consists of nothing more than a hand-full of spices and time spent on the perfect smoke pit.

In the end, they're both still considered ribs.

Deep thought, isn't it? (Now I'm hungry!)

Bergie

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Posted by Anonymous on Thursday, June 2, 2005 11:44 AM
Okay guys. Just to be fair we'll call the layouts that are nothing more than bench work and working tracks a work in progress because everyone's layout has to start that way. But for those that stop there and never go any farther-yet call it a layout, that kind of bothers me...

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Posted by Attaboy on Thursday, June 2, 2005 11:09 AM
I've just started building benchwork, but it is a layout. Refer to Willy's definition "final arrangement, plan, or design". Even though I have no track, no scenery and just the very beginning of the benchwork, it is still a layout. Because I have a plan. That's the beauty of the hobby, we each get to define what will be our own layout. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
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Posted by simon1966 on Thursday, June 2, 2005 10:51 AM
What is a "Layout"? This means a lot of different things to different people as can be seen from above. I would contend that a "Layout" has a degree of permanence to it. The Christmas tree loop of track is not a layout. But a simple 4 x 8 plywood board with an attatched loop of track is a layout. If the intent is to build something that will grow and develop, then it is a layout. The above mentioned 4 x 8, with painted roads and grass and a few basic plastic houses, and a paper mache hill with a tunnel, may be very rudimentary to some, but for others it would be a source of pride and joy. It is a "layout" and should not be looked down upon by others. When I was 8 years old this is what constituted my layout and I was dam proud of it as well!!

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Posted by davekelly on Thursday, June 2, 2005 10:49 AM
I can see your point, but does that mean Tony Koester's current effort is just a glorified Christmas train set since I believe he is still in the benchwork - tracklaying mode?
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Posted by willy6 on Thursday, June 2, 2005 10:47 AM
Just my [2c], according to Webster, a "layout is a final arrangement,plan or design". I considered mine a layout as soon as the benchwork was completed.
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Posted by CNJ831 on Thursday, June 2, 2005 10:28 AM
QUOTE: Originally posted by davekelly

Mister Beasley and clinchvalley, I agree 100 percent.

If it has to do with track and trains and makes the owner happy - it's a layout. I'm a little confused elsewise on where the line would be drawn and the person can say "hey, that's my layout." When the track plan is drawn? When the benchwork is done? When just the mainline is laid so that the some trains can run? When all the trackwork is done? When the configuration of the track meets some criteria for operability? When the scenery is roughed out? etc etc. Too confusing to me.


It becomes a layout in the classical sense when it begins to look like at least a rough respresentaion of reality. Before that it's simply a glorified Christmas train set..

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Posted by davekelly on Thursday, June 2, 2005 9:49 AM
Mister Beasley and clinchvalley, I agree 100 percent.

If it has to do with track and trains and makes the owner happy - it's a layout. I'm a little confused elsewise on where the line would be drawn and the person can say "hey, that's my layout." When the track plan is drawn? When the benchwork is done? When just the mainline is laid so that the some trains can run? When all the trackwork is done? When the configuration of the track meets some criteria for operability? When the scenery is roughed out? etc etc. Too confusing to me.

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