Hey all, Im in the process of buying more paint.
With all my grimy black model master gone, I was wondering which brand of grimy black people now use? Or if you simply make your own batch? I know scalecoat has grimy black but havent heard any good (or bad) things about it.
Also, can anyone explain the difference between engine black and black?
Charles
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Dark Gray auto primer in a rattle can, Krylon or Rustoleum is what I use to paint steam locomotives. Goes on dead flat, sticks to metal.
I never noticed much, if any, difference between Engine Black and just plain old Black.
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According to sources, Vallejo Model Air 71.251 is a good match for engine black and Vallejo Model Air 71.055 is a good match for grimy black.
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nvm the owner of minute man scale models responded, said engine black has a tad bit of white and oxide red pigment inside.
Trainman440 the owner of minute man scale models responded, said engine black has a tad bit of white and oxide red pigment inside.
Scalecoat also has "Detail Black" which is a very dark gray and lets more detail show up under normal lighting.
-Kevin
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You can easily make a version of grimey black by adding green paint to black paint...I often use it for the wheel faces on cars with solid bearings.
For painting steam locomotives, I use four or five versions of "black", the blackest being for the cab and sides of the tender. The boiler gets a somewhat lightened black...some white or/and grey added, Smokeboxes and fireboxes, if not done in graphite, generally get a coat of brownish-grey. The running gear is usually a dulled and lightened black, but all of the various colours will get oversprays of clear finish: a fairly high gloss for cabs and sides of tenders, a lesser gloss on the boiler, and an even flatter clear coat on the deck of the tender. The firebox and smokebox usually get a coat of clear flat, while the running gear, cylinders and front end get a coat of clear semi-gloss.
When all the painting and lettering is done, the loco and tender will get some airbrushed weathering, usually nothing too extreme.
...this one's just out of the shop...
Wayne
As I brush paint, my takes on colors might be a bit different than most other people. Airbrushing in Montana without a hood is not possible for a good chunk of the year.
My take on Engine Black is Humbrol 33 even before Model Master went out. As for Grimy black I currently use TCP (Tru-color Paint) 804. I still haven't quite gotten the hang of using non-water clean up paints for weathering by drybrushing. I have gotten pretty good at it and the TCP doesn't quite drybrush the same way that the old Polly S/Polly Scale and Model Master did at least IMHO.
Hello Wayne,
Wanted to let you know that I like the result of your idea of mixing green with black to get a "grimy" effect.
I had finished my jar of commercial grimy black so I tried mixing a commercial "pavement" color (similar to an asphalt shade of black) with straight black.....wasn't quite what I wanted so I tried your idea.....good! I suppose the ratio depends on the shade of green used. In my case my green is a commercial "new shamrock". Anyway, I started small, about 1 to 4 green to black, then proceeded to 2 to 1 green to black....a little too much. Backed off to 1 to 1 and that seems just right.
-Chuck/St. Charles, IL