Great Northern Fan 54If I were to repaint an E7 into GN, would the Bachmann one be the easiest?
$115?
That is a good bargain!
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Do you know which horn scheme sounds your unit has? Does the information sheet that came with it state it, or can you tell them apart by hearing them?
Great Northern Fan 54My E7 has arrived. And I am very pleased, it has good sound and run well. The Shell looks nice and it's easy to do work on. My only complaint is that it has Bachmann Couplers. Overall I am extremely pleased
Well, then, you dun good.
Rich
Alton Junction
Hey Charles, Sheldon,
Thanks for the additional feedback. Those prices are impressive! Good point Charles as the roadname would not matter since the carbody would receive a "bath". I've found that the simpler its paint scheme, the easier a unit is to strip. So I'd likely target either a Burlington or Milw unit.
I did a little online research and according to a modeler who owns a switcher with a Soundvalue decoder system, the horns on his decoder are: WABCO E2, Leslie A-125/A-200 combination, and Nathan P3. Didn't mention how many bells are offered. Of course, there's no gurantee that this is the selection being offered for the E7.
I"m thinking that I may be better off buying a straight DC unit and, since it's likely that it will already have the space for a speaker and be already equipped with a DCC plug connector, installing a TCS or LokSound setup.
Great Northern Fan 54, I'm looking forward to your review. Will you be posting a video and/or photos?
This is the "Split Scheme" unit that I plan on modeling.
(photo credit Mr. Warren Calloway)
Trainman440 I mean I would think the NYC and PRR scheme ones would be fairly desireable...my guess would be that Trainworld bought a significant amount more of those that they thought would be more desirable just to find out otherwise. Maybe those who wanted a PRR/NYC E7 found out how much better the Proto 2000 ones were and avoided these. Who knows! If Antonio is going to strip the paint, it shouldnt matter which paint scheme one to get. Charles
I mean I would think the NYC and PRR scheme ones would be fairly desireable...my guess would be that Trainworld bought a significant amount more of those that they thought would be more desirable just to find out otherwise.
Maybe those who wanted a PRR/NYC E7 found out how much better the Proto 2000 ones were and avoided these. Who knows!
If Antonio is going to strip the paint, it shouldnt matter which paint scheme one to get.
Charles
Well yes it is hard to know how many of each they bought. But they are sold out of CB&Q, B&O, the other PRR scheme, UP and ACL.
ACL is the one of those I would have thought to be less popular, but they may not have bought a lot of them. They likely bought a lot of PRR, NYC, CB&Q, UP and even B&O. Now its time to clear out the rest.
Sheldon
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Trainman440 Trainworld (which seems to always have the lowest prices for Bachmann products (and nothing else)) is selling the E7s with sound for $119 right now: https://www.trainworld.com/search/?q=Bachmann+E7 Good luck! Charles
Trainworld (which seems to always have the lowest prices for Bachmann products (and nothing else)) is selling the E7s with sound for $119 right now:
https://www.trainworld.com/search/?q=Bachmann+E7
Good luck!
Notice the limited selection of roadnames, only 5 of the 10 offerings, that means they are almost sold out, and that is what Trainworld does, makes their money quick in the beginning then unloads what is left. I've gotten some great buys over the years on stuff few others wanted. Like undecorated Proto FA2 sets for $60 a set years ago.
AntonioFP45 Sheldon, Thanks for your response. (for myself) PROS: A) 1.5 pounds is "brick heavy" good! B) I looked at the photos on the web link that you provided, expecting to be unimpressed. However, I have to admit that, to my eyes, they look "decent" as there are handrails next to the carbody and cab doors. C) The nose and windshield areas are better proportioned than the 1970's tooled Roco-motored Model Power E7's. (I still own 2, which will be donated soon). D) I just realized that these might have the same type of drive as my Bachmann GG1, which does run smoothly, quietly, and can pull a 10 car passenger train easily. E) Already DCC/Sound equipped. That's a VERY good one; which means that if a modeler doesn't like the Sound Value setup, switching it out for a Lok or TCS setup would be much easier than hardwiring up an LL P2K unit. CONS: a) Lack of body detailing. I like lift rings, boiler stacks and air hoses, so I'd have to break out the Pin Vise, #78 drill bits, and gel type CA. b) Sountraxx Sound Value system: No info on which specific horn schemes are offered other than that 3 horn choices. Which ones???? Hopefully the Nathan M5 and Leslie A-200 "Honker" are among the selections. c). NO UNDECS. Bummer. Of course, SCL modelers have always had fewer offerings available. So a bath in Super Clean or 91% Iso-Alcohol is the norm. LL P2K undec E-units still show up on Ebay. So (again speaking for myself) the pros outweighh the cons. Hopefully James will post a review as soon as he obtains one. So far, if the price will be as discounted as the GG1's were, I'll get one to do in an SCL "splite scheme" version.3.
Sheldon,
Thanks for your response.
(for myself) PROS:
A) 1.5 pounds is "brick heavy" good!
B) I looked at the photos on the web link that you provided, expecting to be unimpressed. However, I have to admit that, to my eyes, they look "decent" as there are handrails next to the carbody and cab doors.
C) The nose and windshield areas are better proportioned than the 1970's tooled Roco-motored Model Power E7's. (I still own 2, which will be donated soon).
D) I just realized that these might have the same type of drive as my Bachmann GG1, which does run smoothly, quietly, and can pull a 10 car passenger train easily.
E) Already DCC/Sound equipped. That's a VERY good one; which means that if a modeler doesn't like the Sound Value setup, switching it out for a Lok or TCS setup would be much easier than hardwiring up an LL P2K unit.
CONS:
a) Lack of body detailing. I like lift rings, boiler stacks and air hoses, so I'd have to break out the Pin Vise, #78 drill bits, and gel type CA.
b) Sountraxx Sound Value system: No info on which specific horn schemes are offered other than that 3 horn choices. Which ones???? Hopefully the Nathan M5 and Leslie A-200 "Honker" are among the selections.
c). NO UNDECS. Bummer. Of course, SCL modelers have always had fewer offerings available. So a bath in Super Clean or 91% Iso-Alcohol is the norm. LL P2K undec E-units still show up on Ebay.
So (again speaking for myself) the pros outweighh the cons.
Hopefully James will post a review as soon as he obtains one. So far, if the price will be as discounted as the GG1's were, I'll get one to do in an SCL "splite scheme" version.3.
The highest street prices I have seen are the onesa I quoted earlier in this thread, $180 for the sound model, $80 for the DC model.
A local brick and mortar store near me that sells lots of Bachmann has the sound versions for $160, DC for $70. I see a few on Ebay for a little less.
a) Lack of body detailing. I like lift rings, boiler stacks and air hoses, so I'd have to break out the Pin Vise, #78 drill bits, and gel-type CA.
b) Sountraxx Sound Value system: No info on which specific horn schemes are offered other than that 3 horn choices. Which ones???? Hopefully the Nathan M5 and Leslie A-200 "Honker" horn sounds are among the selections.
Overall (again speaking for myself) the pros outweighh the cons.
Hopefully James will post a review as soon as he obtains one. So far, "IF" the price will be as discounted as the GG1's were, I'll get one to do in an SCL "split scheme" version.
I'm also keeping my eyes open for Undec Walthers and BLI E7's on the bay. I regret passing up the few I've seen in the past several years.
Great Northern Fan 54Does Bachmann offer undecorated examples?
No.
Have you looked at the Bachmann web site?
https://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=258_288_1020&zenid=0sd61l1kkhma06svbu8p63hc64
AntonioFP45 Ok, I've stated before that I have a fleet of LL P2K E-units that I'm converting to the SCL scheme and updating with DCC/Sound. My questions are: 1. How do the drives between the Bachmann E7 and the 1990's-early 2000's production P2K E-unts compare? 2. Are the Bach's just as heavy a the LL P2K versions? 3. Are they quiet, smooth runners?
Ok,
I've stated before that I have a fleet of LL P2K E-units that I'm converting to the SCL scheme and updating with DCC/Sound.
My questions are:
1. How do the drives between the Bachmann E7 and the 1990's-early 2000's production P2K E-unts compare?
2. Are the Bach's just as heavy a the LL P2K versions?
3. Are they quiet, smooth runners?
By all accounts the drive in the Bachmann loco is pretty nice, weighs 1.5 lbs, smooth and quiet. Exceptional pulling power similar to the Proto.
I have seen them in person but not seen them run. Shell is not bad but lacks pilot detail, cut levers, etc. Lacks some of the finer detail of the Proto model.
Only model offered is the E7A, with several headlight and number board configurations.
Limited feature sound decoder like other Bachmann sound and value locos, and DC versions.
The biggest limitation is the selection of roadnames are not available in both DC and DCC - some road names are DCC/sound, others only available DC.
A review of the parts/instruction sheets shows a typical gear tower and drive like the Proto.
Come on crew, as an E-unit fan I'm certainly interested in a productive discussion.
Great Northern Fan 54This discussion is going very poorly
Lol most threads with more than 30 replies basically end up like this, dont bother trying to fix it.
n012944 ATLANTIC CENTRAL AND, just because they choose to target parts of the market that don't include your needs, or my needs, that does not make their products less valueable to the hobby. No one said that they are. I said it was not for me, and the price was a deal breaker. The price they are going for on eBay is a deal breaker. I find it ironic that you are quick to complain about a manufacture only offering a product that comes with DCC and sound, but yet take such offense to be saying a model is too generic for the price point. ATLANTIC CENTRAL And, I drive domestic cars, and have gotten very good service out of them going all the way back to one of these: Great. If you look at my avatar you can see I also have a domestic, I can assure you that Dodge did not have much of a discount on that car. That being said, that is the only domestic car in my house, and has been for 15 years. Since this isn't the Car and Driver forum, I will not get into why. ATLANTIC CENTRAL And, lastly, I'm not an expensive model collector. No one said you were. You called me that in another thread. I found so much humor in it, that I added it to my profile here. Since you hinted that I am an "elitist" in this thread, I might have to update my profile.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL AND, just because they choose to target parts of the market that don't include your needs, or my needs, that does not make their products less valueable to the hobby.
AND, just because they choose to target parts of the market that don't include your needs, or my needs, that does not make their products less valueable to the hobby.
No one said that they are. I said it was not for me, and the price was a deal breaker. The price they are going for on eBay is a deal breaker. I find it ironic that you are quick to complain about a manufacture only offering a product that comes with DCC and sound, but yet take such offense to be saying a model is too generic for the price point.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL And, I drive domestic cars, and have gotten very good service out of them going all the way back to one of these:
And, I drive domestic cars, and have gotten very good service out of them going all the way back to one of these:
Great. If you look at my avatar you can see I also have a domestic, I can assure you that Dodge did not have much of a discount on that car. That being said, that is the only domestic car in my house, and has been for 15 years. Since this isn't the Car and Driver forum, I will not get into why.
ATLANTIC CENTRAL And, lastly, I'm not an expensive model collector.
And, lastly, I'm not an expensive model collector.
No one said you were. You called me that in another thread. I found so much humor in it, that I added it to my profile here. Since you hinted that I am an "elitist" in this thread, I might have to update my profile.
And again, I never called you any such thing. In that thread YOU felt I should put a dollar value on my time. I answered as to why I did not feel that applied and described what I am not - I never assigned that label to you or anyone in that conversation.
I took no exception to your reasons for buying better models, in fact I said I do the same thing for similar reasons in some cases.
You just seem to be looking for a disagreement.
richhotrain Great Northern Fan 54 Anyone know what's the minimum radius for the E7? I can't say for sure what the minimum radius would be, but I have run Proto 200 E7s and BLI E7s on 22" radius curves with no problems. Rich
Great Northern Fan 54 Anyone know what's the minimum radius for the E7?
I can't say for sure what the minimum radius would be, but I have run Proto 200 E7s and BLI E7s on 22" radius curves with no problems.
Yes, easily 22" radius, maybe even 18" radius.
Great Northern Fan 54Anyone know what's the minimum radius for the E7?