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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:43 PM

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I had to use a vice to push the axles on to the gears.

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The first time I made this repair I was quite surprised by how hard it was to press the wheels onto the gears.

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I used a fine thread c-clamp to press them on.

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I do not think there is any chance of the wheels slipping. The press fit is very firm.

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Posted by Harrison on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 4:08 PM

I had a P2K GP7 with this problem, the gears were pretty cheap, and the fix was really easy, just make sure the wheels are in gauge. I had to use a vice to push the axles on to the gears. I followed this bloggers instructions

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:28 PM

I buy the complete wheel set, with the gears.  That way you'll get the nickel silver wheels.

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Posted by Spalato68 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 2:05 PM

Ok, thanks for the suggestion.

It makes sense, because axles / gears are available and will be for some time in the future, so it is not that urgent. If cracked, I think it is better to buy the whole wheelset than just gears, it is available from Walthers, as AntonioFP45 mentioned earlier (price difference is not significant - around 15 USD for 6 wheels, approximately 9 USD for 6 gears). 

If Randy did not point out that these are a "bargain" (I agree!), I even would not think about buying them. But then I checked what is available,  and saw these two...uh. Big Smile

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Posted by mbinsewi on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:51 PM

Spalato68
My question: should I buy gears now, or wait until I have both locomotive

Check the axles when you get the locos delivered, it's easy enough to do. 

I have an E7, and I haven't had any problems, BUT on a GP18, I did.  I've had this issue with certain runs of Athearn SD45 and SDP40's

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 1:30 PM

My E units did not have the problems, in fact, only one GP7 had cracked gears in my collection.

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Test run it, if it runs fine, do not do anything.

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Posted by Spalato68 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 12:45 PM

Hi everybody.

I just bought PROTO 2000 HO SCALE #8101/8199 E8/9 SOUTHERN PACIFIC #6051/6052 on ebay. 

My question: should I buy gears now, or wait until I have both locomotives (in Summer, when my cousin is here for vacation) and be able to check them? If yes, which? 

I could not resist, I really admire a lot these beautiful locomotives, so I decided to buy them. I have the whole train for them (MTH). I am sure cracked gears issue can be solved...

Regards,

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Posted by SeeYou190 on Wednesday, March 27, 2019 5:53 AM

Also, Athearn now sells full axle assemblies with nice wheels and really well made bearings that will make the repair even easier.

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I love my Life Like Proto 2000 locomotives. If I needed more, I would not hesitate.

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Posted by Autonerd on Tuesday, March 26, 2019 9:39 PM

I have to throw in my $0.02 -- don't let the possibility of cracked gears steer you away from these locomotives. It's a cheap an easy fix and everything else about the LL-era P2ks, from their detail to their running characteristics, is excellent. 

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Posted by troll on Sunday, March 24, 2019 8:48 AM
I have used the stock athearn replacement gears #ATH60024 on all my P2K no prob
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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Friday, July 13, 2018 1:42 PM

For LL P2K E-unit owners, you'll see the part number and price on this link:

https://www.walthers.com/replacement-geared-diesel-wheelsets-fits-early-proto-2000-r-e6-7-8-9-pkg-3?ref=1

Like the 4-axle version, they're due to be in stock this September. The price is msrp, so it's possible that other online dealers will offer them at a discounted price.

From my understanding, these sets are better in quality than the stock versions that the LL P2K's came factory equipped with.

"I like my Pullman Standards & Budds in Stainless Steel flavors, thank you!"

 


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Posted by richhotrain on Friday, July 13, 2018 4:47 AM

As others have said, the cracked gear problem is an easy fix. And, yes, the cracked gear is visible to the naked eye. The problem seemed to be that the metal axle was slightly bigger than the opening in the gear and, as a result, split the gear. The problem manifests itself by a thumping and grinding of the wheelset as the faulty loco travels down the track. What you can't see, you can hear.

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Posted by Graham Line on Friday, July 13, 2018 12:26 AM

Sometimes the crack is visible, sometimes not. If you hear a thumping sound that varies with the speed of the engine, you have at least one cracked gear. If the gear on the axle can be spun with light finger-tip pressure, you have a cracked gear. The replacement part for Geeps (2-axle power trucks) is Athearn #60024.

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Thursday, July 12, 2018 5:00 PM

Hi Andrew!

Thanks. I've communicated with other P2K owners that have stated similar experiences and sentiments. Just a little proactive maintenance pays off nicely! Like you, my favorite P2K's are the E-units. It sounds funny but I often refer to them as BRICKS! They're heavy and can outpull some of my Athearn 6-axle units. Although I normally don't push them, they can easily hit a scale 90+mph.

I'm grateful to LifeLike for willing to provide E-units in a variety of southeastern roads: ACL, FEC, L&N, RF&P, SAL. (Just wish they had done SCL, but beggars can't always be choosers).

The lead unit here is an ACL E8, but I plan on re-decaling it into SCL. Once done, It will be lightly weathered. The unit behind it is an ACL E6.

My RF&P E8

For DCC Sound modelers, the "Cool Factor" with the E-units is that the dummy B-units have A LOT of space for robust speakers, which can result in crystal clear sound at low volume for a properly installed and baffled system. 

Soundrew

I'm with you 100% on the proactive cleaning and lubricating Antonio. Of the twenty plus diesels in my layout, my Proto E7 is my absolute fave. It pulls relentlessly and can run at a snail's pace- all as quiet as can be. Of my half dozen Protos, I've only had one with cracked gears and, as you and others have said, it's a cheap and easy fix. I keep spares on hand though and have tuned my ears to recognize the tell tale clunking sound. 

 

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Posted by dh28473 on Tuesday, July 3, 2018 9:20 AM
Can you see the cracked gear with your eyes?
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Posted by Soundrew on Tuesday, July 3, 2018 12:19 AM

I'm with you 100% on the proactive cleaning and lubricating Antonio. Of the twenty plus diesels in my layout, my Proto E7 is my absolute fave. It pulls relentlessly and can run at a snail's pace- all as quiet as can be. Of my half dozen Protos, I've only had one with cracked gears and, as you and others have said, it's a cheap and easy fix. I keep spares on hand though and have tuned my ears to recognize the tell tale clunking sound. 

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Posted by bogp40 on Wednesday, June 27, 2018 6:11 PM

ATLANTIC CENTRAL

No, you cannot glue nylon/delrin plastics.

Sheldon

 

So true, even if you could glue a solid joint, the plastic has shrunk and the gears will never mesh properly. It is a very inexpensive and simple repair, just replace the axle/ gear assy. Bottom truck cover come off in a minute, check wheel gauge and reinstall- done! Then enjoy the great running of these engines for many years.

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Posted by mbinsewi on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 4:06 PM

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I have Athearn BB locos that I have found to have cracked axel gears.Sigh

Yep, I've found a few.  Mostly SDP40's, FP45's and some SD45's.  I think they all came out about the same time.

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Posted by AntonioFP45 on Tuesday, June 26, 2018 3:59 PM

Good discussion,

One plus that's not mentioned is that the Athearn replacement gears are better in quality and more duable than the versions produced years back. So they should give you many "scale miles" of trouble-free performance.

I would like to, respectfully, add that it's a good (headache saving) practice to go ahead and check your locomotive's lubrication if you are replacing the gears.

Years back I hastily replaced the gears in one of my P2K units and did nothing else to it. On the track again, it did not run smoothly.  After taking it apart, I discovered that there was dried grease in the trucks.  The Geep was "new-in-the-box" but, apparently, sat on the vendor's shelf for some years. 

I learned my lesson and now take the step of disassembling the trucks. A dampened cotton cloth with 70% alcohol works well. A Microbrush, toothpick, or toothbrush helps to remove gunk between gear teeth. Once cleaned, a tiny drop of Labelle #106 works nicely.

This video (link below,) imho, is EXCELLENT regarding the cleaning of trucks. Worth watching, the narrators are straight-forward and to the point. The powered trucks featured are Athearn, but as we know many of our older-run P2K units use Athearn-cloned mechanisms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YINsBLGM330

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Posted by PC101 on Sunday, June 24, 2018 11:05 PM

Do not think that only the P2K's axel gears will crack. I have Athearn BB locos that I have found to have cracked axel gears.Sigh

If I find a P2K loco at a Train Show, I expect the axel gears to be cracked and use that as a price nogatiating point.

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Posted by arbe1948 on Saturday, June 23, 2018 8:34 PM

I believe Athearn part #60024 is what you want.  Easily found on Ebayif a local hobby shop doesn't stock.

 

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Posted by dh28473 on Saturday, June 23, 2018 8:25 PM
The athearn axels are they of any type of loco or can any fit?
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Posted by Harrison on Saturday, June 23, 2018 11:08 AM

I had a P2K GP7 that was stalling erratically. I discovered all for of the axle gears were cracked. I replaced them with athearn axles and it ran just fine. I did have to use a vice to press them on. 

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Posted by ATLANTIC CENTRAL on Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:18 AM

No, you cannot glue nylon/delrin plastics.

Sheldon

    

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Posted by dh28473 on Saturday, June 23, 2018 10:01 AM
Can the cracked gears be fixed with a little glue?
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Posted by BigDaddy on Saturday, June 23, 2018 7:59 AM

You are lucky to have a well stocked LHS. 

For those that might be interested in pre-installed DCC, I got an ad from Trainworld today.  Fox Valley loksound DCC GP-60 $160 for Santa Fe, NS, Southern Pacific, BNSF and a war bonnet Santa Fe B unit for $120. Two different road numbers for each of the A units.

 

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Posted by alcofanschdy on Friday, June 22, 2018 7:46 PM

I decided to go for it and got the GP 60 I had my eye on.  My LHS said they thought this one came out on a later run when the gear problem was fixed but they do stock the replacement gears and wheelsets if I need them.  I have two proto 1000 RS2's that i had to replace the gears on so I know what it is all about.  The GP 60 is a beautiful loco and runs well. Got it at a great price too.  Life is good.  

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Posted by nealknows on Friday, June 22, 2018 8:30 AM

I have GP60's, GP38-2's and other Proto 2000 engines and they all run well. Like others say, don't let that fear hold you up. If you think about it, it can happen to almost any engine out there for an unknown reason. 

Come to think of it, I need to go to Evil Bay to see if they have any more GP60 engines available.. Need two more..

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Posted by rrinker on Friday, June 22, 2018 7:42 AM

 And witht he Athearn gears they woon't crack again, at least two of mine that have run up many hours of continuous running pulling heavy trains at club shows have shown no signs of any issues. I do nothing except periodically clean the wheels and redo lubrication with appropriate plastic-compatible oil and grease and they chug on much like their prototypes. One of those had a cracked gear right out of the box, the other was fine but I replaced them anyway so I wouldn;t have to later.

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